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Post by Walter Black on Nov 5, 2016 18:26:50 GMT
When skimming bsn.boards.net/thread/1982/childfree-inquisitor-love-interest, I started thinking about the opposite end, the fact that Bioware has never allowed players to be able to explore being parents. Sure, you can procreate (Aerie or Rasaad in Baldur's Gate, Morrigan and/or the Dwarven Noble Hunter in Origins), but you never intereact with your offspring in any meaningful way. We can roleplay our relationships with parents, siblings, friends and lovers, but not kids. Yes, I realize most Bioware games* don't give an adventurer enough time to properly raise a child or two, but why can't we adopt any orphans Thedas inevitably creates? Skyrim's Hearthfire did, and The Wild Hunt's prologue let players bond with young Ciri. Given Bioware preference on companion interaction, I'm sure they could better flesh out such a storyline. What's the point of your hero raising some brat, you ask? Well, what's the point of romance, or friendship? Neither are strictly necessary to the story of saving the world, but their inclusion can help enrich it. Maybe the child has special lineage and/or powers, or maybe they're just a random orphan that you could train to become someone important. If the game spans enough time, maybe they could be proper party member with the skills you taught them. For all those who worry about being "forced" into being a parent, like with all Companions I agree this content should be completely optional. So would anyone here like to raise the next generation of heroes? *Given it's timeframe and more personal focus, it seemed Dragon Age 2 had the perfect set up to allow Hawke to adopt and raise some war orphan. If only...
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 5, 2016 18:59:48 GMT
When skimming bsn.boards.net/thread/1982/childfree-inquisitor-love-interest, I started thinking about the opposite end, the fact that Bioware has never allowed players to be able to explore being parents. Sure, you can procreate (Aerie or Rasaad in Baldur's Gate, Morrigan and/or the Dwarven Noble Hunter in Origins), but you never intereact with your offspring in any meaningful way. We can roleplay our relationships with parents, siblings, friends and lovers, but not kids. Yes, I realize most Bioware games* don't give an adventurer enough time to properly raise a child or two, but why can't we adopt any orphans Thedas inevitably creates? Skyrim's Hearthfire did, and The Wild Hunt's prologue let players bond with young Ciri. Given Bioware preference on companion interaction, I'm sure they could better flesh out such a storyline. What's the point of your hero raising some brat, you ask? Well, what's the point of romance, or friendship? Neither are strictly necessary to the story of saving the world, but their inclusion can help enrich it. Maybe the child has special lineage and/or powers, or maybe they're just a random orphan that you could train to become someone important. If the game spans enough time, maybe they could be proper party member with the skills you taught them. For all those who worry about being "forced" into being a parent, like with all Companions I agree this content should be completely optional. So would anyone here like to raise the next generation of heroes? *Given it's timeframe and more personal focus, it seemed Dragon Age 2 had the perfect set up to allow Hawke to adopt and raise some war orphan. If only... Given that I wish we had more Geralt and Ciri interaction in TW3, I think this would be an interesting thing to explore a DA game. If the new PC is recruited into the cause by Leliana, for instance, I think it could make sense to have the option of your PC already having a family. Maybe a return to the origin stories of DAO, and some of the origins include a spouse and/or children. It would be an interesting opening into a side quest at some point to save the family, or evacuate them, or liberate them, or to recruit an older teen offspring, or whatever.
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Post by phoray on Nov 5, 2016 19:20:50 GMT
You mean, Cole isn't my child?
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Post by vertigomez on Nov 5, 2016 19:42:06 GMT
I have a hard time romancing Morrigan simply 'cause I know that results in Kieran, and it's hard for me to imagine all the responsibilities that go into raising a twelve-year-old, much less one with an Old God soul and Flemeth for a grandmother. But I don't want kids IRL, so that probably bleeds into my roleplaying a bit. I always thought my older Cadash had a young son squirreled away somewhere. Imagine Blackwall's surprise. I think it would be interesting to play an older PC who has a teenage or young adult child, but given how many players prefer to play characters in their twenties and thirties (or who only want to have kids with their chosen LI, no mysterious ex in the picture), I don't think this is terribly likely. But I don't think I'd want to deal with an actual kid over the course of the game. How would you not spend all your time worrying that they're going to be killed, or kidnapped for leverage or something like that? They're a kid and unless we're in a shounen series, totally helpless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 20:15:09 GMT
I headcount that my Canon Lavellan has one daughter (no, my Rogue Lavellan isn't her mother; it's more like the Third was, before she died before giving birth) Oh, and I also headcount that my Male Mage Trevelyan had three children in total (twin boys and one girl) and so, was unhappy when the Chantry took them away from him. I headcount that my Rogue Lavellan was a mum to six children (one being her bio daughter, the rest adoptees; she's my Canon Lavellan's EX Wife... awkward... )
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Nov 5, 2016 22:23:43 GMT
Bioware allowed you to be a father in one of the Balder's Gate or Neverwinter Knights games, but only to a newborn you probably have zero interaction with.
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Post by phoray on Nov 5, 2016 22:29:53 GMT
The Lavellan I have planned has 2 kids, 18 and 20, and she's like 40-50 years old. Part of the reason the clan being in danger is such a stress to her.
But I wouldn't want to be a PC hero with small children.
But regarding people playing 20-30 year olds, some of the Origins require you to be young. You can't have JUST had your Harrowing at 30, let alone older. The city elf is about to be married off, so has to be prime breeding age. And the Brosca sister is hot and young enough to attract a Prince.
Leandra Hawke ran away from Kirkwall with her apostate lover "25 years ago". Meaning you could be as young as 25 and as old as 26. Very short age window.
And, in general, can you really be a total smuck for 50 years and then suddenly become epic awesome hero? Usually, it's a powerful young person coming into their full strength.
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Post by Ponendus on Nov 5, 2016 23:18:47 GMT
I agree with OP. I think it is a really interesting dynamic that could be added to the PC's experience and allow for some really interesting companion interactions and roleplaying around that. If any company could dare to tackle that, it would be BioWare. I say do eeeet!
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Post by Catilina on Nov 5, 2016 23:39:16 GMT
If Hawke would have adopted one-two childs, they would have killed by some crazy Mage, Templar or Carta thug, or would have sold them into slavery... as I know Bioware's writers.
But yes, it is a good idea.
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 6, 2016 0:41:42 GMT
The Lavellan I have planned has 2 kids, 18 and 20, and she's like 40-50 years old. Part of the reason the clan being in danger is such a stress to her. But I wouldn't want to be a PC hero with small children. But regarding people playing 20-30 year olds, some of the Origins require you to be young. You can't have JUST had your Harrowing at 30, let alone older. The city elf is about to be married off, so has to be prime breeding age. And the Brosca sister is hot and young enough to attract a Prince. Leandra Hawke ran away from Kirkwall with her apostate lover "25 years ago". Meaning you could be as young as 25 and as old as 26. Very short age window. And, in general, can you really be a total smuck for 50 years and then suddenly become epic awesome hero? Usually, it's a powerful young person coming into their full strength. With the Inquisitor, why not? We know Hawke has to be a 20-something for story reasons, and the DAO Origins, as you said, often require a younger character. But the Inquisitor just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, schmuck or otherwise. No reason why Quizzy can't be older. As for the DA4 PC, it depends how BW introduces them. If it's someone Leliana recruits to spy on Solas, or work undercover in Tevinter, or whatever, then it makes sense for the character to be older rather than younger. If the new PC is another, "hey, here's a magic plot device!" character, then they could really be any age.
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Post by phoray on Nov 6, 2016 0:44:51 GMT
The Lavellan I have planned has 2 kids, 18 and 20, and she's like 40-50 years old. Part of the reason the clan being in danger is such a stress to her. But I wouldn't want to be a PC hero with small children. But regarding people playing 20-30 year olds, some of the Origins require you to be young. You can't have JUST had your Harrowing at 30, let alone older. The city elf is about to be married off, so has to be prime breeding age. And the Brosca sister is hot and young enough to attract a Prince. Leandra Hawke ran away from Kirkwall with her apostate lover "25 years ago". Meaning you could be as young as 25 and as old as 26. Very short age window. And, in general, can you really be a total smuck for 50 years and then suddenly become epic awesome hero? Usually, it's a powerful young person coming into their full strength. With the Inquisitor, why not? We know Hawke has to be a 20-something for story reasons, and the DAO Origins, as you said, often require a younger character. But the Inquisitor just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, schmuck or otherwise. No reason why Quizzy can't be older. As for the DA4 PC, it depends how BW introduces them. If it's someone Leliana recruits to spy on Solas, or work undercover in Tevinter, or whatever, then it makes sense for the character to be older rather than younger. If the new PC is another, "hey, here's a magic plot device!" character, then they could really be any age. True about the quiz. But I'd like to avoid magical anchor plots that require your arm to be severed in the future. Quiz is too good at everything. :/
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 6, 2016 0:46:57 GMT
With the Inquisitor, why not? We know Hawke has to be a 20-something for story reasons, and the DAO Origins, as you said, often require a younger character. But the Inquisitor just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, schmuck or otherwise. No reason why Quizzy can't be older. As for the DA4 PC, it depends how BW introduces them. If it's someone Leliana recruits to spy on Solas, or work undercover in Tevinter, or whatever, then it makes sense for the character to be older rather than younger. If the new PC is another, "hey, here's a magic plot device!" character, then they could really be any age. True about the quiz. But I'd like to avoid magical anchor plots that require your arm to be severed in the future. Quiz is too good at everything. :/ Yeah, I didn't mean that as a good thing I just mean that it opens up the character to be...anyone, really. I'd rather the next PC be a bit more purposeful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 0:57:34 GMT
The Lavellan I have planned has 2 kids, 18 and 20, and she's like 40-50 years old. Part of the reason the clan being in danger is such a stress to her. But I wouldn't want to be a PC hero with small children. But regarding people playing 20-30 year olds, some of the Origins require you to be young. You can't have JUST had your Harrowing at 30, let alone older. The city elf is about to be married off, so has to be prime breeding age. And the Brosca sister is hot and young enough to attract a Prince. Leandra Hawke ran away from Kirkwall with her apostate lover "25 years ago". Meaning you could be as young as 25 and as old as 26. Very short age window. And, in general, can you really be a total smuck for 50 years and then suddenly become epic awesome hero? Usually, it's a powerful young person coming into their full strength. With the Inquisitor, why not? We know Hawke has to be a 20-something for story reasons, and the DAO Origins, as you said, often require a younger character. But the Inquisitor just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, schmuck or otherwise. No reason why Quizzy can't be older. As for the DA4 PC, it depends how BW introduces them. If it's someone Leliana recruits to spy on Solas, or work undercover in Tevinter, or whatever, then it makes sense for the character to be older rather than younger. If the new PC is another, "hey, here's a magic plot device!" character, then they could really be any age. My next PC is my youngest yet.. my Warden was 24 years old during my blight... My Hawke was around 20-ish.. My Lavellan is the oldest one, being 31 years old... And so, my next PC is gonna be 18 years old and have no kids, unlike my Lavellan..
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 6, 2016 1:01:13 GMT
With the Inquisitor, why not? We know Hawke has to be a 20-something for story reasons, and the DAO Origins, as you said, often require a younger character. But the Inquisitor just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, schmuck or otherwise. No reason why Quizzy can't be older. As for the DA4 PC, it depends how BW introduces them. If it's someone Leliana recruits to spy on Solas, or work undercover in Tevinter, or whatever, then it makes sense for the character to be older rather than younger. If the new PC is another, "hey, here's a magic plot device!" character, then they could really be any age. My next PC is my youngest yet.. my Warden was 24 years old during my blight... My Hawke was around 20-ish.. My Lavellan is the oldest one, being 31 years old... And so, my next PC is gonna be 18 years old and have no kids, unlike my Lavellan.. My Trevelyan was 18 or 19 as well, and while it can be fun to play a "coming of age" character, I liked my slightly older (30's) Lavellan better. My Cadash is going to be late 30's to early 40's...positively grizzled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 2:10:25 GMT
My next PC is my youngest yet.. my Warden was 24 years old during my blight... My Hawke was around 20-ish.. My Lavellan is the oldest one, being 31 years old... And so, my next PC is gonna be 18 years old and have no kids, unlike my Lavellan.. My Trevelyan was 18 or 19 as well, and while it can be fun to play a "coming of age" character, I liked my slightly older (30's) Lavellan better. My Cadash is going to be late 30's to early 40's...positively grizzled. Ah, lol. My Female Trevie was 26 years old. My Male Trev was 21 years old (just having his kids merely a year ago), and my Cadash was 19 years old. Okay, so my Cadash is my youngest PC.
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Post by Prince on Nov 6, 2016 3:15:19 GMT
It's a gaming experience that I already had in Hearthfire(DLC for Skyrim)and Fable 3 and it was really boring.
It's not a thing for me and that's way I don't really miss Kieran in DAI.
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Post by secretrare on Nov 6, 2016 3:20:59 GMT
I don't want a child i would prefer a kitty.
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Post by phoray on Nov 6, 2016 3:41:44 GMT
I don't want a child i would prefer a kitty. Mabari hound for the win
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Post by vertigomez on Nov 6, 2016 4:07:32 GMT
But regarding people playing 20-30 year olds, some of the Origins require you to be young. You can't have JUST had your Harrowing at 30, let alone older. The city elf is about to be married off, so has to be prime breeding age. And the Brosca sister is hot and young enough to attract a Prince. Leandra Hawke ran away from Kirkwall with her apostate lover "25 years ago". Meaning you could be as young as 25 and as old as 26. Very short age window. And, in general, can you really be a total smuck for 50 years and then suddenly become epic awesome hero? Usually, it's a powerful young person coming into their full strength. Just echoing what was said, but: Hawke and the Warden were definitely young, but there's no reason the Inquisitor has to be. Or future protagonists, for that matter. And since the Quis is such a blank slate, they could have a past as notable as Cassandra's, as dark as Blackwall's, as traumatizing as Bull's... all of whom are older, but still heroic. They don't have to be a no-name schmuck before the events of the game.
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Post by SilentK on Nov 10, 2016 15:21:58 GMT
Hmm.... I don't feel that my stories in Thedas and Mass Effect are really the right place for me to play out having a family. Having a toddler at home, I just cannot see my Quizzy juggling being toddler-mom and saviour of the world at the same time. I wouldn't really like having said pixel-kiddo and leaving he/she at the castle with my favorite mabari and scamper off either. This is one of the reasons I haven't romanced Blackwall yet, and I really love the calm, kind and yet funny man. I just find it so difficult to move past his previous history. Will try to see that romance one day. It is also that if I want to play pixel-family I got the Sims right there on my Origin. Together with playground, great toys and school activities. Jupp, that's one of my little things. Sometimes I like to be badass FemShep, my hero going into the fray. And sometimes, mostly when RL is a little bit rough I prefer to just take things really really slow in the Sims. Then people often have very specific ideas on how children should be raised. Me and my husband shared parental leave so both of us could keep our jobs. What do people do in Thedas. Quizzy and Cullen take turns to go out into the world, everynow and then they meet up for dinner in Orlais, "we really should try to get away, just you and me more often", lol But I loved having that close connection with Carver and Bethany, so so kind of closer relationship with a person in the game would be a lot of fun. Having a niece or nephew perhaps, a close familial bond without the actual parent-stuff. Would work very well for me. I just think that there would be much much written about the PC and how they did the parenting as well. With perhaps different results to male and female PC. I just don't want to see that discussion play out in my beloved gaming-life and gaming-forum. It can be so ugly in RL allready. I would stick with close familial bonds but not actual children in these games. Just my opinion Edit: Spelling. Wrote lose instead of close in one place.
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