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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2024 12:51:10 GMT
How much of this stuff influences the game writers? Well, I recall one of them did say they consulted the Wiki when they weren't sure about something and I was a bit taken aback because I sometimes question the Wiki entries and I would have thought the writers would have their own master reference book to consult but there you go. The World of Thedas books had numerous inconsistencies and contradictions in them despite it being claimed they were checked meticulously. Nevertheless, there may be the odd underlying premise that informs the lore of the Copse Watchers. I've pointed out on the Crazy Theory thread that there is a similarity between the binding ritual used here and that used by Malcolm Hawke in Legacy to bind the demons that seal Corypheus' prison. Then the emphasis on using "true names" really made me sit up and take notice because of the story in Tevinter Nights concerning Rasaan searching for Solas' true name. If the companions featured there had already been decided upon when they were written, surely other details might also be connected with the plot in the game. Ever since reading that bit about Rasaan I've been asking if it was significant and on its own it was debatable but link it back to the Corpse Watchers and now I'm more convinced that it might be. I can't remember where you would find it now but I'm fairly certain around the time Tevinter Nights came out PW did hint there might be some clues in there related to the plot of the next game. Naturally we tended to focus on the story actually featuring Solas but in view of the admission about the companions, that does widen out the scope for what hints might be there in other stories. I do wonder if the Qunari are going to feature in a big way in the story but they are being careful to keep this under wraps. They have been very conspicuous by their absence from any promotional material since late 2022 and the comic series the Missing in early 2023. Yet they featured heavily in Trespasser, several of the stories in Tevinter Nights and other associated media. I think we should be prepared for a big surprise. Remember this bit of concept art? Actually this was my first thought on seeing the big horned skeleton in the trailer recently. A long dead ancestor of the Qunari perhaps? However, the giant warrior in this concept art looks very much alive.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 2, 2024 19:08:45 GMT
Oh I'm totally on board for exploring this new take on possession. I did wonder if we might get a quote a bit like Merrill's: "He's quite a nice demon really," delivered by Lucanis in sardonic manner that has you creased up in laughter. It's just as well Iron Bull isn't one of our companions as it would likely totally freak him out but I wonder how the other companions will deal with it. He apparently gets on well with Bellara, bonding over cooking the dinner, but do you suppose she knows his secret? Perhaps it wouldn't phase her too much, given her interest in the Fade, and the same can probably be said for Emmrich. "Have you met my skeleton servant, Manfred?" Harding has met Cole, so it might not bother her too much. Neve has probably encountered a lot of weird stuff in her time, so perhaps she'll just be cautious. Same with Davrin but I wonder how Assan will react? Animals can be very sensitive to such things, so if Assan was cool with him that would be reassuring. Then there is Taash. She's apparently seen a fair bit and specialises in killing dragons, plus she breathes fire herself, so probably fairly chilled with it. I still think the person whose reaction I will be most interested in is Solas. That could be revealing with respect to them both, although knowing Solas he will likely equivocate about giving a straight answer unless it suits him to do so. If he warns that Lucanis is dangerous (like he did with the Executor) would you take that at face value or see it as an endorsement for trusting Lucanis all the more? I wouldn’t trust Solas with an old pair of socks. “Rook, I don’t think you should trust this person” - I will laugh in his face. The nerve of this b*tch! 😂
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 4, 2024 16:58:27 GMT
New information. Not a big spoiler, just something about how he appeared in the latest rogue build demo that may give some indication of how he develops during the game. The latest game play video for a rogue duelist at Level 20 showed Lucanis with an item called a Corvus cloak, which was purple rather than black and no eyes. (Well not totally as I think it has eyes as the detail holding it on his shoulder), apparently overlaying a thick black leather laid like feathers (although they don't obviously look like feathers and the colour still looked like muted purple to me). Anyway, apparently it would seem we can achieve what Illario couldn't and get him to abandon black as his sole colour scheme. Not sure if the purple would be because that is the colour of the Veilguard (it did seem to have the V on the back*) or purple is his other go to colour to match his wings. He still looked rather dashing in it.
*I think his screen shot also seemed to indicate he had become an agent of the Veilguard as it showed a similar symbol to the one Neve had in the companion selection shot in the Warrior demo. So perhaps he changes his costume once you have him fully on board as a member of your team.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 5, 2024 17:22:36 GMT
Once again for those that are interested and don't mind a little spoiler information. One of the podcasts analysing the latest rogue game play and progression video, they mentioned about Lucanis and that you can see his full skill tree briefly. They mentioned how some paths have a red X suggesting they are no longer accessible, which suggests that there must be differing ways of resolving his recruitment or personal quest, perhaps, that gives him differing ability paths as a result. I also noted that some paths have a strange looking eye symbol that also appears above the V on his main screen. Perhaps that has something to do with his spirit/demon and how his relationship with it has been managed.
Also I noted there is a meter on his main screen labeled Contract Killer. Davrin also had one labeled Monster Hunter, whilst Neve had Minrathous Contacts. So, it would seem to be something that relates to his professional life and perhaps the meter advances every time he completes a contract, I'm guessing with your help but may be not. Anyway, presumably that is important and once the meter is full it unlocks a new pathway giving access to additional abilities or makes him more effective in battle. I wonder if they are going to explain this before the game comes out.
I also noted that there is a locked path with a big V over it. Don't know how that is unlocked but since he already had his Corvus cloak it cannot be related to that.
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Post by asen0311 on Sept 5, 2024 17:34:30 GMT
Once again for those that are interested and don't mind a little spoiler information. One of the podcasts analysing the latest rogue game play and progression video, they mentioned about Lucanis and that you can see his full skill tree briefly. They mentioned how some paths have a red X suggesting they are no longer accessible, which suggests that there must be differing ways of resolving his recruitment or personal quest, perhaps, that gives him differing ability paths as a result. I also noted that some paths have a strange looking eye symbol that also appears above the V on his main screen. Perhaps that has something to do with his spirit/demon and how his relationship with it has been managed.
Also I noted there is a meter on his main screen labeled Contract Killer. Davrin also had one labeled Monster Hunter, whilst Neve had Minrathous Contacts. So, it would seem to be something that relates to his professional life and perhaps the meter advances every time he completes a contract, I'm guessing with your help but may be not. Anyway, presumably that is important and once the meter is full it unlocks a new pathway giving access to additional abilities or makes him more effective in battle. I wonder if they are going to explain this before the game comes out.
I also noted that there is a locked path with a big V over it. Don't know how that is unlocked but since he already had his Corvus cloak it cannot be related to that. Ah I *was* wondering if that was a different meter than the companion "friendship" levels they had shown previously because it seems like a different thing. Here's hoping.
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Post by tarka33 on Sept 5, 2024 20:19:32 GMT
Does anyone else wonder/suspect/(dread?) if you cannot romance Lucanis if you’re a mage? He is a mage killer, that’s got to be awkward! 😆
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Post by fraggle on Sept 5, 2024 20:47:09 GMT
I don't think (hope) this will be a problem. I love to crack such tough nuts I romanced Fenris with a mage It's so rewarding when it works out. Plus, maaaaybe it's all about Lucanis hating the evil mages, especially Venatori. But let's see, I really can't wait to find out more about the companions (all of them, not just Lucanis ).
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Post by sageoflife on Sept 6, 2024 4:31:21 GMT
Does anyone else wonder/suspect/(dread?) if you cannot romance Lucanis if you’re a mage? He is a mage killer, that’s got to be awkward! 😆 That would be a very strange restriction since they're going the all-bi/pan route, and considering a mage can romance Fenris...
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 7:23:45 GMT
Does anyone else wonder/suspect/(dread?) if you cannot romance Lucanis if you’re a mage? He is a mage killer, that’s got to be awkward! 😆 No, he hates a particular type of racist blood mage. Now do you see why Rook couldn't be a blood mage? That was the problem in DA2 when you could romance both Anders and Fenris as a blood mage. Anders gave Merrill a hard time over her use of blood magic but doesn't have a problem with Hawke? As for Fenris, that should have been a complete turn off for him but again, so far as I am aware, he never even references it. It's not as though it is something where it wasn't obvious you were using it. Clearly, he isn't prejudiced against mages generally. He apparently bonds really well with Bellara even though they are from completely different backgrounds and she is a mage. Perhaps Lucanis is a bit more nuanced than Fenris was so he doesn't come across as a total jerk when it comes to mages. He is called a mage killer because he is an expert at killing mages. That's why he took contracts in Tevinter. It's his professional resume. He kills mages because that is his job. If you don't have a problem with it, why should he?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 7:37:04 GMT
There was some more information about Lucanis in the latest companion video by IGN. Corinne says that Lucanis is the one who undergoes the biggest transformation in DAV. He has had a lot of trauma in his life prior to meeting Rook. However, he does have a heart. I assume it is just buried deep.
She emphasised that with all the companions it is a matter of getting to know them, being interested in finding out more and then understanding how best to deal with them. That sounds really good to me. A far cry from hitting on them the moment we meet (at least I hope that is what she meant). She also reiterated the fact that the bond you form can either be romantic or platonic. So, that does sound as though you can be devoted friends, soul mates without the sex, if you wish. Presumably you just don't get the intimate undressed part. From everything I have seen revealed in the latest IGN videos I am really hopeful that our relationship with Lucanis is going to be awesome.
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Post by jupitermoon on Sept 6, 2024 12:16:15 GMT
There was some more information about Lucanis in the latest companion video by IGN. Corinne says that Lucanis is the one who undergoes the biggest transformation in DAV. He has had a lot of trauma in his life prior to meeting Rook. However, he does have a heart. I assume it is just buried deep.
She emphasised that with all the companions it is a matter of getting to know them, being interested in finding out more and then understanding how best to deal with them. That sounds really good to me. A far cry from hitting on them the moment we meet (at least I hope that is what she meant). She also reiterated the fact that the bond you form can either be romantic or platonic. So, that does sound as though you can be devoted friends, soul mates without the sex, if you wish. Presumably you just don't get the intimate undressed part. From everything I have seen revealed in the latest IGN videos I am really hopeful that our relationship with Lucanis is going to be awesome. I skimmed through that article with my hands partially over my eyes since I have been successfully avoiding story spoilers for the most part. But from what I understood in that very short blurb on Lucanis, the dev said that he had undergone the most changes *during development* of all the companions. Which gives me a little pause. Hopefully his story had been nailed down long enough to be deep and engaging.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 12:42:24 GMT
But from what I understood in that very short blurb on Lucanis, the dev said that he had undergone the most changes *during development* of all the companions. Which gives me a little pause. Yes, that did give pause for thought too. It may be that if we think something doesn't seem to chime with Tevinter Nights it is because they have altered him since it was written. However, I'm trying to remain positive and hope that if they did make any subsequent changes they made him better as a result. It is even possible they made some changes to all the companions since they were first written when it comes to the sexual orientation. Mary Kirby said she wrote Lucanis as a bisexual dumpster fire. That seems odd considering they have stated that all companions are pansexual, although it would fit with what Zevran told us of Crow training which requires them to be flexible when it comes to such matters even if their own personal preference was for one sex in particular, as was the case with him. I think that possibly Lucanis is going to be harder work than some of the other companions to really get to the bottom of him, which is okay by me as that is part of what I find attractive about him. If it takes persistence to get him to finally open up to Rook then I will find that rewarding, particularly when I know that some players may not bother sticking with it. I will refer back to Jack in ME2. I recall that apparently you could just push for a physical relationship early on but it might never be more than that as a result. However, I held off, trying to get to know her first and didn't actually commit fully until after the suicide mission because that Shepard didn't want to compromise his decision making during the mission through his personal feelings clouding the issue (as had happened in ME1 on Virmire). I was really amazed how Jack opened up and really showed a vulnerable side as a result. That's what I'm hoping for with Lucanis.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 17:28:46 GMT
There was some more information about Lucanis in the latest companion video by IGN. Corinne says that Lucanis is the one who undergoes the biggest transformation in DAV. He has had a lot of trauma in his life prior to meeting Rook. However, he does have a heart. I assume it is just buried deep.
She emphasised that with all the companions it is a matter of getting to know them, being interested in finding out more and then understanding how best to deal with them. That sounds really good to me. A far cry from hitting on them the moment we meet (at least I hope that is what she meant). She also reiterated the fact that the bond you form can either be romantic or platonic. So, that does sound as though you can be devoted friends, soul mates without the sex, if you wish. Presumably you just don't get the intimate undressed part. From everything I have seen revealed in the latest IGN videos I am really hopeful that our relationship with Lucanis is going to be awesome. I skimmed through that article with my hands partially over my eyes since I have been successfully avoiding story spoilers for the most part. But from what I understood in that very short blurb on Lucanis, the dev said that he had undergone the most changes *during development* of all the companions. Which gives me a little pause. Hopefully his story had been nailed down long enough to be deep and engaging. As someone who writes her own stories I am continually surprised by people being worried when they hear that the character got work and reworked That doesn't mean anything bad - if anything, they didn't just handwave his storyline. But yeah, I didn't catch anything about undergoing the biggest transformation in DAV?? Just that Lucanis is the character who underwent most changes during development, because he's very complex, which is why they had to work extra-hard to, and I quote, 'cover all the facets of the character'.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 17:41:30 GMT
But yeah, I didn't catch anything about undergoing the biggest transformation in DAV?? The fact they had to work hard to cover all the facets and said how complex he was suggested he has depths to him that require a good deal of work on the part of Rook to uncover them. The others sounded more straight forward to me. Obviously they have a private side to them. For example, Corinne said how Taash was tough on the outside but soft underneath but she stressed how Lucanis has trust issues, which is hardly surprising given his background and line of work. To get him in particular to open up and trust Rook, even more to give them his loyalty and love, I think will be quite an achievement.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 17:53:12 GMT
But yeah, I didn't catch anything about undergoing the biggest transformation in DAV?? The fact they had to work hard to cover all the facets and said how complex he was suggested he has depths to him that require a good deal of work on the part of Rook to uncover them. The others sounded more straight forward to me. Obviously they have a private side to them. For example, Corinne said how Taash was tough on the outside but soft underneath but she stressed how Lucanis has trust issues, which is hardly surprising given his background and line of work. To get him in particular to open up and trust Rook, even more to give them his loyalty and love, I think will be quite an achievement. While I don't disagree with that take, I do have to mention that it isn't necessarily the case - with complex characters like that* it's important for all their facets to get across the story, otherwise this complexity may elude the audience and they may more easily misinterpret the character or his intentions. We see this quite often with very complex characters, even those whose story was well-executed. Solas is a good example. Or Astarion from BG3. *(ones that are also quite contentious - the guy's a professional killer after all, and it's quite likely that there were not just racist blood mages on his hit list)
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 7, 2024 7:53:57 GMT
*(ones that are also quite contentious - the guy's a professional killer after all, and it's quite likely that there were not just racist blood mages on his hit list) I've highlighted under spoilers the fact that each character appears to have a meter showing how many jobs related to their profession they have accomplished. Not sure what that is going to entail but Lucanis is labelled as a Contract Killer. Now so long as the contracts are only on Venatori then no problem but what if they aren't?
I haven't forgotten the War Table mission I was given for choosing to specialise as an assassin. When Dorian queried this, I pointed out that it would give me some useful skills (and it was taught by a Dalish which was appropriate to my Lavellan). Then the War Table mission for some noblewoman where she had been betrothed to another wealthier noble from birth, but her true love was a common soldier. She was impoverished so if we arranged the assassination before the marriage, she could have her lover but remain poor, if we waited until after the wedding then she could have her lover and the money, or I could refuse to get involved. I was appalled at the idea that I should misuse my power in that way and agreed with Cullen that she could deal with her own problems as it didn't fall within our remit no matter how much she might pray to the Maker.
I suppose they might spring something like that on us among Lucanis' contracts.
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Post by jediguardian on Sept 7, 2024 8:06:41 GMT
Someone on the internet start to pair Lucanis with Emmrich after they saw companion trailer
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Post by Felya87 on Sept 7, 2024 9:16:55 GMT
I'm already seeing around the crowd that feel the need to tell others the "right rook" to romance characters. Of course I always end up seeing the "that character is gay coded-you're an homophobe if you romance him with a woman" It happen with other gender/sexualities, but I see this one much more, expecially since Bg3.
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Post by MeadKnight on Sept 7, 2024 9:40:23 GMT
Someone on the internet start to pair Lucanis with Emmrich after they saw companion trailer I mean... They are eyeing each other up quite a bit lol
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Post by colfoley on Sept 7, 2024 9:48:20 GMT
I'm already seeing around the crowd that feel the need to tell others the "right rook" to romance characters. Of course I always end up seeing the "that character is gay coded-you're an homophobe if you romance him with a woman" It happen with other gender/sexualities, but I see this one much more, expecially since Bg3. happened with DA2 and Anders.
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Post by Felya87 on Sept 7, 2024 9:52:05 GMT
I'm already seeing around the crowd that feel the need to tell others the "right rook" to romance characters. Of course I always end up seeing the "that character is gay coded-you're an homophobe if you romance him with a woman" It happen with other gender/sexualities, but I see this one much more, expecially since Bg3. happened with DA2 and Anders. I wasn't much on the internet at the time, but I believe it. It feel like there is group of "jelous/misoginistic" fan that hate to see women get something.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 7, 2024 10:00:01 GMT
I mean... They are eyeing each other up quite a bit lol Seriously?! Emmrich was giving his take on the murals in the Lighthouse and had the attention of both Bellara and Lucanis. Then Lucanis makes a suggestion, which puts attention onto him, so Emmrich turns his head to look at him and would appear to react surprised he would say that. That's it. Emmrich is said to be a gentleman. That means you are courteous and give other people your full attention when they are speaking. Lucanis is an assassin where it pays to give full attention to other speakers in case you learn something to your advantage or perceive a threat. How is that supposed to be eyeing each other up romantically?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 7, 2024 10:13:55 GMT
happened with DA2 and Anders. This was based on the fact that you only discover Karl was his lover if you romance him as a guy. I thought that was a bit weird. Why wouldn't he tell a female Hawke of his past relationship? However, some people seemed to take objection to the fact that his preference wasn't respected, which was hilarious considering in DAA he was constantly going on about the attractiveness of women and never mentioned men at all. In fact he even said something how his dream was to settle down with a good woman (or something like that) because when I tried the version with the Orlesian Warden I had her point out that the good woman was standing right there. Perhaps he was over compensating or something. We had the whole thing with Dorian and Iron Bull and people saying they wouldn't romance either of them because they didn't want to get in the way of such a beautiful relationship, when I seem to recall even DW said it was a bit messed up if Bull was still in the Qun and that was before what happened in Trespasser. But boy were the writers pushing the relationship if he went Tal'Vashoth. Way more screen time devoted to their relationship in the epilogue than the one between Dorian and the Inquisitor. I was more miffed about that. Now I've seen people suggesting we should steer clear of Harding and Taash for the same reason! At this rate, if everyone hooks up with someone else and that puts them off limits, Rook is really going to have a difficult time romancing anyone.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 7, 2024 10:27:11 GMT
happened with DA2 and Anders. This was based on the fact that you only discover Karl was his lover if you romance him as a guy. I thought that was a bit weird. Why wouldn't he tell a female Hawke of his past relationship? However, some people seemed to take objection to the fact that his preference wasn't respected, which was hilarious considering in DAA he was constantly going on about the attractiveness of women and never mentioned men at all. In fact he even said something how his dream was to settle down with a good woman (or something like that) because when I tried the version with the Orlesian Warden I had her point out that the good woman was standing right there. Perhaps he was over compensating or something. We had the whole thing with Dorian and Iron Bull and people saying they wouldn't romance either of them because they didn't want to get in the way of such a beautiful relationship, when I seem to recall even DW said it was a bit messed up if Bull was still in the Qun and that was before what happened in Trespasser. But boy were the writers pushing the relationship if he went Tal'Vashoth. Way more screen time devoted to their relationship in the epilogue than the one between Dorian and the Inquisitor. I was more miffed about that. Now I've seen people suggesting we should steer clear of Harding and Taash for the same reason! At this rate, if everyone hooks up with someone else and that puts them off limits, Rook is really going to have a difficult time romancing anyone. I think it'll be fine. Of course Harding isn't going to be my first port of romantic call but pretty sure a future playthrough will get around to her. Probably my third Antivan Crow at this rate. I don't think I have ever fully gotten the Bull and Dorian romance.
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Post by Felya87 on Sept 7, 2024 10:44:08 GMT
Now I've seen people suggesting we should steer clear of Harding and Taash for the same reason! At this rate, if everyone hooks up with someone else and that puts them off limits, Rook is really going to have a difficult time romancing anyone. And this is why romance between romanceable characters have been erased since the time of the old Harvest Moon. I never liked the companions romance outside the protagonist, and the shipping warmongers is one of the reasons.
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