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Post by ddraigcoch123 on Nov 12, 2016 21:39:57 GMT
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Post by Garo on Nov 12, 2016 21:50:40 GMT
Still, it's huge, I wonder what kind of explanation BW will give us about funding of this.
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Post by bshep on Nov 12, 2016 22:03:14 GMT
It's fan made but seems like there is some level of accuracy to it. Weird....the Nexus seems like a lying down H. By the way, the Destiny Ascension had a crew of 10 thousand. Considering most people inside the Ark are on cryosleep pods their population is probably bigger.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 12, 2016 22:08:29 GMT
Just shows how ridiculous this is as a concept in terms of taking less than a decade, being able to afford it, not being in the news, etc.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 12, 2016 22:20:43 GMT
It's fan made but seems like there is some level of accuracy to it. Weird....the Nexus seems like a lying down H. By the way, the Destiny Ascension had a crew of 10 thousand. Considering most people inside the Ark are on cryosleep pods their population is probably bigger. Yeah the Gameinformer guys, not sure if it was just in the podcast, but they mentioned a population of 100k. Wasn't sure if that was 'per ark' or in total, so.. I dunno. I mean if you double the population of the Destiny, your looking at 20k per Ark, 20k on the Nexus (though the Nexus could potentially have waaay more then that). Could be 10-15k per ark and Nexus has the 40-50 remainder? Or maybe each ark really 'is' 100k. They'd really have to cram em in there if it was 100k. Plus each Ark still has to function 'as' an actual ship FOR however many people it happens to be carrying with it is, which is something else to consider. So it's not just 'well you could cram this many people in cryopods' cause wheres all the other shit? Mess hall for 100k people? Bridge, stations all that crap. I doubt the cryopods would get re-used as sleeping quarters either. Be kinda odd freezing/going in stasis just to sleep 'after' you arrived. So after all that, I think the 10k mark of Destiny Ascension makes the most sense. Which leads me to think Nexus has about 50k people on it roughly.
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Post by ddraigcoch123 on Nov 12, 2016 22:35:11 GMT
Interesting calculations on numbers of crew/expedition members
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 13, 2016 2:47:01 GMT
Still, it's huge, I wonder what kind of explanation BW will give us about funding of this. Reverse engineered from (Insert your fav option here) and built using funding from a variety of sources including (Insert your fav option here.)
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Post by helios969 on Nov 13, 2016 3:14:10 GMT
I have to say I didn't know what to think when I saw the thread title. I was half expecting a how humans compare to Krogans thread. The Nexus is 25km long and all the arks are the size of the Destiny Ascension? Double lol. MEA has broken my immersion before even playing. Way to go Bio.
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Post by bshep on Nov 13, 2016 3:26:02 GMT
If we take out the need to extra space for eat, sleep in beds, work, leisure time and etcetera they could indeed accomodate a lot of cryo pods inside the Ark.
Also remember that differently from the Destiny Ascension the Hyperion (and the other Arks) does not need space for a kilometer long mass acelerator gun, so maybe the gameinformer guys estimative of 100.000 people may indeed be per each ship.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 13, 2016 4:04:12 GMT
Still, it's huge, I wonder what kind of explanation BW will give us about funding of this. Eh, given that Cerberus somehow had the money to fund not only the Lazarus Project but also to build, staff and equip several secret facilities, projects, ships and an army, I'm not so bothered by this given that the Andromeda Initiative seems to have been funded by several races. I mean, if it turns out it was primarily funded by humanity or worse, a couple of humans, then I'm going back to my theory that some humans have a mutation that causes money to literally come out of their wazoo.
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 13, 2016 5:03:22 GMT
I think the whole thing regarding the Andromeda Initiative should be brought to a more 'down to Earth' scale. Because lets be blunt here: this whole venture took place parallel to the original Mass Effect trilogy, and during the original trilogy no character knows or gives a damn about the Andromeda Initiative. Now they are trying to portray that this Initiative has vessels almost as large as the Citadel. Are you serious? This would be the stupidest deus ex machina moment in recent sci-fi.
I am ok with the fact that the Andromeda Initiative takes place parallel to the original trilogy. You need some suspension of disbelief to accept that, but ok, it is better than trying to salvage the ending of ME3. However, the Andromeda Initiative has to be a low profile venture, if not completely secret.
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Post by goishen on Nov 13, 2016 5:10:14 GMT
I was almost afraid to click on this.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 13, 2016 5:15:34 GMT
As awesome as this looks, I wouldn't count on its reliability. I suspect it's based upon faulty suppositions. In the "main pic" of the Nexus, on the Ai site, you see an Ark far in the background of the pic. It seems that the designer of this chart assumed that the two vessels were close together, rather than seeing that the Nexus dominated the foreground of the image. The Arks and Nexus may be much closer in size than this chart suggests. Did the artist supply any info as to how they came up with the relative sizes? How did they know the Nexus' relative size in comparison to the Citadel, for instance? Before we jump on BioWare for their sloppy work, we should make sure the "artist" behind this image didn't just "slap some stuff" together. Edit: Apparently, there is a scale comparison in the video that I missed. My skeptic's theory, at least on those grounds, is debunked; though I remain leery of fan-made images.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 13, 2016 5:54:07 GMT
If we take out the need to extra space for eat, sleep in beds, work, leisure time and etcetera they could indeed accomodate a lot of cryo pods inside the Ark. Also remember that differently from the Destiny Ascension the Hyperion (and the other Arks) does not need space for a kilometer long mass acelerator gun, so maybe the gameinformer guys estimative of 100.000 people may indeed be per each ship. Yeah I thought about that, but the gun runs along the ship. It's taking up at most 50% of the ship (it's probably closer to 30-35%). The ship looks like it's, ultimately, less available space then the DA but going off the assumption it's about the same your not going from 10k to 100k by just removing a large gun. If anything, that just means that's where all the cryopods are now taking up that space and the rest of the ships normal large ass ship that can accommodate 10k people.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 13, 2016 5:56:53 GMT
As awesome as this looks, I wouldn't count on its reliability. I suspect it's based upon faulty suppositions. In the "main pic" of the Nexus, on the Ai site, you see an Ark far in the background of the pic. It seems that the designer of this chart assumed that the two vessels were close together, rather than seeing that the Nexus dominated the foreground of the image. The Arks and Nexus may be much closer in size than this chart suggests. Did the artist supply any info as to how they came up with the relative sizes? How did they know the Nexus' relative size in comparison to the Citadel, for instance? Before we jump on BioWare for their sloppy work, we should make sure the "artist" behind this image didn't just "slap some stuff" together. If you watch the video again they actually show a size comparison blue print of the Arks vs the Nexus which is basically what that picture is using (all be it with all detail removed for a solid blue color). The assumptions are more in relation to the Nexus vs the Citadel and kinda going from there. Which frankly I think make sense and are likely to end up being true. But the Nexus to the Ark size is same as the video so that's, if nothing else, definitely confirmed.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 13, 2016 6:02:19 GMT
As awesome as this looks, I wouldn't count on its reliability. I suspect it's based upon faulty suppositions. In the "main pic" of the Nexus, on the Ai site, you see an Ark far in the background of the pic. It seems that the designer of this chart assumed that the two vessels were close together, rather than seeing that the Nexus dominated the foreground of the image. The Arks and Nexus may be much closer in size than this chart suggests. Did the artist supply any info as to how they came up with the relative sizes? How did they know the Nexus' relative size in comparison to the Citadel, for instance? Before we jump on BioWare for their sloppy work, we should make sure the "artist" behind this image didn't just "slap some stuff" together. If you watch the video again they actually show a size comparison blue print of the Arks vs the Nexus which is basically what that picture is using (all be it with all detail removed for a solid blue color). The assumptions are more in relation to the Nexus vs the Citadel and kinda going from there. Which frankly I think make sense and are likely to end up being true. But the Nexus to the Ark size is same as the video so that's, if nothing else, definitely confirmed. Thanks! I'll check it out, again. The Nexus' size definitely makes sense, if it is one day to serve as the heart of a mass relay to the Milky Way, as many of us immediately started guessing. The Citadel is home to 17 million people. How freaking huge is the Nexus? I can see why some would question. Maybe the Nexus and Arks aren't as comparatively large as this image suggests?
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Post by bshep on Nov 13, 2016 6:19:18 GMT
It would be nice if some of the next orientation video talks about the ships size.
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Post by sosolaris on Nov 13, 2016 6:19:41 GMT
As awesome as this looks, I wouldn't count on its reliability. I suspect it's based upon faulty suppositions. In the "main pic" of the Nexus, on the Ai site, you see an Ark far in the background of the pic. It seems that the designer of this chart assumed that the two vessels were close together, rather than seeing that the Nexus dominated the foreground of the image. The Arks and Nexus may be much closer in size than this chart suggests. Did the artist supply any info as to how they came up with the relative sizes? How did they know the Nexus' relative size in comparison to the Citadel, for instance? Before we jump on BioWare for their sloppy work, we should make sure the "artist" behind this image didn't just "slap some stuff" together. This is what the creator of the image had to say on Reddit: "Guesses, based on the "Join the Andromeda Initiative" video where it shows an alliance cruiser physically docked to the Hyperion. Then the Orientation video shows the Ark's scale to the Nexus. After that I used wikis and Troodon80's references on Deviantart for the other ships and structures." https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/5cmk6m/meandromeda_starship_size_comparison/
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 13, 2016 6:28:59 GMT
As awesome as this looks, I wouldn't count on its reliability. I suspect it's based upon faulty suppositions. In the "main pic" of the Nexus, on the Ai site, you see an Ark far in the background of the pic. It seems that the designer of this chart assumed that the two vessels were close together, rather than seeing that the Nexus dominated the foreground of the image. The Arks and Nexus may be much closer in size than this chart suggests. Did the artist supply any info as to how they came up with the relative sizes? How did they know the Nexus' relative size in comparison to the Citadel, for instance? Before we jump on BioWare for their sloppy work, we should make sure the "artist" behind this image didn't just "slap some stuff" together. This is what the creator of the image had to say on Reddit: "Guesses, based on the "Join the Andromeda Initiative" video where it shows an alliance cruiser physically docked to the Hyperion. Then the Orientation video shows the Ark's scale to the Nexus. After that I used wikis and Troodon80's references on Deviantart for the other ships and structures." https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/5cmk6m/meandromeda_starship_size_comparison/ Thanks for the references. I've always been a little iffy on these type of charts, perhaps unjustly at times, because I've seen so many bad ones. If the chain of references used by the artist is reliable, then who knows? It does have the look of something that is appropriately huge, yet way too big to be believed. The Citadel was built by THE REAPERS, after all, and was regarded as the marvel of the galaxy by untold cultures for millions of years. This thing is nearly as large. I know it isn't all about the size, but... it seems weird.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 13, 2016 6:45:49 GMT
Not exactly related, but I'd like some info on what kind of escort fleet is coming with the Initiative. It would be incredibly stupid/naive not to have at least a small fleet for each Ark/Nexus, but that would also render the project even harder to believe, resource-wise, seeing as how difficult it was for the Alliance to rebuild their fleet after ME1.
If they don't have an escort fleet, well, no wonder one of the Arks is immediately destroyed/disabled...
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Post by Adhin on Nov 13, 2016 7:13:21 GMT
If you watch the video again they actually show a size comparison blue print of the Arks vs the Nexus which is basically what that picture is using (all be it with all detail removed for a solid blue color). The assumptions are more in relation to the Nexus vs the Citadel and kinda going from there. Which frankly I think make sense and are likely to end up being true. But the Nexus to the Ark size is same as the video so that's, if nothing else, definitely confirmed. Thanks! I'll check it out, again. The Nexus' size definitely makes sense, if it is one day to serve as the heart of a mass relay to the Milky Way, as many of us immediately started guessing. The Citadel is home to 17 million people. How freaking huge is the Nexus? I can see why some would question. Maybe the Nexus and Arks aren't as comparatively large as this image suggests? Wiki said Citadel was 13.2, maybe it's 17. Either way one thing you have to keep in mind is that the Citadel has 5 massive arms, each one has a ton of building on it - each one is a small city. The 'Ring' that all of those are connected to is basically the Presidium and few other areas, it makes up a very small part of the citadel. The Nexus, if the ring portion is the same general size as the Citadel (which I was guessing and this size comparison guess also seems to hit on) the Nexus wouldn't have nearly the amount of space. Nexus has 2 large wing/arms of it's own but there only about half as long as the Citadels, they also don't have 'skyscaper' buildings on them. I'm also pretty confident those involve the thrusters and other ship related things. Add to that the whole GI '100k' quote and yeah. I think the Nexus is gonna have about 50k people in total. Then again that 100k 'could' of been only in relation to the Nexus it's self, I didn't actually consider that. Either way, yeah, the Nexus is big for sure, but the Citadel still dwarfs it. Rather considerably I'd say. Your talking the Ring and about 1-ish of the 'arms' worth of the Citadel vs all 5 arms + city buildings. My guess was like a 5th of the Citadel in total size, with way less the population obviously.
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Post by maxon on Nov 13, 2016 11:20:13 GMT
It's fan made but seems like there is some level of accuracy to it. Weird....the Nexus seems like a lying down H. By the way, the Destiny Ascension had a crew of 10 thousand. Considering most people inside the Ark are on cryosleep pods their population is probably bigger. They'd really have to cram em in there if it was 100k. Plus each Ark still has to function 'as' an actual ship FOR however many people it happens to be carrying with it is, which is something else to consider. So it's not just 'well you could cram this many people in cryopods' cause wheres all the other shit? Mess hall for 100k people? Bridge, stations all that crap. I doubt the cryopods would get re-used as sleeping quarters either. Be kinda odd freezing/going in stasis just to sleep 'after' you arrived. I was wondering whether they were going to wake everyone up on arrival - might make more sense to wake up some and keep the rest on ice (so to speak) until a habitable world is ready for them to inhabit.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 13, 2016 11:42:55 GMT
This is what the creator of the image had to say on Reddit: "Guesses, based on the "Join the Andromeda Initiative" video where it shows an alliance cruiser physically docked to the Hyperion. Then the Orientation video shows the Ark's scale to the Nexus. After that I used wikis and Troodon80's references on Deviantart for the other ships and structures." https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/5cmk6m/meandromeda_starship_size_comparison/ Thanks for the references. I've always been a little iffy on these type of charts, perhaps unjustly at times, because I've seen so many bad ones. If the chain of references used by the artist is reliable, then who knows? It does have the look of something that is appropriately huge, yet way too big to be believed. The Citadel was built by THE REAPERS, after all, and was regarded as the marvel of the galaxy by untold cultures for millions of years. This thing is nearly as large. I know it isn't all about the size, but... it seems weird. A bit "weird", yeah. Like Crucible was the biggest co-project in history. Except that one mini-Citadel, which nobody cared about. Arks have Pathfinder ships and that's probably it, well maybe three fighters just for record. Arks could have some decent weapon on-board, but after weaponless Nomad I'm not even sure aboit it.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 13, 2016 11:47:24 GMT
I was wondering whether they were going to wake everyone up on arrival - might make more sense to wake up some and keep the rest on ice (so to speak) until a habitable world is ready for them to inhabit. Yeah I could see something like that, though they are expecting the planet they arrive at to be inhabitable. I'm sure they have some contingency plan in case the planet is inhabited already or was turned into a hostile environment during the trip or something. Then you got some of those people may not even want to stick around and I'm sure most don't like the idea of being stuck in stasis while a skeleton crew 'finds a suitable place'. I mean putting your faith in the ship to get you there as a group is one thing. Being ok with other people deciding when your able to wake up is I dunno, seems worse to me somehow. Trusting a computer to just be like 'yeah we're here, everyone wake up' vs waiting for someone to find a place and flip the switch. Then you have the Destiny Ascension 'fact' of nearly 10k 'crew members'. Not a crew of whatever plus a buncha civilians just living on the ship. Which leads me to think a ship that size probably needs a pretty damn big screw. I'd imagine it has multiple squads of engineers and people to deal with keeping the ship running in general. I mean if you think of Star Trek yeah you got some civilians on board (it has a lot of people) but the engineer team is huge. Not like 3 dudes are trying to run all over a small city keeping it working. edit: I really, really hope we get to walk around on the Hyperion prior to it going down. Looks like we where kinda sitting or chatting with the Asari doc prior to it all going to hell. Fingers crossed for something like that before... Booom.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 13, 2016 13:48:45 GMT
The citadel is 40 kilometers long and half as wide and it has 13 million people on it?
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