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Post by danaxe on Jul 20, 2024 23:31:19 GMT
Whatever your stance is on the game, i think we can all laugh at this. That screaming dragon is just hilarious
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Post by grallon on Jul 20, 2024 23:52:38 GMT
That would have bought 'Beware' quite a lot of good will had they had the chutzpah to make fun at themselves ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png)
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 21, 2024 2:50:15 GMT
That was pretty damn funny, I admit. I will now forever associate Varric with the nickname “Ugly George.”
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Post by smilesja on Jul 21, 2024 4:01:04 GMT
Who are the fans? What’s with YouTubers assuming that everyone agrees with them?
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Post by phoray on Jul 21, 2024 4:06:41 GMT
I wish that had been the trailer. 😁
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 21, 2024 5:02:37 GMT
I like that trailer... funny
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Post by shaqfu on Jul 21, 2024 5:56:13 GMT
I see they went with the Ubisoft approach when Davrin showed up lol
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 21, 2024 6:04:42 GMT
Almost every single joke is about skin color, ethnicity, or gender. This person sure does give off the vibe of someone that moans about identity politics while talking about nothing else. So brave, so real. *eyeroll*
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 21, 2024 6:26:43 GMT
Lame. The dragon scream at the end was funny, though.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 21, 2024 8:42:24 GMT
The dragon scream was worth it!
Otherwise too easy because the trailer already looks like a parody. So low effort required.
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Post by fistoffiori on Jul 21, 2024 15:52:24 GMT
Almost every single joke is about skin color, ethnicity, or gender. This person sure does give off the vibe of someone that moans about identity politics while talking about nothing else. So brave, so real. *eyeroll* Yeah, it's very much the vibes of someone whining about "DEI" (which the comments are doing, it's their current favourite buzzword), as if the games and Mass Effect hadn't been diverse before. The wail of "Wooooke!" that grifters do plenty these days (no idea if the person who made it is like that, but still). I did get slightly amused at the Dragon screaming in song, but yeah, that's it.
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Post by grallon on Jul 21, 2024 16:10:01 GMT
Yeah, it's very much the vibes of someone whining about "DEI" (which the comments are doing, it's their current favourite buzzword), as if the games and Mass Effect hadn't been diverse before. The wail of "Wooooke!" that grifters do plenty these days (no idea if the person who made it is like that, but still). I did get slightly amused at the Dragon screaming in song, but yeah, that's it. Nobody would be talking about all this DEI & woke crap if it wasn't a thing constantly crammed down everyone's throat; in movies, tv shows, video games, comic books, etc. Which is what makes this clip amusing, because it satirizes a very real thing. But hey, if you like that sort of thing then enjoy!
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Post by githcheater on Jul 21, 2024 23:22:02 GMT
At least the diversity messaging is not over the top. Hopefully Bioware will continue to emphasize character interaction and story rather than Aesop.
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 22, 2024 0:56:10 GMT
I hate the use of the term “woke,” because it’s tossed around by alt-right shitheads and incels complaining about the presence of any person of colour or LGBTQ folks. They can’t even define what “woke” means when called upon to do so.
That said, I also know that corporations cynically use diversity as a crutch to avoid or deflect criticism; as the running joke goes, Activision Blizzard rolls out a new gay Overwatch character every time it comes one of the devs was caught doing human trafficking or some shit.
To me, the trailer is funny because it reminds me of two corporate heads talking about how they have to fill out a diversity checklist for the new Dragon Age game.
See folks, it doesn’t matter we spent 10 years putting out two shitty games and laying off a bunch of devs because, umm … the elves are Asian now! Oh, and we have a lady warrior of questionable gender identity! Holy fuck, we’re progressive!
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 22, 2024 1:02:25 GMT
In any case, this trailer is far from Unscripted’s best work. You should see their “Todd Howard unveils the truth about Starfield” video. That’s a work of art.
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Post by Gwydden on Jul 22, 2024 1:33:33 GMT
Nobody would be talking about all this DEI & woke crap if it wasn't a thing constantly crammed down everyone's throat; in movies, tv shows, video games, comic books, etc. Which is what makes this clip amusing, because it satirizes a very real thing. But hey, if you like that sort of thing then enjoy! Have you considered that the reason there's so much of that stuff is because many enjoy it? That you may just not be the target audience for some things? Like, the way some people complain about this stuff, it's like they think no one could possibly want it and there must be some sinister conspiracy to "cram it down everyone's throat."
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Post by grallon on Jul 22, 2024 2:58:30 GMT
I hate the use of the term “woke,” because it’s tossed around by alt-right shitheads and incels complaining about the presence of any person of colour or LGBTQ folks. That said, I also know that corporations cynically use diversity as a crutch to avoid or deflect criticism; as the running joke goes, Activision Blizzard rolls out a new gay Overwatch character every time it comes one of the devs was caught doing something awful. To me, the trailer is funny because it reminds me of two corporate heads talking about how they have to fill out a diversity checklist for the new Dragon Age game. See folks, it doesn’t matter we spent 10 years putting out two shitty games and laying off a bunch of devs because, umm … the elves are Asian now! Oh, and we have a lady warrior of questionable gender identity! Holy fuck, we’re progressive! Then you should be mindful about tossing around words like 'alt-right' and 'incels'. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/ArEmjZuxZjcaZiJPacBG.png) I don't know if you've noticed but that is barely working anymore. You can use a weapon only so long before it becomes blunt... In any case, what you mentioned in your last sentence is called 'tokenism'. Corporations ( & governments ) are very fond of using it, for pretty much the reasons you stated. But what really boggles the mind is to see so many still falling for it. I suppose social media are largely to blame. When you reach a critical mass of people willingly suppressing any critical thinking for the sake of a like or a retweet, then you can manufacture real social trends, consensus for or against anything. Mass manipulation... A sobering thought don't you think?
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 22, 2024 3:15:50 GMT
I hate the use of the term “woke,” because it’s tossed around by alt-right shitheads and incels complaining about the presence of any person of colour or LGBTQ folks. That said, I also know that corporations cynically use diversity as a crutch to avoid or deflect criticism; as the running joke goes, Activision Blizzard rolls out a new gay Overwatch character every time it comes one of the devs was caught doing something awful. To me, the trailer is funny because it reminds me of two corporate heads talking about how they have to fill out a diversity checklist for the new Dragon Age game. See folks, it doesn’t matter we spent 10 years putting out two shitty games and laying off a bunch of devs because, umm … the elves are Asian now! Oh, and we have a lady warrior of questionable gender identity! Holy fuck, we’re progressive! The devs being laid off has far less to do with the current quality of Bioware's games and far more to do with the current state of the industry. Even companies making well-received games are having to lay people off, or having their funding cut off by their publishers due to failing to recoup costs. Not that that makes it okay, and failing to pay severance is especially shitty on Bioware’s end. I really don't understand the comparison to Activision, given these companions have been in development for years and at no point, ever, need to justify not being white or straight or not a man. The Blizzard comparison would be like if Bellara or Davrin had been added as a day one DLC character, with all the interactivity of Sebastian within the main game. I also really haven't seen Bioware use diversity to try and bludgeon criticism, they've mentioned it in PR statements and that's it. But I've certainly seen bigoted, populist rhetoric coming from so-called 'fans' of the games, often couched in comedic dog whistles much like the video posted here.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 22, 2024 8:25:00 GMT
Have you considered that the reason there's so much of that stuff is because many enjoy it? That you may just not be the target audience for some things? Like, the way some people complain about this stuff, it's like they think no one could possibly want it and there must be some sinister conspiracy to "cram it down everyone's throat." For me what bothers me the most about woke isn't representation per se but how it usually comes with being racist right back to white people. The minority people are usually the morally upstanding ones while the evil people are straight white men and sometimes women. Woke is extremely racist and judgemental itself, that's the irony. And worse, these people see nothing wrong with it. Must be some kind of fucked up payback for the past. Talk about overcompensating and becoming the thing you claim to fight. If the only way you can uplift a group is to put down another group you're no better than that group you hate. This is why that woke narrative is so disgusting to me. And I find it shocking how often people claim not to see it. Also the representation is usually a one sided black against white culture war. As if no other minority matters. It's all done to create MORE hatred. Woke is extremely toxic, so is anti woke, I admit. But that's just the kind of pushback you get when you tell a group of people that they are privileged rapists and bigots. The woke or DEI movement is frankly evil in the way it instrumentalizes certain groups and creates this culture war of hatred. Either that is indeed by design or the people behind it are fucking racist morons with zero self awareness and understanding of nuance. These people are bullies and like everything it's about power. I'm talking about this movement and not about inclusion as a positive concept. It's the language that matters and the language used is toxic. Both extreme ends of the fence are toxic racists. Me, I'm the kind of anti woke who just wants people to be nice to one another. That has always proven difficult for humanity. And it's quite maddening what damage righteous crusades cause, not matter what face they're wearing. It's a modern day witch hunt to me, only all backwards.
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Post by Reznore on Jul 22, 2024 9:09:42 GMT
I'm not too bothered. At the core DA was written as "woke", it was women influencing the main religion and being seen as righteous whereas men were seen as lesser. I'm a little sad we're getting more dude focus with Solas being the tragic villain/hero instead of Flemeth but what can you do? I draw the line at after school special quests and such. I hate that. It's a waste of my time, and shoehorning current issues just break mah immersion. I romanced Dorian love him as a character just his whole dad quest, I didn't care for. I liked Krem way more than the Bull, but again why do I care about what is their underpants exactly? Wasn't trying to get into them. I'm expecting some level of cringe in DATV, that's fine. Hopefully no I'm slighty neurodivergeant non binary pansexual character that will try to explain how it's their whole quirky personality and the misunderstood plight of it all because there's only so much bullshit I can suffer.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 22, 2024 9:54:42 GMT
Not much effort was required here because the original trailer almost looks like a parody and everyone knows where BioWare stands when it comes to diversity.
I still had a laugh about the "blank slate protagonist". And the howling about this video of course.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 22, 2024 11:19:25 GMT
I have no issues with how woke Dragon Age was before. They just did inclusivity and it was fine. Because these characters weren't only about their sexuality. Krem was borderline in how they did it and the trans person in Andromeda was straight up cringe with how they felt like thst was the first thing they needed to tell you about. Also the asari pronouns thing was godawful. Dorian felt a lot like a school special on homosexuality to me too but it wasn't written for me and I did read how this helped some gay players face their family so that's great for them.
So I'm worried about a general trend in media AND at BioWare putting too much focus on explaining why everyone is special because of their sexuality or ethnicity. I couldn't care less. That doesn't make anybody special to me. It's what you do with your life that's interesting to me.
But in the past DA was fine, the trilogy was fine. So I hope they manage to strike a balance in their storytelling.
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Post by phoray on Jul 22, 2024 11:40:30 GMT
Whoa. I just thought it was a funny trailer poking fun at what very little information we had thus far. Until we know more about them, they are just cardboard cutout caricatures that may have been chosen to be appear diverse. Y'all are diving way too seriously into a joke video.
There was a joke video making fun of Andromeda when it came out that made me cackle hardcore and nod along. I had played it once through and enjoyed it enough for the once with no urge for more. It was just poking fun at the flaws but it's up to you to laugh at the media with affection or weave it into the narrative that everyone hates it before it arrives.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 22, 2024 11:52:56 GMT
Shallow corporate tokenism is indeed a thing, but I don't think we have to look that hard for reasons for the Dragon Age games have always been 'woke'. There's a weird assumption that video game companies only put female protagonists, people of colour or disabled or LGBT+ characters and other groups that have historically been discriminated against in their games because someone forced them to. Like creative people in any medium, video game developers want to see themselves and their audience reflected in their work, and as both the dev pool and the audience have gotten broader so have the contents of the games. Dorian's not gay because some executive somewhere decided DAI needed a gay character. He's gay because David Gaider wanted him that way. BioWare were smart enough to get out of his way (they didn't when he wanted Zevran to be gay a few years earlier) but the impetus to do that story came from the lead writer. Krem is trans because Patrick Weekes needed some kind of angle on the character to make him more interesting and that's the one they went with. The Dragon Age writer's pit has always been half women, their first lead writer was a gay man and the current one is a pansexual enby. The game design director is a trans woman. Why would they not want to see people like themselves in games? Why would they not also be inclinded to think that Black and Asian people or amputees and whatever other groups are represented by Veilguard will get a kick out of seeing people like them in the game? I've already seen one Black cosplayer working on a Davrin outfit. I'm in my mid-forties, I've been playing games since I was six. I'm old enough to remember when every game I played seemed to assume I was a man (or a boy) and a straight white one at that. Things are so much better now. And it's not like any RPG with character creation is stopping anyone from playing a heterosexual white man if that's what they want to do! In a few months I am going to boot up Veilguard, make the fattest purple-haired Qunari Rook I can and go romance Harding ![<3](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/bYmUqWGYNIhNE0GJanhP.png) . So mark me down as cheerfully 'woke', I guess, or whatever the next buzzword is.
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Post by danaxe on Jul 22, 2024 13:57:48 GMT
I hate the use of the term “woke,” because it’s tossed around by alt-right shitheads and incels complaining about the presence of any person of colour or LGBTQ folks. That said, I also know that corporations cynically use diversity as a crutch to avoid or deflect criticism; as the running joke goes, Activision Blizzard rolls out a new gay Overwatch character every time it comes one of the devs was caught doing something awful. To me, the trailer is funny because it reminds me of two corporate heads talking about how they have to fill out a diversity checklist for the new Dragon Age game. See folks, it doesn’t matter we spent 10 years putting out two shitty games and laying off a bunch of devs because, umm … the elves are Asian now! Oh, and we have a lady warrior of questionable gender identity! Holy fuck, we’re progressive! The devs being laid off has far less to do with the current quality of Bioware's games and far more to do with the current state of the industry. Even companies making well-received games are having to lay people off, or having their funding cut off by their publishers due to failing to recoup costs. Not that that makes it okay, and failing to pay severance is especially shitty on Bioware’s end. I really don't understand the comparison to Activision, given these companions have been in development for years and at no point, ever, need to justify not being white or straight or not a man. The Blizzard comparison would be like if Bellara or Davrin had been added as a day one DLC character, with all the interactivity of Sebastian within the main game. I also really haven't seen Bioware use diversity to try and bludgeon criticism, they've mentioned it in PR statements and that's it. But I've certainly seen bigoted, populist rhetoric coming from so-called 'fans' of the games, often couched in comedic dog whistles much like the video posted here. There's no 'fans'. It's just fans. Whatever the reason for them being fans its up to each one of them individually. Or do you think there are right and wrong types of fans? You can be a fan and still be critic of the things you dont personally like. And that is a right everyone has. Doesnt make them any less fans than those that agree with all of it. Some like the setting, others the combat, others the companions, others like a combination or all of it. Neither is more than the other. I am a fan. But there are things im not happy about in the way Veilguard has been presented so far. I will wait till i've played the game so i can judge if i like it or not. Until then, its all up in the air and I remain, indeed, a fan. And videos like the one i posted are meant to be in good fun, to have a laugh. It's not a declaration of war. I dont take myself that seriously.
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