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Post by Mad Cassidy on Nov 8, 2016 1:25:44 GMT
The crucible was considered a " a massive undertaking drawing on resources throughout the galaxy. Staggering financial costs are disregarded in the common effort to create something, anything, that could stop the Reapers. " Yet they built this huge thing and 4 other massive things and lauched it on a one way trip a year earlier... Now we know where all the galaxys money went. Bear in mind that the Andromeda Initiative had the benefit of years of funding and planning during a period of relative stability and prosperity. The Crucible had to be completed in a matter of a few short months by governments that were already spending tonnes of capital on a failing war effort, which had likely already lost significant infrastructure, manpower, and access to resources, and had probably been deprived of key supply lines. That being said, they needn't have made the Nexus that big...
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 1:32:17 GMT
It seems honestly too big. I mean it dwarves the Arks. Though I'm hopeful it'll be the central hub of the game.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 8, 2016 7:28:17 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that this Nexus is a bit of an overkill? Like at first I thought we'll have one dreadnaught+ sized ship, then there's four of them just to be sure. And now there is this thing, human-made Citadel, are we trying to reach billion of colonists, to darken skies of every Khet world? I'm afraid they'll show us Death Star in next trailer. Out of curiosity is it confirmed that the Nexus is the size of the Citadel or are we all just figuring that because of how it looks in the video? I mean the thing is definitely massive in size no doubt about that, but is it confirmed to be on par with the Citadel? Ark to Nexus scale looks like Sovereign to Citadel. Now you can say that we weren't given size of Arks and be right about it, but now I have an impression that they are even bigger than Sovy.
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Post by theconsul on Nov 8, 2016 11:10:28 GMT
About the funding part: Wasn't it said that Andromeda was rich with resources? From a private investors point of view it could be lucrative to fund this endeavor if they are building a mass relay to get those resources back to the Milky Way.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 8, 2016 11:24:54 GMT
The scale of the AI is just absurd handwaving. It would take the dedicated resources of all the advanced races to pull off such a venture in "reality". I understand why they didn't want to, but not tying it to the Reaper invasion is just silly. "Someone" is being boneheaded and stubborn. To think that a few wealthy people would invest the entirety of their personal and corporate wealth into a venture that at best would see a payout hundreds of years after they've turned to dust is beyond believable. You might encounter one or two people with that kind of vision, but by and large humans (and reasonable to assume the aliens too) are far too shortsighted for such a venture. It's a shame we have to start the game with immersion shattered like that.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 8, 2016 11:40:01 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Hm.. I wonder if the Nexus is out temporary headquarters and the Capital will be located in Helios (from the scan in 4k video).
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 11:51:42 GMT
The scale of the AI is just absurd handwaving. It would take the dedicated resources of all the advanced races to pull off such a venture in "reality". I understand why they didn't want to, but not tying it to the Reaper invasion is just silly. "Someone" is being boneheaded and stubborn. To think that a few wealthy people would invest the entirety of their personal and corporate wealth into a venture that at best would see a payout hundreds of years after they've turned to dust is beyond believable. You might encounter one or two people with that kind of vision, but by and large humans (and reasonable to assume the aliens too) are far too shortsighted for such a venture. It's a shame we have to start the game with immersion shattered like that. It'd have been the same if it was tied to the Reaper invasion though, because while it'd help in making more believable that people started that project (and yes, all the 4 council leading species are in more or less in the same way, I think), on the other hand it'd shorten the time for the whole project to be operative to at least half, if not more (the vast majority didn't believe the reaper threat was real until ME3). There wasn't a perfect solution in my opinion.
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 8, 2016 15:30:14 GMT
So private individuals have more monetary sources than entire plantary governments? Private companies have more money to spend on projects like this one, yeah. The questionable part is, if it's funded by investors then where's the profit to be had? This is a one way trip so it's not like they're expecting to be able to bring anything back from Andromeda. People don't tend to donate what would need to be the equivalent of at least trillions of dollars just because of scientific curiosity. They would do so as an investor that expects to see a return on their money. Maybe they are going with the Arks? It is not impossible that the people that is funding it is promised a place on the Ark (with their families too maybe).
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 8, 2016 15:31:27 GMT
I just need somewhere to get drunk and dance.
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 8, 2016 15:33:54 GMT
I just need somewhere to get drunk and dance. We DO have the Tempest....
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 8, 2016 15:35:20 GMT
I just need somewhere to get drunk and dance. On ashes of Kett (or Khet? still not sure GI wrote them right) world?
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Post by Adhin on Nov 8, 2016 15:37:04 GMT
Alrighty so... do we actually know the exact size of the Arks or the Nexus? Cause you can't really go off much of this stuff for scale. I mean theres screenshots that make the Normandy look like it's half the size of the Citadel which is, of course, bullshit. The Arks are definitely smaller then the nexus though as we see that one right up in there (plus we see the whole blueprint thing for scale as well. On a funding note though keep in mind the 'Crucible' was made in like a month or 3. It was scrambled to be put together as fast as possible by everyone. These Ark/Nexus project is 11 years worth of development. It's not like they where built overnight. That makes a pretty damn big difference. That's 40 times the potential build time on this project. Anyway, here's some images I searched to help with scale of the other stuff for peoples references.
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Post by xassantex on Nov 8, 2016 16:17:31 GMT
thing is besides a mass effect tooth brush no one really knows the prices of anything in ME , and it's probably a hyped overpriced gadget. So how much does the Nexus cost really? We're not in 2016 here . 200 years ago, paper and ink were something to use carefully as those items were very expensive. But labor was cheap. Oil was known but rare and no one cared about it, etc. So who can say how the economy works in 2183 or whenever. Bill Gates ( since he's been mentioned) is donating his fortune to charity , alongside Buffet, and probably others we don't know. Heck i knew a millionaire who gave his fortune to Salvation Army 10 years ago,( why not me i ask you ) . So as far fetched as it may seem, is it entirely "impossible" for that project to be run by some NPO that amassed all that was needed ? Shepard spent his entire life doing the absolute impossible, yet he did and we all went along, also accepting a bunch of incoherent details and ridiculous assumptions within the Trilogy ( like XXth century pop music everywhere on the Citadel, in clubs, in parties , in Shep's bedroom. That's like going to Osheaga to only hear Bach and Handel ). /edit as for the technology used, i love and embrace space magic !
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Post by maxon on Nov 8, 2016 22:23:24 GMT
About the funding part: Wasn't it said that Andromeda was rich with resources? From a private investors point of view it could be lucrative to fund this endeavor if they are building a mass relay to get those resources back to the Milky Way. Would you want to go on a trip like that with the sort of person who could afford to buy their way on board?
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Post by hsomcokesniper on Nov 9, 2016 13:49:24 GMT
Private companies decide to invest enough money to put galactic governments to shame into a project which may or may not yield something in 600+ years. That's long term investment if I've ever seen one.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 9, 2016 14:16:36 GMT
Private companies decide to invest enough money to put galactic governments to shame into a project which may or may not yield something in 600+ years. That's long term investment if I've ever seen one. But the prize. Andromeda must have best platinum-or-whatever in the Universe if you can see it even from MW. It's like departing in search for top-tier coal in 18th century and then returning with it in 24th. You'd be famously rich, I guarantee it!
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Post by ravenous on Nov 9, 2016 17:54:45 GMT
I think that the Nexus will be the temporary headquarters/government building of the AI and I believe that if that is the case then the Nexus will leave for the Andromeda Galaxy well before the 4 Ark ships ever leave to get everything set up
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 9, 2016 18:44:14 GMT
Maybe it's more Destiny Ascension size tho. If that in the middle of the ring is an Ark, then no. That is an ark, but it's clearly off in the distance, "who knows how many" kilometers away. The Nexus is in the foreground of the image, as its focus. That doesn't mean any of these vessels aren't crazy large. I can't really venture a real estimate at their sizes, yet. I look forward to more info being released about these vessels, and about all of the new tech, in general. I know some of it is going to twist the old lore into pretzels, but I'm eager to get acquainted with the new stuff, and see where we stand. I can't guess at their scale, but I like the designs of the arks and the Nexus. They achieved the "cool looking design" goal, in my opinion.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 9, 2016 18:46:09 GMT
I think that the Nexus will be the temporary headquarters/government building of the AI and I believe that if that is the case then the Nexus will leave for the Andromeda Galaxy well before the 4 Ark ships ever leave to get everything set up I'm pretty certain Jien (can't recall the last name) did say that the Nexus would be departing first.
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Post by ravenous on Nov 9, 2016 18:53:40 GMT
I think that the Nexus will be the temporary headquarters/government building of the AI and I believe that if that is the case then the Nexus will leave for the Andromeda Galaxy well before the 4 Ark ships ever leave to get everything set up I'm pretty certain Jien (can't recall the last name) did say that the Nexus would be departing first. if that's true that the Nexus will be departing first then another question I have will it have an escort of warships travelling alongside of the nexus or somehow stored within the Nexus so that way it will have some sort of protection if its needed for whatever reason when it gets to its destination
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 9, 2016 18:59:29 GMT
About the funding part: Wasn't it said that Andromeda was rich with resources? From a private investors point of view it could be lucrative to fund this endeavor if they are building a mass relay to get those resources back to the Milky Way. I think this is exactly the long term goal, at least as implied in the video orientation. Certainly things will become more exciting for the expeditionary team than anyone hoped. Long term, if the series continues long enough, I suspect we will see a bridge of some sort connecting Andromeda and the Milky Way. It could be via a planned Mass Relay, or it could be involve Remnant tech with which we are as yet unfamiliar. Maybe it will involve something else entirely. Whatever the case, I'm confident it will happen, and we'll then have two (mostly unexplored) galaxies. The potential for meeting, merging and clashing of civilizations in such a case could make for good stories; but I'm getting way ahead of the present.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 9, 2016 19:03:35 GMT
I'm pretty certain Jien (can't recall the last name) did say that the Nexus would be departing first. if that's true that the Nexus will be departing first then another question I have will it have an escort of warships travelling alongside of the nexus or somehow stored within the Nexus so that way it will have some sort of protection if its needed for whatever reason when it gets to its destination One would think so. That thing is massive. It could carry a small fleet, in theory. Fighters would be a given, also. We shall see. I got the bit about Jien from the orientation video on the official site, if you haven't seen it. I believe it's in that video that she describes the Nexus + 4 Ark plan. If you sign-in with your EA ID, you start building credit toward some DLC gear, too.
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