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Post by Petroshenko on Nov 7, 2016 21:37:11 GMT
I guess it's rather safe to assume Nexus will be the new main hub. Looks pretty: Though the size of it... I say they're REALLY pushing it with megastructures like this being build during Trilogy era. Even Omega wasn't fully manmade
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:47:57 GMT
Spitballing, because that's mostly we're doing at this point ...
In addition to filling the role of the Citadel in the governing sense ...
The Nexus would eventually become a mass relay, which is how the "regular link" between the MWG and the AG would come about.
Its current state is incomplete, from the perspective of filling both roles, but the plans exist (in my head canon).
The idea from the planner's perspective is that they would complete the Nexus after securing their Helios Cluster foothold in Andromeda.
So instead of two arms, eventually it would have four or six arms.
No sarcasm, Arcian can probably explain why this won't work, with respect to canon and lore.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 7, 2016 21:50:25 GMT
Suddenly we can build ships in the scale of the Citadel...
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Post by Petroshenko on Nov 7, 2016 21:52:28 GMT
Suddenly we can build ships in the scale of the Citadel... It does make the Crucible retroactively more plausible though, I see what you did there Bioware
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Post by Garo on Nov 7, 2016 21:58:45 GMT
Maybe it's more Destiny Ascension size tho.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 7, 2016 22:00:11 GMT
Maybe it's more Destiny Ascension size tho. If that in the middle of the ring is an Ark, then no.
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Post by Petroshenko on Nov 7, 2016 22:01:00 GMT
Maybe it's more Destiny Ascension size tho. No way, the Arks are already dozen times bigger than Alliance Dreadnaughts which ain't THAT much smaller compared to Asari fleet
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Post by Petroshenko on Nov 7, 2016 22:01:52 GMT
Maybe it's more Destiny Ascension size tho. If that in the middle of the ring is an Ark, then no. Definitely the Arks, Nexus is enromous
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Post by Garo on Nov 7, 2016 22:06:28 GMT
Hm...SO HOW!?
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Post by armass81 on Nov 7, 2016 22:23:10 GMT
The crucible was considered a " a massive undertaking drawing on resources throughout the galaxy. Staggering financial costs are disregarded in the common effort to create something, anything, that could stop the Reapers. "
Yet they built this huge thing and 4 other massive things and lauched it on a one way trip a year earlier...
Now we know where all the galaxys money went.
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 7, 2016 22:34:58 GMT
These are privately funded, albeit it seems with the approval of the planetary governments. The Crucible was publicly funded.
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Post by maxon on Nov 7, 2016 23:12:06 GMT
These are privately funded, albeit it seems with the approval of the planetary governments. The Crucible was publicly funded. So private individuals have more monetary sources than entire plantary governments?
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 7, 2016 23:17:40 GMT
More like private individuals and corporations have more money to spare on something with largely unknown consequences. There's a reason the SETI initiative is entirely privately funded.
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Post by dielveio on Nov 7, 2016 23:18:00 GMT
Today we have corporations with more money than small countries.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 7, 2016 23:18:47 GMT
The crucible was considered a " a massive undertaking drawing on resources throughout the galaxy. Staggering financial costs are disregarded in the common effort to create something, anything, that could stop the Reapers. " Yet they built this huge thing and 4 other massive things and lauched it on a one way trip a year earlier... Now we know where all the galaxys money went. This reminds me when I bought that fish food dispenser instead upgrading my weapons
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 7, 2016 23:22:15 GMT
These are privately funded, albeit it seems with the approval of the planetary governments. The Crucible was publicly funded. So private individuals have more monetary sources than entire plantary governments? Private companies have more money to spend on projects like this one, yeah. The questionable part is, if it's funded by investors then where's the profit to be had? This is a one way trip so it's not like they're expecting to be able to bring anything back from Andromeda. People don't tend to donate what would need to be the equivalent of at least trillions of dollars just because of scientific curiosity. They would do so as an investor that expects to see a return on their money.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2016 23:25:15 GMT
So private individuals have more monetary sources than entire plantary governments? Private companies have more money to spend on projects like this one, yeah. The questionable part is, if it's funded by investors then where's the profit to be had? This is a one way trip so it's not like they're expecting to be able to bring anything back from Andromeda. People don't tend to donate what would need to be the equivalent of at least trillions of dollars just because of scientific curiosity. They would do so as an investor that expects to see a return on their money. Do it for bragging rights.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 7, 2016 23:28:13 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that this Nexus is a bit of an overkill? Like at first I thought we'll have one dreadnaught+ sized ship, then there's four of them just to be sure. And now there is this thing, human-made Citadel, are we trying to reach billion of colonists, to darken skies of every Khet world? I'm afraid they'll show us Death Star in next trailer.
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Post by Silvery on Nov 7, 2016 23:34:05 GMT
Spitballing, because that's mostly we're doing at this point ... In addition to filling the role of the Citadel in the governing sense ... The Nexus would eventually become a mass relay, which is how the "regular link" between the MWG and the AG would come about. Its current state is incomplete, from the perspective of filling both roles, but the plans exist (in my head canon). The idea from the planner's perspective is that they would complete the Nexus after securing their Helios Cluster foothold in Andromeda. So instead of two arms, eventually it would have four or six arms. No sarcasm, Arcian can probably explain why this won't work, with respect to canon and lore. For just spitballing that makes a whole lot of sense to me. That it would double as a Mass Relay, with goal number two after setting up on Golden Rule planets being activating the Mass Rely on the Nexus to have a back and forth with the Milky Way. Only thing would be how we learned to build a Mass Relay, but at this point I think they could retcon something for that.
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 7, 2016 23:35:51 GMT
Maybe someone took Aethyta's advice after all.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 7, 2016 23:39:03 GMT
Private companies have more money to spend on projects like this one, yeah. The questionable part is, if it's funded by investors then where's the profit to be had? This is a one way trip so it's not like they're expecting to be able to bring anything back from Andromeda. People don't tend to donate what would need to be the equivalent of at least trillions of dollars just because of scientific curiosity. They would do so as an investor that expects to see a return on their money. Do it for bragging rights. Ah yes, ye olde dick waving contest. Am I the only one who thinks that this Nexus is a bit of an overkill? Like at first I thought we'll have one dreadnaught+ sized ship, then there's four of them just to be sure. And now there is this thing, human-made Citadel, are we trying to reach billion of colonists, to darken skies of every Khet world? I'm afraid they'll show us Death Star in next trailer. Out of curiosity is it confirmed that the Nexus is the size of the Citadel or are we all just figuring that because of how it looks in the video? I mean the thing is definitely massive in size no doubt about that, but is it confirmed to be on par with the Citadel?
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Post by dalinne on Nov 7, 2016 23:46:44 GMT
Do you know what will be a real plot twist? The project being originally funded by a human supremacist group... HA! Not Cerberus, sillies! TERRA FIRMA!! I hope the Khet won't be just the bad guys. One of the devs tweets suggested they made the Khet in a way to make us sympathize with them too, so maybe not all of them are bad guys. Also I hope Davy Jones aliens are romanceable (really, I mean it)
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Post by maxon on Nov 7, 2016 23:47:50 GMT
So private individuals have more monetary sources than entire plantary governments? Private companies have more money to spend on projects like this one, yeah. The questionable part is, if it's funded by investors then where's the profit to be had? This is a one way trip so it's not like they're expecting to be able to bring anything back from Andromeda. People don't tend to donate what would need to be the equivalent of at least trillions of dollars just because of scientific curiosity. They would do so as an investor that expects to see a return on their money. I don't want to get into an argument about it but the world's richest man, according to Forbes, is Bill Gates at $75 bn (http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/) while the total net worth of America (one country, not one planet or species) is, according the the Wall Street Journal (http://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-net-worth-hits-high-of-84-9-trillion-1434038401) around $85 tr. 1 trillion is 1000 x 1 billion. What surprises me most about that is that Bill Gates really is extremely wealthy but, more pertinently to what I'm saying, is countries normally have far more money and resources available than individuals, even very, very rich ones, and that's going to be even more true of entire species. Yes, governments have large commitments but it's also usually governments that fund big projects. I just don't - personally - find that explanation convincing. Oh and I know I'm probably comparing oranges with apples there but I think my point stands - governments>private individuals
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 7, 2016 23:58:05 GMT
Private companies have more money to spend on projects like this one, yeah. The questionable part is, if it's funded by investors then where's the profit to be had? This is a one way trip so it's not like they're expecting to be able to bring anything back from Andromeda. People don't tend to donate what would need to be the equivalent of at least trillions of dollars just because of scientific curiosity. They would do so as an investor that expects to see a return on their money. I don't want to get into an argument about it but the world's richest man, according to Forbes, is Bill Gates at $75 bn (http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/) while the total net worth of America (one country, not one planet or species) is, according the the Wall Street Journal (http://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-net-worth-hits-high-of-84-9-trillion-1434038401) around $85 tr. 1 trillion is 1000 x 1 billion. What surprises me most about that is that Bill Gates really is extremely wealthy but, more pertinently to what I'm saying, is countries normally have far more money and resources available than individuals, even very, very rich ones, and that's going to be even more true of entire species. Yes, governments have large commitments but it's also usually governments that fund big projects. I just don't - personally - find that explanation convincing. Keep in mind that net worth isn't the same as available funds. All of your very expensive military hardware is included in your net worth, but you aren't going to be using that to fund any projects. On top of that Bill Gates doesn't have to fund the military or dozens of other government programs with his money, and there are multiple people that are exceedingly rich. Where the explanation hits a snag is that the reason why governments are the ones that tend to fund big projects is because rich people wont fund something that doesn't have a good amount of profit in it while governments might depending on what it is. and not only does the Andromeda Initiative have no profit in it, it's going to be a 100% loss of your investment because those ships aren't coming back. Mass Effect 2 did the same thing with Cerberus' funding. They explained it by saying "investors did it" and not explaining anything else about it even though it didn't really make a lot of sense if you thought about it. I suspect ME:A will repeat that.
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Post by maxon on Nov 8, 2016 0:19:51 GMT
Keep in mind that net worth isn't the same as available funds. All of your very expensive military hardware is included in your net worth, but you aren't going to be using that to fund any projects. On top of that Bill Gates doesn't have to fund the military or dozens of other government programs with his money, and there are multiple people that are exceedingly rich. Where the explanation hits a snag is that the reason why governments are the ones that tend to fund big projects is because rich people wont fund something that doesn't have a good amount of profit in it while governments might depending on what it is. and not only does the Andromeda Initiative have no profit in it, it's going to be a 100% loss of your investment because those ships aren't coming back. Mass Effect 2 did the same thing with Cerberus' funding. They explained it by saying "investors did it" and not explaining anything else about it even though it didn't really make a lot of sense if you thought about it. I suspect ME:A will repeat that. Sure - but the difference in scale of funding and resources is considerable. I think also your other points are probably reasonable - especially the lack of profit point. Bill Gates uses his money charitably latterly but he really is an exception most of the time. However, as I said I don't want to get into an argument about it. I think the issue is that Bioware has decided it wants to write another Mass Effect story and has had to ... or perhaps has fallen into the trap of trying to - connect it to the original trilogy. This means some kind of explanation of how it happened and the enormity of the task of travelling to another galaxy just doesn't work with what they had at the end of ME3. I'd have been happier, tbh, if they'd just said that they wanted to write another story in the series but that it was a completely new story with no connection to the past. Perhaps describing the events of a parallel universe which would allow them to have the same species, design and feel without having to account for Shepard or to cut Shepard out of the picture. Alternatively, I'd have just about bought it, I think, if it had been originally an exploration initiative which was co-opted into an escape plan with the advent of the reapers and then they run for it and fall into a wormhole all the way to Andromeda but 'rich individuals putting together an exploration project just for the fun of it' just ... pft. Not buying it. In giving into the sentimentality of wanting to connect to the veracity of the original series, they created a problem for themselves. It won't stop me buying and probably enjoying the game. I loved MEMP and am looking forward to the new one (fingers crossed, double-crossed and tied in a large knot they don't bugger that up) and apart from the end of ME3, I loved the games themselves. But my personal head canon is probably going to be 'in a parallel universe, the Hyperion's engines kicked into reverse and the long, slow deceleration began ...'
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