Tin Foil Skirt and Thigh-High Boots - Ashley Williams Thread

People who say "Ash is racist" don't know true racism. I suppose that's a good thing, but, point being... she's not RACIST.

Nothing was messed up on your part. That is, unfortunately, all we get with her on the Citadel.

The funny thing is that people who don't like Ashley will complain about her using Horizon as a reason.  Same goes with Kaidan.  Hard to believe people don't get that it doesn't matter which one of them is alive for Horizon.  They'll still treat Shepard badly, even going into ME3.  I really do wish we could have killed someone else on Virmire.  I'd have loved to see Ash and Kaidan both around for the end.

I never knew that was something cut from the game, interesting? Wonder if they cut it to make the choice more dramatic or if they couldn't think of a possible negative consequence for trying to save both of them. 

It would not have been hard to have both A/K survive. If all 6 squadmates are recruited, why not have the two that are sitting on the SR1 doing a whole lot of nothing go get A/K while Shepard gets A/K?

If anyone should be left with the bomb, it should be one of the salarians since it was their idea and they converted their drive system into a bomb, so they know how to arm it.

I always wondered why are so many people angry about Ashley over Virmire situation. Wrex is the one who aims his gun at you because there is unspecified genophage cure (throught freaking cloning and obviously under Saren's command) he learned about a minute ago.

Besides, what kind of player ignores sidequests to avoid this kind of situations? Shame on them, those lazy newbies.

She's not racist yes, but not xenophobic either.
According to wiki and some other sources, xenophobia means: 'the fear and distrust of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. Xenophobia can involve perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup and can manifest itself in suspicion of the activities of others, and a desire to eliminate their presence to secure a presumed purity and may relate to a fear of losing identity. Xenophobia is a political term and not a recognized medical phobia'. I should probably refer to a post I made in this thread a while ago as to why she isn't racist, or xenophobic for that matter. It's on page 3 or so of this thread.

Yes she distrusts certain groups of aliens, she doesn't hate them though, nor does she fear a loss of identity, she never wanted aliens to be wiped out because of some hatred towards them, or out of a feeling of superiority, there's plenty of moments throughout the series that support that. She simply doesn't trust certain groups (alien or not) because of past experiences, that's not being xenophobic, that's just being realistic or cynical, take your pick. Ashley has a checkered past because of her grandfather in the First Contact War, amongst others, but she's distrusting in general, lets not confuse that with racism or xenophobia. Romancing Ash in ME1 is for a large part gaining trust.

There were a few factors. One was people relating him to Carth Onasi from KOTOR since they have the same voice actor. As a result, Kaidan was seen as whiny. Also, he talked about his feelings. That made him gay.

As for Ash, she had her own share of hate. Space Racist was a common theme. I have to confess that I also initially saw her that way but the more I play the more depth to her character I see. I tried an ME3 run with Ash but it freaked me out too much that I modded Kaidan back to life. Sorry, Ash, but my heart is with Kaidan, even if I wish you could have survived.

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I can agree with most of that. But the problem is Ash does say a few things that makes it seem like its more than just distrust towards aliens. On the Citadel she compared the aliens to animals for instance. That just doesn't seem like good old fashion distrust to me. That would be a pretty derogatory thing to say about a race of humans wouldn't it? Also, she is incredibly hostile towards Liara if you try to play the field and can be nasty to her in general for no reason. She calls her things like "little blue friend." That is clearly belittling her for being different. If you said something similar about another race of people, that clearly would not be seen in a good way.

And in ME3, her distrust of aliens is actually never even addressed because she barely says anything to any of the other aliens in ME3. Her arc in ME3 just feels very lazy. She also comes across as isolated and secluded on the Normandy as well. Not trusting a certain group of people due to bad experiences with a few of them is also not seen as a positive trait in real life as well.

Oh, right.  Ashley being misquoted.