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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 23, 2024 23:15:10 GMT
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Post by Reznore on Oct 26, 2024 9:42:59 GMT
I propose this for Elgar'nan main theme. He's the only drama fueled romance I want.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 10:26:41 GMT
Thought we could use a picture for reference: You have to admit, compared with Ghil he looks positively normal. Likely that makes him all the more dangerous, because he is still relatively sane. That had to be his voice at the end of the 2023 trailer didn't it? "All will know the peace and comfort of my reign." Also, I can see lots of bling there so perhaps he was the original Lord of Fortune.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 26, 2024 10:29:19 GMT
Thought we could use a picture for reference: You have to admit, compared with Ghil he looks positively normal. Likely that makes him all the more dangerous, because he is still relatively sane. That had to be his voice at the end of the 2023 trailer didn't it? "All will know the peace and comfort of my reign." Also, I can see lots of bling there so perhaps he was the original Lord of Fortune. Would be interesting if he ends up either setting himself up as a solution to Ghil or starts trying to clean up after the damage she does even when working with her to win over the people.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 26, 2024 11:58:42 GMT
Reznore and that one artist on Twitter sharing the same brain cell regarding Elgar’daddy… I approve.
I like theory Elgar’nan is working with rogue Antaam in some fashion. If Ghil and darkspawn represent chaos, him and his faction represent order.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 14:43:48 GMT
I like theory Elgar’nan is working with rogue Antaam in some fashion. If Ghil and darkspawn represent chaos, him and his faction represent order. Hmm, I would rather that even if they start working together to take down the opposition eventually he turns on her. That would be in character for him because I suspect he was the one who really did the dirty on Mythal. I could even see him trying to talk round Rook into supporting him because he will help get rid of Ghil, then attempt to double cross Rook as well. There has been so much focus on Ghil in the trailers and game play, I have this sneaky suspicion that he is going to be the ultimate sting in the tail. That's what I mean about him seeming less threatening than Ghil on the face of it but being the really dangerous one. In fact, I'd be highly disappointed if he wasn't. It would be like the disappointment with the wasted potential of Corypheus all over again.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 27, 2024 2:47:43 GMT
I like theory Elgar’nan is working with rogue Antaam in some fashion. If Ghil and darkspawn represent chaos, him and his faction represent order. Hmm, I would rather that even if they start working together to take down the opposition eventually he turns on her. That would be in character for him because I suspect he was the one who really did the dirty on Mythal. I could even see him trying to talk round Rook into supporting him because he will help get rid of Ghil, then attempt to double cross Rook as well. There has been so much focus on Ghil in the trailers and game play, I have this sneaky suspicion that he is going to be the ultimate sting in the tail. That's what I mean about him seeming less threatening than Ghil on the face of it but being the really dangerous one. In fact, I'd be highly disappointed if he wasn't. It would be like the disappointment with the wasted potential of Corypheus all over again. Absolutely. We know Evanuris fought amongst each other all the time, I could see them splintering at some point. Their egos are too huge to maintain a stable alliance.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 27, 2024 7:43:23 GMT
Absolutely. We know Evanuris fought amongst each other all the time, I could see them splintering at some point. Their egos are too huge to maintain a stable alliance. Also, remember how the "sinner" appealed to Mythal for clemency and when she refused his plea he was handed over to Elgar'nan for punishment? I have the feeling that you really didn't want to have that happen. Also, he was the one who banished the Forbidden Ones, so he did seem to be the ultimate authority figure back then. I'm still working to the theory that he probably teamed up with Ghil originally to oust Mythal but behind he scenes so it would appear like he had nothing to do with it. However, Mythal guess the truth of it and it is Elgar'nan that she wants the final reckoning with.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Oct 27, 2024 18:23:57 GMT
I wonder what his personality is. Presumably Falon'Din is his son who according to Solas has been known for vanity and desire for worshipers. What if those traits were inherited from his dad?
I want him to be cunty.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 27, 2024 18:33:35 GMT
I wonder what his personality is. Presumably Falon'Din is his son who according to Solas has been known for vanity and desire for worshipers. What if those traits were inherited from his dad? I want him to be cunty. He's the god of vengeance? Kind of guy you don't want around cause on top of the vengeance issue, has anger issues. The legend said he defeated something big, his father like figure, the "Sun", he's known as the Sun killer. Dwarves never got over whatever Elgar'nan did to them, they still fear the sky, the sun and the outside. And it's been thousand and thousand of years. He's supposed to have been the first elven god. So he's the oldest godlike figure walking Thedas, if you put aside the Titans. He's got a don't fuck with him type of personality.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 27, 2024 19:01:40 GMT
I wonder what his personality is. Presumably Falon'Din is his son who according to Solas has been known for vanity and desire for worshipers. What if those traits were inherited from his dad? I want him to be cunty. He's the god of vengeance? Kind of guy you don't want around cause on top of the vengeance issue, has anger issues. The legend said he defeated something big, his father like figure, the "Sun", he's known as the Sun killer. Dwarves never got over whatever Elgar'nan did to them, they still fear the sky, the sun and the outside. And it's been thousand and thousand of years. He's supposed to have been the first elven god. So he's the oldest godlike figure walking Thedas, if you put aside the Titans. He's got a don't fuck with him type of personality. Sexy.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 27, 2024 20:33:17 GMT
It is possible Elgar'nan is the one who defeated the Old Gods and trapped them underground. Like Solas, he very possibly shaped Thedas in ways that are hard to picture. (also Mythal probably swooped in and save some stuff that had to be saved for Thedas to go on, so she's probably been the unsung hero all along, just got murdered 2/3 times for her effort, poor gal hanging with ungrateful windbags) But yeah he's also a sexy daddy who will bring us the peace and comfort of his reign.
We shall see in DATV.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 28, 2024 8:09:19 GMT
I wonder what his personality is. Presumably Falon'Din is his son who according to Solas has been known for vanity and desire for worshipers. What if those traits were inherited from his dad? Well according to Trespasser there was very nearly a showdown between the pair of them. Mythal intervened and suggested they used champions to decide the issue instead of embarking on a full scale war, so it is entirely possible that Falon'Din was just a chip off the old block. However, notice how at that time both of them differed to Mythal's adjudication and accepted her decree on the matter. I think the other gods just got fed up at her limiting them eventually and that is why they all ganged up on her. However, I think the whole family relationships thing is just wishful thinking on the part of the Dalish. I know families don't always get on but they really don't strike me as being connected in that way. Probably Mythal was seen as a sort of mother figure in ancient times and that is why the Dalish later thought that meant the other gods were her children in the literal sense, whereas it was probably more in a matriarchal sense in how she ruled over and disciplined them. You will notice how the stories in her Temple (which were likely biased) always seem to have her dealing with problems when one or other of the gods got a bit too full of themselves. Nevertheless, I do like the idea that they were the original mother and father of the gods. Mythal has to deal with the day to day problems of keeping the family in order but with always the ultimate threat "Just wait until your father gets home!"
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 28, 2024 8:13:34 GMT
He's the god of vengeance? Kind of guy you don't want around cause on top of the vengeance issue, has anger issues. I think this inscription from the Temple of Mythal sums him up pretty well: Elgar'nan, Wrath and Thunder, Give us glory. Give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities. Strike the usurpers with your lightning. Burn the ground under your gaze. Bring Winged Death against those who throw down our work. I reckon there was probably a lot of Winged Death by Elgar'nan which is why no one in their right mind would challenge him. Falon'Din did but then he was probably crazy too.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 28, 2024 8:16:56 GMT
He's the god of vengeance? Kind of guy you don't want around cause on top of the vengeance issue, has anger issues. I think this inscription from the Temple of Mythal sums him up pretty well: Elgar'nan, Wrath and Thunder, Give us glory. Give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities. Strike the usurpers with your lightning. Burn the ground under your gaze. Bring Winged Death against those who throw down our work. I reckon there was probably a lot of Winged Death by Elgar'nan which is why no one in their right mind would challenge him. Falon'Din did but then he was probably crazy too. Gervaise, I'm trying to stay motivated to play the old Rook who has to deal with that. Like if it were me I'll be buying my ticket for Across the Sea, and so Long Thedas. Good luck getting Elgar'naned.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 28, 2024 8:45:47 GMT
A couple of ideas. Something about the big green skeleton makes me think Elgar'nan rather than Ghil may be behind its animation. Referring back to that duel between their respective champions, the codex never says what Elgar'nan got as a result of his champion beating Falon'Din's. Perhaps he got the necromancy portfolio and that is why Falon'Din went on a blood thirsty rampage as a result because he no longer had his undead followers to worship him. Also, when it comes to reused assets, the moment I saw that big skeleton rise up like it did, it immediately made me think of ME2 and the human Reaper. I know they don't look exactly the same but I bet the game mechanics animating them are very similar. It will be interesting to see whether the battle is a call back to that boss fight.
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 28, 2024 14:22:35 GMT
After reading through the elven language on the wiki, I suspect that Elgar'nan is a title, same as Fen'Harel. I wonder if we'll be finding out what his real name is.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 29, 2024 8:19:57 GMT
I wonder if we'll be finding out what his real name is. Do we ever learn what Solas' real name is? According to Rasaan in Tevinter Nights it wasn't Solas. I was really looking forward to a quest searching for his true name. Perhaps that will still happen and it is one of the optional side-quests. So, in that case, perhaps in the course of finding Solas' true name, we find the true names of the other gods as well. Still, "Spirit of Vengeance" does acknowledge that he was originally a spirit and the story the Dalish tell about him does sound very much like vengeance was his driving force. However, before the Sun destroyed the things he loved perhaps he was something else. Perhaps he was some combination of Joy and Love but to be honest I doubt it. However, the Dalish do call them collectively the Creators. I think that may give a clue as to what they were before they became the Evanuris (Leaders). After all, Ghil was apparently all about creation originally but then that drive to create things got warped and corrupted. Perhaps that was true of the others as well. So when they first manifested in the Waking World they were all creative spirits of one sort or another. Then it was when his creations and that of his fellow creators were destroyed that he became the leader in exacting vengeance against the Earth (Titans) that had done this, probably not even deliberately but just through being disturbed by all the magic being used.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 29, 2024 10:14:22 GMT
Thought we could use a picture for reference: Added to OP, thank you.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 31, 2024 17:02:22 GMT
Based on how little I like what I've seen of rook and his band of veil guards. I'm definitely leaning to be on team elgar'nan. Hopefully there's a bad ending where they win.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 31, 2024 17:18:16 GMT
Based on how little I like what I've seen of rook and his band of veil kids I'm definitely leaning to be on team elgar'nan. Hopefully there's a bad ending where they win. I don't think that is possible. However, you can do a disaster run where lots of people die. I gather it is very like ME2 suicide run in that respect.
Besides it would seem the bad guys in this game are even worse and more disappointing than Corypheus was whether in the Fade memories or the present day narrative. Well, apart from a certain big bad wolf. Have had a few personal theories vindicated concerning him.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 31, 2024 18:37:16 GMT
Based on how little I like what I've seen of rook and his band of veil kids I'm definitely leaning to be on team elgar'nan. Hopefully there's a bad ending where they win. I don't think that is possible. However, you can do a disaster run where lots of people die. I gather it is very like ME2 suicide run in that respect.
Besides it would seem the bad guys in this game are even worse and more disappointing than Corypheus was whether in the Fade memories or the present day narrative. Well, apart from a certain big bad wolf. Have had a few personal theories vindicated concerning him. Boo. An ending where rook and co are still lauded as saviours isn’t a disaster imo. I was hoping for a true failure ending
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 31, 2024 18:55:02 GMT
Boo. An ending where rook and co are still lauded as saviours isn’t a disaster imo. I was hoping for a true failure ending I've now seen the 100% ending and in some ways I prefer that because instead of Rook being sucked in with him, they just get the pleasure of saying that they tricked the trickster and then just shove him in the Fade. Presumably he'll be left for all eternity wherever he was sent having to live with the fact that he was outsmarted by someone like Rook,not the sharpest tool in the shed from what I've been seeing. That is kinda poetic justice It is near enough the ending I wanted because I said I didn't just want to kill him but outwit him and for him to know it. I just wish there had been a bit more agency in it, so Rook figured it out for themselves rather than being told what they needed to do. So, I'm happy and I didn't have to spend my money and 50 plus hours of my life to get there. It's a win/win so far as I am concerned.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Nov 1, 2024 11:27:37 GMT
Elgar'nan is voiced by Joseph Capp . who also voiced True Soul Nere in Baldur's Gate 3. I find this hilarious for some reason.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 1, 2024 15:21:57 GMT
#Elgar'nandidnothingwrong
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