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Post by SZKSYPCZE on Nov 12, 2016 11:23:17 GMT
I know that the team is looking for as many ways to cut the ties with the old trilogy as they can but they cannot escape from this one. Even in the first part, Cerberus played a great role in the story and in the overall background. Since the AI is "privately funded" project, I can't believe that the Cerberus is not involved in any way. You know...."PRIVATELY FUNDED".... many of the Cerberus projects were "privately funded" if not all of them. The Illusive Man wouldn't be himself if he hadn't participated in this.
Maybe someone form Bioware could add something to it?
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 12, 2016 11:26:06 GMT
If Cerberus is involved Bioware wouldn't tell us before release. The fact that TIM would send some operatives to infiltrate the initiative isn't far fetched. That doesn't mean Bioware will make it happen, or even reveal it in the first game. It can be something that is revealed in further games.
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Post by SZKSYPCZE on Nov 12, 2016 11:30:59 GMT
Actually i am surprised that there haven't been many questions about it....I hope that Bioware planned sth Cerberus connected in the AI. Even the smallest thing.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 12, 2016 11:34:26 GMT
I've asked several times if cerberus is coming. I might as well be asking the ashes of a trillion dead souls, because the silence is my answer. Others have tried too.
(Not that they owe me or anyone else an answer.)
Either the idea is so fundamentally stupid they refuse to even address it, or Cerberus is coming.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 12, 2016 11:35:13 GMT
Actually i am surprised that there haven't been many questions about it....I hope that Bioware planned sth Cerberus connected in the AI. Even the smallest thing. On the official forum there were discussion about Cerberus' involvement. If you mean as questions to the devs, I guess it's because people know they aren't going to answer.
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Post by deadgoon on Nov 12, 2016 11:39:46 GMT
I don't see why as it's not the kind of thing TIM & Cerberus would be interested in, all their projects tend to be about human superiority, either by attempting to weaponise alien species, repurposeing reaper tech, creating super soldiers yadda yadda, pouring substantial amounts of money into a project that takes several centuries with no guarantee of a pay off is not TIM's way, i mean Cerberus does not have unlimited funds.
I could see them infiltrating it but funding it?, no.
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Post by traks on Nov 12, 2016 11:53:01 GMT
Hopefully none, but there is already a thread discussing Cerberus and the AI: bsn.boards.net/thread/2119/andromeda-initiative-cerberus-unapologetically-storytellingBTW: Cerberus goal was to lift humanity to the top of the chain among milky way races, ultimately trying to control the Reapers to do so. So why should the illusive man be interest in leaving the Milky Way to get himself back into the unknown? So I wouldn't expect any involvement. Doesn't mean that there can't be Cerberus supporters on the mission to Andromeda, but Cerberus operatives should have their hands full in the Milky Way. Another BTW: If the writing team has learned a lesson from the trilogy it is that the focus on Cerberus in the third game was a mistake. A secret organization shouldn't be visible everywhere, instead it could've been interesting if they weren't prominently throughout every stage of the game but sneaked in at the last second.
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Post by traks on Nov 12, 2016 12:03:31 GMT
If Cerberus is involved Bioware wouldn't tell us before release. The fact that TIM would send some operatives to infiltrate the initiative isn't far fetched. That doesn't mean Bioware will make it happen, or even reveal it in the first game. It can be something that is revealed in further games. It is very far fetched, because TIM is dead (speaking of his projected lifetime, not of events in ME3) when they could report back to him and I'm pretty sure he wants to see results of Cerberus before he dies.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 12, 2016 12:22:11 GMT
If Walters wants it, Cerberus will be there.
From a logic stand point, it's obvious Cerberus would want a piece of the Arks. Maybe something subtle, but they would be there for sure.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 12, 2016 12:31:51 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if TIM helped fund the project and helped build the ships. I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus people go to Andromeda. I wouldn't be surprised if they're mentioned in a couple lines of dialogue especially when talking with them.
I like, if possible, to have my Ryder show her/his support for Cerberus by having a poster of TIM in the cabin. Wear Cerberus armor. Wear a t-shirt saying humanity #1 while walking around the tempest.
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Post by SZKSYPCZE on Nov 12, 2016 12:33:12 GMT
or maybe Cerberus would try to sabotage other than human Arks....
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Post by Pearl on Nov 12, 2016 12:35:19 GMT
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Post by SZKSYPCZE on Nov 12, 2016 12:37:10 GMT
zero zilch nada (please for the love of god) oh come on....this a mass effect game. Wouldn't be a mass effect without some links to the lore...
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 12, 2016 12:58:36 GMT
If Cerberus is involved Bioware wouldn't tell us before release. The fact that TIM would send some operatives to infiltrate the initiative isn't far fetched. That doesn't mean Bioware will make it happen, or even reveal it in the first game. It can be something that is revealed in further games. It is very far fetched, because TIM is dead (speaking of his projected lifetime, not of events in ME3) when they could report back to him and I'm pretty sure he wants to see results of Cerberus before he dies. The results of Cerberus would be mostly focused on the Milky Way anyway. It doesn't mean he wouldn't take a change of spreading his views on the human population in Andromeda if possible. It's not like sending a few operatives would cost that much anyway.
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Post by ravenous on Nov 12, 2016 13:03:59 GMT
I do not want to see or hear about Cerberus on AI, it doesn't always have to be about TIM and his Cerberus and it doesn't have to be him and Cerberus helping to build the ships for AI. I so hope that Cerberus and TIM is not involved please for the love of god
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 12, 2016 13:27:15 GMT
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 12, 2016 13:38:40 GMT
If Cerberus is involved Bioware wouldn't tell us before release. The fact that TIM would send some operatives to infiltrate the initiative isn't far fetched. That doesn't mean Bioware will make it happen, or even reveal it in the first game. It can be something that is revealed in further games. It is very far fetched, because TIM is dead (speaking of his projected lifetime, not of events in ME3) when they could report back to him and I'm pretty sure he wants to see results of Cerberus before he dies. Actually, TIM states Cerberus is bigger than him. That even with Cerberus shattered the idea would go on. So trying to influence the civilization in Andromeda is well in character for him. And who knows, maybe in his mind he would even be alive 600 years from ME3.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 12, 2016 13:53:33 GMT
I really, really hope that Cerberus isn't tied to everything again in ME:Andromeda. Humanity is already front and center in everything that happens in this setting, do we really need a "Humanity First!" terrorist organization on top of all that? I don't even think we needed it back in the Milky Way given that humanity didn't need Cerberus to become a member of the Council or to gain their first human Spectre despite being newcomers. Cerberus seemed the sort more intended for a bleaker setting where humanity really did have everything and everyone against them but Mass Effect's humanity really didn't even when they were suppose to be the underdogs.
I don't see the reason for Cerberus tagging along to the Andromeda Galaxy: it has way too much baggage including in how it has only ever been consistent in its inconsistency. A pro-human ideology I am fine with but I don't think Cerberus or anyone affiliated with Cerberus should be the organization to express it or explore it with. I much more liked ME1's way of expressing pro-human and the alike ideas, ideologies and attitudes like with Terra Firma and Ashley Williams. It seemed more natural.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 12, 2016 14:20:07 GMT
I can understand how lore-wise it would make sense for Cerberus to infiltrate the Ai project. I still hope it doesn't happen, because again I'd like as little baggage as possible from the previous trilogy. Cerberus was cool as a shadow organization in ME1, but they got too blown out of proportion in 2 and 3. I haven't seen this picture before. It's the first time I've looked at the Cerberus logo and thought: "Huh, it looks like a gynecological diagram." So thanks for that. Cerberus. Big bunch of pussies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 14:31:45 GMT
I do not want to see or hear about Cerberus on AI, it doesn't always have to be about TIM and his Cerberus and it doesn't have to be him and Cerberus helping to build the ships for AI. I so hope that Cerberus and TIM is not involved please for the love of god I agree - I don't want to see Cerberus in the AI project. But - given TIM's obsessive penchant to advance humanity above all other galaxy races, he's certainly not a 1-trick pony who's only focus was on the Reapers. Cerberus had lots of other things going on that Shepard would never have known about, as TIM only told him/her what was needed to complete the mission against the reapers. Certainly TIM would have Cerberus members planted in the Hyperion and the Nexus Arks. I just don't want to see them; at all. Didn't TIM tell Shepard directly that he had "other plans"? TIM's awareness of the reaper threat would cause him to think of several plans: Plan A - Destroy the Reapers/Protect Humanity, and B) find an escape route for some of humanity. The AI project is too tempting for TIM to ignore such an opportunity to advance the human race, and most especially since several other key races had their own arks. Placing a few high-level operatives (similar to Miranda) and Cerberus scientists would make a lot of logical sense (to me, at least). I just don't want to see them; a rotten apple spoils the whole bunch, so to speak. I want to get them out of my mind! Perhaps TIM and Cerberus will be included in the ME:A Initiation novel to set the stage for their minor/background involvement in the AI project. EDIT: BTW - Martin Sheen is still alive and able to do more voice-acting - like setting the stage early on for his plans for the AI project?
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Post by InstaShark on Nov 12, 2016 14:52:48 GMT
Even if Cerberus had a hand in the Initiative, I highly doubt they're just going to spring their plans right away unless they have some sort of stable foothold within the colonization process. As it currently stands, I don't think they can afford to have infighting going on when they haven't even had a chance to assess the whole situation (i.e. the imminent dilemma of first contact with the indigenous species of the Andromeda galaxy).
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Post by ravenous on Nov 12, 2016 15:07:49 GMT
Even if Cerberus had a hand in the Initiative, I highly doubt they're just going to spring their plans right away unless they have some sort of stable foothold within the colonization process. As it currently stands, I don't think they can afford to have infighting going on when they haven't even had a chance to assess the whole situation (i.e. the imminent dilemma of first contact with the indigenous species of the Andromeda galaxy). If Cerberus has to be involved I doubt they would start any of the plans that they had and they most definitely wouldn't start infighting with other members of the AI when there is no safe place yet and no stable infrastructure/stable foothold yet and can't afford infighting just yet. They most definitely would wait till they had the chance to assess the current situation ie the natives etc in the Andromeda Galaxy the whole thing about Cerberus and involved in the AI, I just have to say this enough is enough I say Cerberus has been in 3 games. Can't we just have a game with no Cerberus what so ever at all, I see Andromeda as a new start where nothing and no one even groups are included because it is a new start and no baggage ie Cerberus etc coming along and or getting involved in any sort of way
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 12, 2016 15:17:11 GMT
To be clear, I don't want Cerberus in Andromeda. But the way the plot is set up, it makes sense to me for TIM to send some operative to infiltrate the Initiative. That doesn't mean they'll be in Andromeda or future games. It'll be something howewer that might always be used if they want to.
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Post by Phantom on Nov 12, 2016 17:17:59 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if TIM helped fund the project and helped build the ships. I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus people go to Andromeda. I wouldn't be surprised if they're mentioned in a couple lines of dialogue especially when talking with them. I like, if possible, to have my Ryder show her/his support for Cerberus by having a poster of TIM in the cabin. Wear Cerberus armor. Wear a t-shirt saying humanity #1 while walking around the tempest. Well it is a given that both of us will use Cerberus gear if possible. Also whom should take care of Humanity but Humanity? Well I am not naive enough to believe that any possible alien squadmates or alliances will be out the goodness out of their hearts. For example, I do suspect even if she is genuinely good, that Peeboo aka the Raccon Asari is acting out of her self perservation. I do hope she is not anything like Liara. To me, I prefer Samara and many Asari over Liara any day of the week. It would be funny(at least with my demented sense of humor) that Daddy falls in love with one of the Aliens and joins them against the Human and other Milk Way species. Personally I rather avoid Reaper Like Indoctrination or any form of brain washing if we have anyone joins the enemy.
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