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Post by Snakety69 on Aug 17, 2024 20:20:33 GMT
I do not like this tag line.
I'll always love Inquisition, but one of my complaints about the game is how, aside from the Battle of Haven, we pretty much thwarted and dog walked Corypheus's ass at every turn. I would actually like this go around to be a struggle where it's back and forth as far as us and them are concerned. it's entirely possible I'm overthinking this and the line is just some promotional text to get people hyped in a simple way. What do you all think?
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Post by colfoley on Aug 17, 2024 20:22:07 GMT
I do wonder what the source is but really just sounds like a battle cry to drive up hype in and out of universe.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 17, 2024 23:03:49 GMT
I do wonder what the source is but really just sounds like a battle cry to drive up hype in and out of universe. This is how it came across to me as well. It's just a tagline to make our team feel like badasses. But I agree with the sentiment of the original post, in that Corypheus just didn't feel like much of a threat in Inquisition when it came to actually fighting him, and I hope that won't be the case with our new villains.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Aug 18, 2024 0:14:25 GMT
Yes, they're going to have a hard time living up to horror of hormak and other stories, but if Bioware nails it, it'll be amazing. I'm thinking that they'll get this across through the companions. When the devs emphasized that your choices will affect your companions, I believe they were leaning in the direction of using these 'gods' as a mechanic to feel the consequences of said choices. Hopefully it pans out.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2024 7:32:01 GMT
I do not like this tag line. Well it was contradicted by Morrigan. Listen to what she says at the beginning of the trailer. Bellara is also heard expressing doubts about our chances against them. Still, if you were leading the charge against the evil gods, you need to boost morale, not crush it. Alone we don't stand a chance but united we stand, divided we fall. Wasn't that the whole point of changing the name to the Veilguard? Also, Solas and his rebels back in the day were prepared to take on 7 of them. Okay, they didn't succeed in defeating them and he had to resort to trickery but the odds are definitely better this time round with only two to deal with. Besides they are not gods, just very powerful mages. We can find a way to deal with them. As Varric said of Rook: "You're clever adaptable and don't know when to quit", but the important part is that we build a team to take them down of people committing to fighting their tyranny and destruction. All they have are slaves and idiots who think they'll be rewarded for serving them. Of course, they don't stand a chance. Getting ME1 vibes here. Sovereign: I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign......We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything. Shepard: Whatever you plan is, it is going to fail.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 18, 2024 7:42:30 GMT
It's part of the BioWare vibe. Quirky band of misfits snark their way to inevitable victory.
"Darkness closes in. Will you stand against it or lead this world to its bitter end?" - also Morrigan, Dragon Age Inquisition trailer
And then we got Coryphywaffles who fumbles around pitifully most of the time until he gets put out of his misery by a party of four.
I'm sure lots of people will talk about how incredibly terrible those blighted elven gods are, there will be codex entries about about their unfathomable might, and then we'll crack oneliners while kicking their asses up to their teeth.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2024 12:59:42 GMT
"Darkness closes in. Will you stand against it or lead this world to its bitter end?" - also Morrigan, Dragon Age Inquisition trailer I've already said elsewhere that I think those words related to the second half that we are now going to be able to play. Corypheus was never intended to be the main villain of the story and it showed. It would have been funny though if he was still around to witness the return of the elven gods: Corypheus: Bow before me, I am the god you deserve and if you don't submit my dragon will make you. Elgar'nan: Call that a dragon? Now this is a dragon. (Crisps Cory and his dragon). Those puny humans never learn.
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Post by Snakety69 on Aug 18, 2024 14:41:11 GMT
I do not like this tag line. Well it was contradicted by Morrigan. Listen to what she says at the beginning of the trailer. Bellara is also heard expressing doubts about our chances against them. Still, if you were leading the charge against the evil gods, you need to boost morale, not crush it. Alone we don't stand a chance but united we stand, divided we fall. Wasn't that the whole point of changing the name to the Veilguard? Also, Solas and his rebels back in the day were prepared to take on 7 of them. Okay, they didn't succeed in defeating them and he had to resort to trickery but the odds are definitely better this time round with only two to deal with. Besides they are not gods, just very powerful mages. We can find a way to deal with them. As Varric said of Rook: "You're clever adaptable and don't know when to quit", but the important part is that we build a team to take them down of people committing to fighting their tyranny and destruction. All they have are slaves and idiots who think they'll be rewarded for serving them. Of course, they don't stand a chance. Getting ME1 vibes here. Sovereign: I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign......We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything. Shepard: Whatever you plan is, it is going to fail. It's funny you bring up Mass Effect, because that's kind of how I want this to be. When the Reapers finally showed up, we could not have been more outclassed. Aside from a few contextual moments of us getting the better of them, we spent most of the game ducking and running from them. Yeah, we eventually prevailed at the end, but dammit if it wasn't a struggle, filled with many retreats and hard loss. Yes, the Evanuris are mortal mages. That being said, they are extremely powerful with magic no one in tis world likely has. I want these beings to pose a serious threat, and make our heroes struggle their ass off to beat them. It makes for better drama, and makes our inevitable victory all the sweeter. With how the last game went down, and the official tag line that's been put out there, I don't think it's unreasonable to be a bit skeptical.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2024 17:56:13 GMT
It's funny you bring up Mass Effect, because that's kind of how I want this to be. When the Reapers finally showed up, we could not have been more outclassed. Aside from a few contextual moments of us getting the better of them, we spent most of the game ducking and running from them. Yeah, we eventually prevailed at the end, but dammit if it wasn't a struggle, filled with many retreats and hard loss. Yes, but I never stopped believing we could defeat them. Then I united the galaxy for the final push. That felt good. However, I really don't want a repeat of the choices at the end with the trick the writers played that you couldn't remove the Reapers altogether without wiping out some of your allies and if you chose that option it was the red path of the ruthless, militaristic Shepard. Mind you the blue (paragon?) path wasn't much better, turning into the overlord tyrant of the galaxy, or the green middle road path of basically destroying all organic life in favour of some weird hybrid and making that decision on behalf of everyone else (bit of a Solas there and his plan to remove the Veil). Didn't mind about Shepard surviving or not so long as I ended the horror of the Reapers. Three games I had had those words of Sovereign ringing in my ears (although I showed that arrogant machine), then Harbinger trolling me at the end of ME2 and thinking of all the generations and different civilisations they had destroyed and what they were doing to everyone in ME3, and they sprang that one on us. So, I hope the writers on DAV who worked on the MET remember the outrage that caused and don't do something similar this time round.
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 19, 2024 2:00:16 GMT
I've never particularly liked Dragon Age villains. The Arishok and that's about it. Solas if he counts, maybe the Architect. So I admit my expectations for the blighted gods are low, although I'll be happy to be surprised. The writers did say they heard all the feedback and are taking it into account, and I assume that includes issues with Corypheus. In general, I just want the villain to feel present, rather than waiting in a castle drinking alcohol like a wine mom or sending us random vague dreams from their darkspawn cave or whatever. I guess Meredith also fits that bill, although the third act being so rushed doesn't help her case.
That we're introduced to the blighted gods in the intro instead of trying to keep them mysterious gives me some hope we're trending in the right direction.
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Post by theascendent on Aug 19, 2024 21:51:55 GMT
I am curious about the personalities of the Evanuris. I originally considered them dark versions of the Valar from Tolkien, but the more I thought about it, the more they are akin to Morgoth and Sauron. Morgoth/Melkor created countless monsters and allegedly corrupted some elves into becoming the first Orcs, Ghilan'nain likewise created monsters and may have had a hand in creating the Darkspawn. Sauron/Mairon was considered the first among the Maiar (lesser servants of the Valar) and sought to impose order on Middle-Earth and control all of its people, I am assuming the person who said the following "All the world will soon share the peace and comfort of my reign." in the 'Thedas Calls' trailer was Elgar'nan, and considering some of the stories about him which denote his controlling and tyrannical nature, he is basically what a successful Sauron would have done to the people of Middle Earth if he had succeeded.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 20, 2024 8:17:08 GMT
I am curious about the personalities of the Evanuris. I originally considered them dark versions of the Valar from Tolkien, but the more I thought about it, the more they are akin to Morgoth and Sauron. Morgoth/Melkor created countless monsters and allegedly corrupted some elves into becoming the first Orcs, Ghilan'nain likewise created monsters and may have had a hand in creating the Darkspawn. Sauron/Mairon was considered the first among the Maiar (lesser servants of the Valar) and sought to impose order on Middle-Earth and control all of its people, I am assuming the person who said the following "All the world will soon share the peace and comfort of my reign." in the 'Thedas Calls' trailer was Elgar'nan, and considering some of the stories about him which denote his controlling and tyrannical nature, he is basically what a successful Sauron would have done to the people of Middle Earth if he had succeeded. The power dynamic was a bit different with them though. Melkor/Morgoth was an actual Valar and originally part of the song that created the universe, whereas Sauron was Maiar who was subservient to the Valar. I think he joined up originally with Morgoth because that gave him greater status than he had enjoyed before and then after Morgoth's defeat he was offered a pardon if he would return and submit to the judgment of Manwe. Suspecting this would involve spending a period of time doing penance for his crimes and humbling himself, he stayed in Middle Earth because he didn't want to surrender what power he had enjoyed under Morgoth. Now Ghilan'nain may have created monsters but she was never as powerful as the other Evanuris originally or why would they be able to buy her off with the promise of improved rank? The other 7 might equate to a degree to the Valar in that they created the "World of the Elves" as Solas put it but really their status seemed to come from the fact that they were spirits that had crossed into the Waking World and taken on material forms, then assumed leadership in the war with the original inhabitants of that realm, the titans. Morgoth never really got any significant push back from the inhabitants of Middle Earth when he arrived. That came from the pursuing Noldor and eventually the Valar responding to the request for aid. However, I would agree that if Elgar'nan was the voice at the end of that trailer, he does probably equate to some degree to Sauron. However, the latter originally built up his power base in the 2nd Age by putting on a fair form and seducing various leaders with his promise of gifts that would give them knowledge and power. Only once he was revealed did he revert to more obvious aggression. Yet, when forced to submit to the might of the King of Numenor, he swapped back to his original strategy, bringing about their destruction by playing on their weakness (desire for immortality) and corrupting them from within. In some ways Solas reminds me more of Sauron as Anatar bearing in mind what the Evanuris said about him: "Beware the forms of Fen'Harel! The Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits. He will offer advice that seems fair, but turns slowly to poison." That was Sauron in the 2nd Age. To be honest, whatever they were in the past, the Evanuris now just seem wholly corrupt powerful beings with no redeeming features and intent on corrupting the entire world and making its inhabitants submit to their rule by force. So, a bunch of mini Morgoths.
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Post by rekkampum on Aug 22, 2024 2:40:06 GMT
I'm really hoping it will be different this time around given the implications. Like these people had to be locked in Fade Alcatraz just to be kept from becoming a threat whereas the daunting Archdaemons could still be reached by Darkspawn and despite their prominence, ultimately defeated despite the threats most of the ones have posed historically, which speaks volumes. They have the power of gods so we should constantly have moments of tension comparable to Haven(plenty of RL gods are heroes and/or villains who've been elevated to deific status including a few in my tradition so I still consider the Evanuris such in the context of Dalish societal beliefs). The Blight further complicates things if Solas' warnings are true, and based on the trailer, I'm highly inclined to think corrupted lyrium may also be involved based on how those "Darkspawn" creatures Harding petrified look with the bright red eyes and red clawed hands. I remember the book talked about the extinction of the Gryphons being tied to them being tainted by the Blight and I think we may have seen an example of one later as well as it was much different than a dragon in appearance. We'll see though.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2024 14:27:14 GMT
I remember the book talked about the extinction of the Gryphons being tied to them being tainted by the Blight and I think we may have seen an example of one later as well as it was much different than a dragon in appearance. We'll see though. The griffons was a peculiar case in that Isseya deliberately used blood magic on a griffon to persuade it to accept the Joining after it had become infected with the taint in the usual way and was simply going to die as had previously been the case. The griffons had a pathological hatred for blight creatures but for some reason this didn't extend to the Wardens themselves. Her blood magical control of its mind persuaded the griffon it was suffering from an ordinary disease after taking the Joining, when otherwise it would probably have self mutilated. However, it became even more aggressive towards darkspawn as a result, being almost uncontrollable if it got too close, although it also seemed to gain increased strength and stamina. In view of her "success" with the first griffon, the First Warden ordered her to put other griffons that were feeling the effects of their prolonged war against the darkspawn through the Joining but this had the effect of actually creating a griffon plague through the unforeseen effects of manipulating their minds with magic. So, when it comes to griffons, if tainted by the Blight, they will just die like any other creature and untainted griffons would kill them if they detect the corruption within them. So, I don't think those weird looking dragons were griffons, just looked abnormal because of the amount of corruption that had occurred which twisted their bodies and created cyst-like growths, which dragons seem to be able to withstand longer than normal creatures.
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Post by rekkampum on Aug 22, 2024 16:33:59 GMT
I remember the book talked about the extinction of the Gryphons being tied to them being tainted by the Blight and I think we may have seen an example of one later as well as it was much different than a dragon in appearance. We'll see though. The griffons was a peculiar case in that Isseya deliberately used blood magic on a griffon to persuade it to accept the Joining after it had become infected with the taint in the usual way and was simply going to die as had previously been the case. The griffons had a pathological hatred for blight creatures but for some reason this didn't extend to the Wardens themselves. Her blood magical control of its mind persuaded the griffon it was suffering from an ordinary disease after taking the Joining, when otherwise it would probably have self mutilated. However, it became even more aggressive towards darkspawn as a result, being almost uncontrollable if it got too close, although it also seemed to gain increased strength and stamina. In view of her "success" with the first griffon, the First Warden ordered her to put other griffons that were feeling the effects of their prolonged war against the darkspawn through the Joining but this had the effect of actually creating a griffon plague through the unforeseen effects of manipulating their minds with magic. So, when it comes to griffons, if tainted by the Blight, they will just die like any other creature and untainted griffons would kill them if they detect the corruption within them. So, I don't think those weird looking dragons were griffons, just looked abnormal because of the amount of corruption that had occurred which twisted their bodies and created cyst-like growths, which dragons seem to be able to withstand longer than normal creatures. I'm not talking about the dragon-like creatures at the end of the trailer. There was a creature whose skull and wings were entirely different in shape from a drake or high dragon's. That said it really just piqued my interest. There are so many things going on in it and then in the backstory.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2024 16:59:42 GMT
There was a creature whose skull and wings were entirely different in shape from a drake or high dragon's I know the one you mean. I did a double take when I first saw it and tainted griffon did cross my mind but it has a snout and teeth rather than a beak and I think it is the same "dragon" as is seen on the right hand side with blue veins at the end of the trailer. It does look weird for a dragon, particularly the fact it seems to lack horns or they are stunted in growth. However, I suppose that could be down to becoming tainted at an early stage in its growth, or may be it is another of Ghilan'nain's monsters of the air that she gifted to Andruil. People have assumed the tale meant griffons but perhaps it didn't. The Fog Dancers claim the griffons originated on Seheron, so unless Ghil had control of the whole island back then, it is possible they were just a naturally occurring hybrid creature. (I'm really not sure that biology and evolution work the same on Thedas). Thus, her "monsters of the air" may have been something completely different. They could not have been dragons because they already existed and were under the control of Mythal. It suppose it is possible that Ghil took a griffon and crossed it with a dragon, resulting in that weird monstrosity.
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Post by jennica on Aug 22, 2024 17:10:36 GMT
It does look weird for a dragon, particularly the fact it seems to lack horns or they are stunted in growth. There were hornless dragons in Inquisition.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2024 17:40:45 GMT
There were hornless dragons in Inquisition. Thanks for reminding me. Checking back it would seem the lack of horns is a feature of the cold dragons as even Hakkon didn't have them. So, that would fit with the dragon in the trailer being coloured blue because it is a cold dragon. Then it looks strange because it is covered in cysts, presumably as a reaction to the taint.
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Post by rekkampum on Aug 22, 2024 20:15:43 GMT
There was a creature whose skull and wings were entirely different in shape from a drake or high dragon's I know the one you mean. I did a double take when I first saw it and tainted griffon did cross my mind but it has a snout and teeth rather than a beak and I think it is the same "dragon" as is seen on the right hand side with blue veins at the end of the trailer. It does look weird for a dragon, particularly the fact it seems to lack horns or they are stunted in growth. However, I suppose that could be down to becoming tainted at an early stage in its growth, or may be it is another of Ghilan'nain's monsters of the air that she gifted to Andruil. People have assumed the tale meant griffons but perhaps it didn't. The Fog Dancers claim the griffons originated on Seheron, so unless Ghil had control of the whole island back then, it is possible they were just a naturally occurring hybrid creature. (I'm really not sure that biology and evolution work the same on Thedas). Thus, her "monsters of the air" may have been something completely different. They could not have been dragons because they already existed and were under the control of Mythal. It suppose it is possible that Ghil took a griffon and crossed it with a dragon, resulting in that weird monstrosity. Yeah I just checked and the one I saw had tendrils hanging down its neck (around the 2:17 mark) so it really weirded me out. I think if it's a dragon as it still has similar wings, it could be another species that has been affected since we mainly just saw High Dragons and their drake variants in Inquisition. But yeah, the body shape really set it apart for me. It could of course another example of the revamped art style though since they have changed the way quite a few creatures look (RIP Inquisition Pride demons!).
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