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Post by Hrungr on Aug 18, 2024 4:22:43 GMT
I just had the most evil (though admittedly "pie-in-the-sky") thought. You know how the DA:V artstyle is a bit soft and has this painterly quality to it. What if - PLOT TWIST- this is all happening the Fade. What if we're getting tricked by a trickster and only figure it out in mid-Act II? out of all the crazy theories I've heard over the years this has to be the craziest.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2024 6:39:52 GMT
out of all the crazy theories I've heard over the years this has to be the craziest. Try this one for size. May be Rook had been eating a lot of those weird purple mushrooms we've been hearing about in earlier games and this was just some massive drug trip, helped along by the Dreamer from his lair. Rook eventually wakes up in the Hanged Man in Kirkwall with Varric taking notes. "Wow, this is going to be my best seller yet."
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2024 7:29:59 GMT
So here is something interesting which may point to some things or may not. Back during Inquisition's campaign they did not reveal that Corypheus was the big bad at all going into it. We had the one leaked picture from someone's gameplay, and granted we all knew basically but they didn't actually reveal anything, we just heard him in the Enemy of Thedas trailer this time.
But now we esentially not only know who are potential three Big Bads are but we have even seen a fair few clips at this point that is probably them in their more monstrous forms. Now they have said that they are planning on making the big bads a lot more omnipresent in the story then Corypheus was, so I wonder if that is part of this plan.
Also not sure what it means in terms of crazy theory crafting but it is also kind of interesting that you have the first of the gods and the last of the gods getting free.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Aug 18, 2024 8:00:12 GMT
If you watch the activating Eluvian, it reveals a very different elven location than the one characters step through a moment later. Some creative editing at work. Could be the Crossroads. The Eluvians don't connect to their destination directly, so this could be the point where the characters learn more about the Crossroads. Harding could explain it in the start of the game, when going from Minrathous to the Arlathan Forest, given her time in the Inquisition, and Bellara could provide further insight after she's recruited. So here is something interesting which may point to some things or may not. Back during Inquisition's campaign they did not reveal that Corypheus was the big bad at all going into it. We had the one leaked picture from someone's gameplay, and granted we all knew basically but they didn't actually reveal anything, we just heard him in the Enemy of Thedas trailer this time. But now we esentially not only know who are potential three Big Bads are but we have even seen a fair few clips at this point that is probably them in their more monstrous forms. Now they have said that they are planning on making the big bads a lot more omnipresent in the story then Corypheus was, so I wonder if that is part of this plan. Also not sure what it means in terms of crazy theory crafting but it is also kind of interesting that you have the first of the gods and the last of the gods getting free. The gameplay video shows that there's a third statue that gets broken along with the 2 of the main baddies. Unless that's a red herring, there could be a third presence somewhere, either hidden or not, that we haven't yet seen in the trailers. I liked that they didn't show off Corypheus in the marketing for DAI, that was the mystery to solve, who was behind the Breach and then stand against them. Now, unless you read the GI articles, the mystery is who these two are and what their actual plan is.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2024 8:02:36 GMT
If you watch the activating Eluvian, it reveals a very different elven location than the one characters step through a moment later. Some creative editing at work. Could be the Crossroads. The Eluvians don't connect to their destination directly, so this could be the point where the characters learn more about the Crossroads. Harding could explain it in the start of the game, when going from Minrathous to the Arlathan Forest, given her time in the Inquisition, and Bellara could provide further insight after she's recruited. So here is something interesting which may point to some things or may not. Back during Inquisition's campaign they did not reveal that Corypheus was the big bad at all going into it. We had the one leaked picture from someone's gameplay, and granted we all knew basically but they didn't actually reveal anything, we just heard him in the Enemy of Thedas trailer this time. But now we esentially not only know who are potential three Big Bads are but we have even seen a fair few clips at this point that is probably them in their more monstrous forms. Now they have said that they are planning on making the big bads a lot more omnipresent in the story then Corypheus was, so I wonder if that is part of this plan. Also not sure what it means in terms of crazy theory crafting but it is also kind of interesting that you have the first of the gods and the last of the gods getting free. The gameplay video shows that there's a third statue that gets broken along with the 2 of the main baddies. Unless that's a red herring, there could be a third presence somewhere, either hidden or not, that we haven't yet seen in the trailers. I liked that they didn't show off Corypheus in the marketing for DAI, that was the mystery to solve, who was behind the Breach and then stand against them. Now, unless you read the GI articles, the mystery is who these two are and what their actual plan is. I would suspect red herring myself or nothing of real importance.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2024 8:17:36 GMT
Also not sure what it means in terms of crazy theory crafting but it is also kind of interesting that you have the first of the gods and the last of the gods getting free. Interesting symbolism. I hadn't picked up on that one but it wasn't just random they were chosen as the hints were there. Ghil wasn't a surprise because they have been building her up for some time and if any god was guaranteed to appear at some point, it was her. I suppose there were a fair few hints about Elgar'nan too being more prominent than the other gods. Also most likely it was those two who were principally behind the move against Mythal, although I suspect Elgar'nan would try to absolve himself of actually doing the deed. Macbeth like he would declare: "You cannot say I did it", as he did to Banquo's ghost, but it was his idea.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2024 8:25:26 GMT
Also not sure what it means in terms of crazy theory crafting but it is also kind of interesting that you have the first of the gods and the last of the gods getting free. Interesting symbolism. I hadn't picked up on that one but it wasn't just random they were chosen as the hints were there. Ghil wasn't a surprise because they have been building her up for some time and if any god was guaranteed to appear at some point, it was her. I suppose there were a fair few hints about Elgar'nan too being more prominent than the other gods. Also most likely it was those two who were principally behind the move against Mythal, although I suspect Elgar'nan would try to absolve himself of actually doing the deed. Macbeth like he would declare: "You cannot say I did it", as he did to Banquo's ghost, but it was his idea. Yeah kind of thinking along those lines too. From everything we have heard Ghil and Elgar'nan could probably be in the running for two most evil of the Evanuris/ depraved as well which would fit in with what you said about them being the ones most responsible for the murder. Other one in the running would be Andruil of course but since she seemed to have gone insane and not have been a sadistic frak in the first place like Ghil...though was also the one who recruited Ghil...they would almost be neck in neck with one another. I believe Dirthamen would then by the next one on the list since spy masters tend to be pretty morally gray to begin with, but we just don't know since so much of his stuff is so shrouded in obvious secrecy. As for the rest really can't say, probably just went along with it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2024 8:48:51 GMT
I believe Dirthamen would then by the next one on the list since spy masters tend to be pretty morally gray to begin with, but we just don't know since so much of his stuff is so shrouded in obvious secrecy. As for the rest really can't say, probably just went along with it. Don't forget the whole thing about Dirthamen not being Falon'Din's twin brother but really some sort of alter ego, so Falon'Din was Dirthamen's shadow and Dirthamen was "Falon'Din's reflection". Something weird going on there. One of the codices said that Falon'Din could walk where the people could not. I think that was referring to the Void where he was immune, perhaps, to its corruption. Then one of his stories says how he carried a deer into the Fade. More likely it is a vague memory of how he encouraged Andruil to go hunting in the Void, where she went mad. Meanwhile, the stories also say how it was Falon'Din who guided people in the Fade, which I think was less a physical thing than a spiritual one and he was entering the dreams of those in Uthenera (either willingly or unwillingly on their part) or perhaps that was Dirthamen. The Dalish legends suggest the two "brothers" worked together, which could be the Dalish half remembering the fact that they were really two aspects of one being. It might also be pertinent that it was said to be Dirthamen who created the first Varterrals, not June as you would expect, to guard the city of Arlathan after it was attacked by a high dragon. Now why would a dragon be attacking the city? Sounds to me like Mythal turned up because she had discovered something going on there that she did not approve of. Or may be the city referred to wasn't actually Arlathan but the citadel of Falon'Din, where he was bloodied by her in his own temple. This seems borne out by the fact that the Dalish say his city crumbled to dust when he was imprisoned by Fen'Harel. Did this really occur? If so, perhaps it was sustained by their magic and without them present it crumbled, although it could also just be a memory of what happened to all of the elven empire when the gods were imprisoned, because of the effects of the Veil.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2024 8:56:39 GMT
The gameplay video shows that there's a third statue that gets broken along with the 2 of the main baddies. Unless that's a red herring, there could be a third presence somewhere, either hidden or not, that we haven't yet seen in the trailers. Entirely possible. That is going to be the twist later on. We think we've dealt with the two baddies and then hey presto, there is another one. After all, Solas only accused Rook of releasing the blighted gods, he didn't say how many. May be even he isn't aware of the third one or may be something more (see what I say above about the "twin brothers").
Those two dragons at the end seem to be working together and look different to me to the one that seems to represent Elgar'nan. What if those two are in fact Falon'Din/Dirthamen?
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Post by azarhal on Aug 18, 2024 11:20:13 GMT
While two has been used here and there, most official things just mention the blighted gods without any specific amount (sometimes using ancient instead of blighted too) and nothing stop Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain from freeing the others.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2024 11:23:45 GMT
While two has been used here and there, most official things just mention the blighted gods without any specific amount (sometimes using ancient instead of blighted too) and nothing stop Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain from freeing the others. If there are still others out there. Granted Hrungr's good eye does put a new spin on Ghil's 'death scene'.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2024 12:52:18 GMT
Things to remember: 1. They aren't gods, just very powerful mages - might be possible to come up with some sort of magic negation item. 2. They can be killed although this may not be permanent but with the right item it may reduce their power considerably. 3. They likely have a contingency plan in case they are killed. Whilst they may help one another, they would be stupid to trust their fellow "gods" in view of what happened with Mythal. Also, remember the Arch-demons/Corypheus and Solas hadn't worked out how to achieve this; hence imprisoning them. 4. Suspect the lyrium blade is going to be important. 5. Judging from that scene near the end, it is but we have yet to discover exactly what happened there. 6. If Solas doesn't warn Rook of the problems and at least offer a potential solution (even if we choose not to follow it) then I will never trust him again!
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 18, 2024 20:15:38 GMT
I've re-read Neve's story in Tevinter Nights to refresh my memory about some things, but the story made me ponder about something else from the trailer. Namely, this part: People have speculated - including myself - that the woman Lucanis is grappling with is Zara Renata, a pretty heavily foreshadowed villain likely connected to Lucanis' personal story. ...But what if it's Aelia from Neve's story? The one thing we know about Aelia is that she has red hair, and well - the lady from the clip has red hair as well. We also know Aelia has been stopped, but isn't dead - and that she is one crazy zealot. It makes more narrative sense for this to be Zara Renata (IF she is, in fact, anyone who we were introduced to already), but we already know that companion quests will be interconnected with the main plot - well, what if their quests are interconnected with one another as well? It would make sense in a story where companions are an integral part of that story, unlike in other titles where they can be skipped entirely, and thus their quests had to stay largely separate from one another.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2024 20:22:59 GMT
So something I noticed specifically in watching my reactions I am watching. When Rook is approaching that first Dragon with the guy in the Blight he is followed by-
Neve Bellara Harding- who is also beat up still.
So this can be I guess early in the game but not too early. Also the background does not seem to be Arlathan. Now obviously I don't think this means we get an extra companion. But I do wonder if this is evidence of my theory that during certain quests, namely the personal quests, if the fourth member/ agent won't be that companion character which means unlike ME 2/3 that those companions won't take up an all important slot and we can still have full control over our party selection.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2024 20:26:44 GMT
I've re-read Neve's story in Tevinter Nights to refresh my memory about some things, but the story made me ponder about something else from the trailer. Namely, this part: People have speculated - including myself - that the woman Lucanis is grappling with is Zara Renata, a pretty heavily foreshadowed villain likely connected to Lucanis' personal story. ...But what if it's Aelia from Neve's story? The one thing we know about Aelia is that she has red hair, and well - the lady from the clip has red hair as well. We also know Aelia has been stopped, but isn't dead - and that she is one crazy zealot. It makes more narrative sense for this to be Zara Renata (IF she is, in fact, anyone who we were introduced to already), but we already know that companion quests will be interconnected with the main plot - well, what if their quests are interconnected with one another as well? It would make sense in a story where companions are an integral part of that story, unlike in other titles where they can be skipped entirely, and thus their quests had to stay largely separate from one another. I mentioned this in the Lucanis thread to a bit. They have said contradictory things on this. In some articles and tweets they mentioned how important they are and might interconnect...but the edge article they mentioned they'd be important but optional. We'll just have to see how bold they're going to end up being in either direction.
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Post by arainai on Aug 18, 2024 22:49:36 GMT
omg the hype is REAL after this trailer !
also, is it just me or does "I'll be damned, a griffon" totally sound like Carver???
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Post by Reznore on Aug 19, 2024 5:46:17 GMT
So something I noticed specifically in watching my reactions I am watching. When Rook is approaching that first Dragon with the guy in the Blight he is followed by- Neve Bellara Harding- who is also beat up still. So this can be I guess early in the game but not too early. Also the background does not seem to be Arlathan. Now obviously I don't think this means we get an extra companion. But I do wonder if this is evidence of my theory that during certain quests, namely the personal quests, if the fourth member/ agent won't be that companion character which means unlike ME 2/3 that those companions won't take up an all important slot and we can still have full control over our party selection. I think it might be Arlathan. In the Game Informer article, the guy said Arlathan was already getting covered in Blights and tentacles. There's a part that looks a bit like in a cave when they find an elf in a disgusting tentacle cocoon. Then it looks to me like they get out of the cave and stumble on the dragon.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 19, 2024 6:04:43 GMT
So something I noticed specifically in watching my reactions I am watching. When Rook is approaching that first Dragon with the guy in the Blight he is followed by- Neve Bellara Harding- who is also beat up still. So this can be I guess early in the game but not too early. Also the background does not seem to be Arlathan. Now obviously I don't think this means we get an extra companion. But I do wonder if this is evidence of my theory that during certain quests, namely the personal quests, if the fourth member/ agent won't be that companion character which means unlike ME 2/3 that those companions won't take up an all important slot and we can still have full control over our party selection. I think it might be Arlathan. In the Game Informer article, the guy said Arlathan was already getting covered in Blights and tentacles. There's a part that looks a bit like in a cave when they find an elf in a disgusting tentacle cocoon. Then it looks to me like they get out of the cave and stumble on the dragon. The thought occurred to me that it could be the outer boundaries of the forest where the Qunari have done their thing. Still a blighted dragon seems like a lot to throw at the player so early on.
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Post by Envisionary on Aug 19, 2024 6:13:47 GMT
I'm still fascinated with Ghilan'nain and she's basically hard carrying my interest in this title. Elgar'nan isn't doing it for me.
Assuming all of them are capable of shapeshifting, they all should have been as otherworldly in design as she is. Elgar'nan at first glance and big multi eyed wolf form Solas seem lame in comparison to the horror high fashion the MOTHER of the Halla is giving.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 19, 2024 7:06:53 GMT
I think it might be Arlathan. In the Game Informer article, the guy said Arlathan was already getting covered in Blights and tentacles. There's a part that looks a bit like in a cave when they find an elf in a disgusting tentacle cocoon. Then it looks to me like they get out of the cave and stumble on the dragon. The thought occurred to me that it could be the outer boundaries of the forest where the Qunari have done their thing. Still a blighted dragon seems like a lot to throw at the player so early on. I don't think this dragon is blighted (yet)? But I doubt we're fighting it this early. Perhaps we'll be getting several plot points thrown at us early, the Blight, dragons, etc...so we have reasons to go look for wardens or someone like Taash?
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 19, 2024 8:25:16 GMT
About 2-3 times now that I'm like "Ghil? From MEA, what does he have to do with anything? Why are people bringing him up so much?" 😛
Ghilan'nain, however - not for nothing, but a *much* better character - has certainly piqued my interest... probably even more than Solas. Awesome character design, like, I'm scared already!
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 19, 2024 8:32:15 GMT
I've re-read Neve's story in Tevinter Nights to refresh my memory about some things, but the story made me ponder about something else from the trailer. Namely, this part: People have speculated - including myself - that the woman Lucanis is grappling with is Zara Renata, a pretty heavily foreshadowed villain likely connected to Lucanis' personal story. ...But what if it's Aelia from Neve's story? The one thing we know about Aelia is that she has red hair, and well - the lady from the clip has red hair as well. We also know Aelia has been stopped, but isn't dead - and that she is one crazy zealot. It makes more narrative sense for this to be Zara Renata (IF she is, in fact, anyone who we were introduced to already), but we already know that companion quests will be interconnected with the main plot - well, what if their quests are interconnected with one another as well? It would make sense in a story where companions are an integral part of that story, unlike in other titles where they can be skipped entirely, and thus their quests had to stay largely separate from one another. More likely to be Zara. Also they seem to be fighting over a staff glowing with red energy (could be red-lirium related, but) I think it's blood magic. Zara Renata is a huuuge blood magic fan. And the woman on the ground is the same Crow lady (speculated to be Teia) from a certain fighting scene in the trailer... so, I'd say this seems more like a Lucanis thing than Neve's.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 19, 2024 8:59:13 GMT
BioWare has form. They used Hi-Finesse and Audiomachine for Inquisition could've sworn I heard that slowly into the light was Trevor Morris. Composed by: Joe Bauer Album: Hits, Vol. 1 by Hi-Finesse
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 19, 2024 9:03:59 GMT
They used Two Steps From Hell pretty heavily during the original Mass Effect trilogy was used for Andromeda, composed by Blakus - released by Really Slow Motion (publisher). Also: Composed by Andrew Swarbrick - Open Spaces - released by Hi-Finesse So yeah they have a long tradition of doing this
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2024 9:06:50 GMT
The thought occurred to me that it could be the outer boundaries of the forest where the Qunari have done their thing. Still a blighted dragon seems like a lot to throw at the player so early on. I don't think the dragon is blighted in that shot. You can see something in the base of its neck but I assume that was it just building up fire to attack with. If it was red lyrium, then at that point I don't think it is affecting the dragon (likely because it has created a blight negating cyst around it), although that doesn't rule out it become corrupted by it later. However, it is possible that it is a dragon ally, at least initially.
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