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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2016 22:59:54 GMT
Well, we are the best looking one. We are we have the best of everything. haha. What ads are those? themikefest market testing favors humans for apparel ads That's right. excellent. Humanity #1
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 7, 2016 23:22:09 GMT
All this humanity first talk sounds like a bunch of Illusive Man jibber jabber.
Does this confirm IT?
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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2016 23:23:32 GMT
It confirms the asari aren't first
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Post by Silvery on Nov 7, 2016 23:25:36 GMT
I was wondering at the end of the reveal trailer where the villain guy, says "Now I known what makes you special", if that is meant to refer to Ryder or humans in general. Hope it is the former, as reusing both humans and main character are special again would be overkill imo.
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 7, 2016 23:28:30 GMT
I'm okay with a bit of HFY. Hopefully they won't be too hamfisted in pushing their 'Colonialism is evil' message and allow the renegades to always put the Milky Way species first. Let me colonize Andromeda and I'll be like
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 23:34:02 GMT
It confirms the asari aren't first Well ... without a secret Prothean archive to jump start their science and technology many centuries beyond the other sapient species of the cycle ...
The Asari would still be trying to learn how to count without using their fingers and their toes.
Of course, that still gives them a scientific and mathematical advantage over the Turians and Quarians.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2016 23:37:18 GMT
It confirms the asari aren't first Well ... without a secret Prothean archive to jump start their science and technology many centuries beyond the other sapient species of the cycle ...
The Asari would still be trying to learn how to count without using their fingers and their toes. They may be able to count toes, but it didn't teach them to reveal that artifact earlier
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 7, 2016 23:37:21 GMT
It confirms the asari aren't first Well ... without a secret Prothean archive to jump start their science and technology many centuries beyond the other sapient species of the cycle ...
The Asari would still be trying to learn how to count without using their fingers and their toes.
Of course, that still gives them a scientific and mathematical advantage over the Turians and Quarians.
Don't forget the Protheans (Athame) semi-uplifting them. Or rather, taking pity on them. I guess they weren't as tasty as Salarians.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 23:40:01 GMT
Well ... without a secret Prothean archive to jump start their science and technology many centuries beyond the other sapient species of the cycle ...
The Asari would still be trying to learn how to count without using their fingers and their toes.
Of course, that still gives them a scientific and mathematical advantage over the Turians and Quarians.
Don't forget the Protheans (Athame) semi-uplifting them. Or rather, taking pity on them. I guess they weren't as tasty as Salarians. My guess is, it was not nearly as much fun for the Protheans to "embrace eternity" with the Salarians.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 7, 2016 23:42:40 GMT
From the looks of it, I think the video is just the Human specific Ark because she mentions "Most of you will be aboard the Human Ark Hyperion".
I do hope this isn't another primarily Human focused thing.
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 8, 2016 0:01:05 GMT
Don't forget the Protheans (Athame) semi-uplifting them. Or rather, taking pity on them. I guess they weren't as tasty as Salarians. My guess is, it was not nearly as much fun for the Protheans to "embrace eternity" with the Salarians. From what we learned in the games I always assumed that the Protheans genetically engineered the Asari to be natural biotics and to get a bastardization of their mind-meld ability. Whether it was to uplift them and integrate them into the empire or as a fail-safe against the Reapers. So while the Salarians were still catching flies with their tongues and were hunted as delicacies, the Asari had already achieved sentience and were helped along. On an unrelated note, why did they make the asari companion so weird-looking?
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Post by dalinne on Nov 8, 2016 0:11:28 GMT
I hope the plot twist is we are the bad guys. Just for a change
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Post by Vortex13 on Nov 8, 2016 1:04:34 GMT
I have to just pipe in with my Unpopular Opinion and say that if they actually build it up just to deconstruct / offer some criticism of it later (and I think the "We are the aliens" line in the trailer kinda hints at that), I don't mind starting the game from the "humanity first" perspective - or even if that's one of the gameplay / moral stances you can take in the game. The one thing that annoyed me about how Cerberus was handled in ME2 & ME3 is that their ideology of human exceptionalism is explicitly constructed as evil and wrong... while the humanity IS doing most of the work, pulling all the alliances together and fighting a lost battle to gather time so Shepard can wring the other aliens to work together like a bag of hungry and angry cats. The story claims one thing and story proclaims another - and ultimately, the debate has no room to take place, except for a handful of discussions in ME2. And let's not forget about the whole human Reaper and humanity is special Harbinger dialogue... ugh. Not a fan. IMO, it would be much better if they start with a non-explicit ideological assumption - "humanity first" - and then put it and its criticism into real test in terms of story and in gameplay and let the player decide if they / their Ryder ends up agreeing with that assumption, or ends up rejecting it. Agreed. I found all the human centricity and "humans are special" tropes to be quite aggravating throughout the trilogy. It really doesn't help that the alien (Khet I'm assuming) bad guy specifically said "Now I know what makes you special." in the announcement trailer either. The thing is, BioWare keeps trying to sell me on the fact that humanity is the underdog here, that we have to fight for everything but I have yet to see anything in the previous games or in Andromeda's marketing campaign that points to that being the case. Humanity has always come out ahead in the narrative. Whether though our superior genetics, or our seeming monopoly on the 'ingenuity' trait. I mean, we come onto the galactic scene and in less then 30 years we have an embassy on the Citadel (our own seperate office too), we are out preforming the Volus economically (despite the other being the ones who created the rules for and have been in charge of interstellar finances for thousands of years), our medical experts are able to fabricate a substance that works across species lines and is used as a universal medical supply (despite the rest of the galaxy interacting with each other and having access to over thousands more years worth of xenobiology experience), we can outsmart the Turians in military combat (despite that being their 'hat' and we are the only species in existence apparently smart enough to think of the concept for carrier ships), our information gathering and espionage methods of small terrorist cells can outdo the combined abilities of the entire Salarian's government (despite that being their 'hat'), and we can create biotic super soldiers on par with anything the Asari could possibly come up with, and we are far better diplomats (both of which are supposed to be their 'hats'). Etc. The whole "genetic superiority" bit was just the final nail in the coffin really. It's like in the Mass Effect universe, all those 'scientific' ideologies from the turn of the 20th century were in fact correct, and there is indeed a ' master race'. Really, I don't know why groups like Cerberus and Terra Firma push so hard for human exceptionalism; the science of the setting agrees with you. Humans are superior. It's like running around screaming to all passers by that water is wet. It's an understood fact and all they are doing is wasting narrative resources trying to convince the player something that is already obvious. If you are looking for the true underdogs of the Mass Effect setting, I would point you to the Elcor and Hanar. Two species that have been a part of the galactic community for longer then humanity has been capable of manned flight, and yet they aren't granted their own embassy on the Citadel. Both aliens have done nothing to other species of society, they haven't violently seized territory, nor have they attempted to wage war on societies less powerful then them; heck the Hanar took it upon themselves to rescue another society from extinction. And yet, they are openly mocked and ridiculed for their appearance and manner of speech;despite both of them speaking like that to assist other aliens in understanding them. To top it off, these two alien races are considered so worthless in the eyes of the galaxy that they could all die off and not one person would bate an eye. I mean if your resident Space Jesus literally says "They brought them on themselves." as an excuse to let the Hanar all die when an indoctrinated ambassador comprises the defense network of their entire homeworld you know you have a problem. When the Elcor diplomat looking for help evacuating the homeworld of Dekuna is literally ignored by everyone, including Space Jesus (if so inclined) without so much as a passing glance, you know you're screwed. God help you if you are born as either of these two races in this universe.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 10, 2016 5:27:29 GMT
*deep sigh* I knew BioWare is lazy for creating a humancentric-hero-saves-the-day cliché. Are they really that lazy to not come up with something new?? I mean really?? It's comes to a point where BioWare can't be taken serious anymore ever since they screwed up the ending, they shut the forum down, and people are leaving like rats on a sinking ship. Yep it's all over for BioWare.
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