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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 22:20:34 GMT
Honestly, I totally understand where you're coming from @blastosrevenge . I'm freaking raging right now and it takes all the willpower I have not to write a never ending rant right now. I love BioWare, they're my company. I've always bought their games no matter what and always defended them. But lately they're making it pretty tough to stay positive. It sucks being ignored and seeing other people get more and better things, while you sit there and get nothing. It's not like we're asking for much. We're asking for Liam to close his freaking eyes during the last kiss. Everything else is a bonus. Yet, we've gotten nothing. Same here. I wouldn ´ t be able to write this better. I ´ ve been playing all BW games for many years...they are ´ responsible ´ for my most beloved and cherished gaming experiences. So this...really blows.
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Post by Kitsumi on Jul 6, 2017 22:30:52 GMT
I'll need a new glasses or something because I didn't notice anything "improved" or "polished" with Liam, it's all the same as before .
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Post by cmoe on Jul 6, 2017 22:33:48 GMT
I think it's a good idea Gilsa I know I've had the bug where Liam thinks I've held Verand. The only other issue I know of, if you don't count lack of content, is the messed up kissing animation.
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Post by Kitsumi on Jul 6, 2017 22:43:22 GMT
It's not just only that their eyes are open, they don't move a single MUSCLE of their face when they're kissing!!! You can see it in the gifs I posted, they rub their faces with each other with their eyes open, QUALITY... .
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 6, 2017 22:45:11 GMT
Hey Tiberius Any chance we could get an acknowledgment? Would be super. Not much I can add here that I didn't already say in the other thread, sorry.
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Post by yeah rip on Jul 6, 2017 22:53:32 GMT
I'm sorry about Liam, guys :/ And Reyes. I'm a hardcore Jaal fangirl, but it's not fair how he gets all the attention when there was nothing really wrong with him in the first place, imo. I hope they'll remember Liam in the next patch(es), at least
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Post by Chiantirose on Jul 6, 2017 23:14:46 GMT
Hey Tiberius Any chance we could get an acknowledgment? Would be super. Not much I can add here that I didn't already say in the other thread, sorry. Thanks for responding. I know criticism sucks and I apologize for coming off like a jerk, I seriously didn't expect a response. I just don't understand the difference of quality in the LI scenes. It's frustrating looking at Cora, Peebee or Jaal and seeing how much effort and attention to detail were put in to them and then you have Liam's and he is one of the Main LI's. Most of his kissing is done at such an angle to hide the lips not touching or the eyes being open. That's the main complain that many people here have. The fact that we can't even have Liam close his eyes at the last kiss on Meridian. It seems that the only things that are being fixed (when it comes to LI's ) are the ones with the loudest supporters and we all know Liam isn't that popular. *takes of tinfoil hat* We haven't gotten any acknowledgment, like "We know what you're talking about. We're looking into it." That does get frustrating. I appreciate everything you're doing and am glad the game has improved with all the work everyone has put in. I don't mean to come off like a hater, I loved the game from day 1, still do. I just wish things would be more fair and that there would be more communication between BW and their fans.
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Post by Kitsumi on Jul 6, 2017 23:19:59 GMT
I see everything the same not only the romance but it will be me then. This is important too, Ryder doesn't close her eyes either not only Liam in every kiss we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 23:52:46 GMT
I'm sorry about Liam, guys :/ And Reyes. I'm a hardcore Jaal fangirl, but it's not fair how he gets all the attention when there was nothing really wrong with him in the first place, imo. I hope they'll remember Liam in the next patch(es), at least In the light of everything that was said above, I highly doubt it. It ´ s not fair, but it ´ s the reality. And it ´ s not exactly pretty reality. Have to go get some sleep...maybe it will dull the disappointment.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 7, 2017 2:08:54 GMT
On the bright side, the romance could be a lot worse.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jul 7, 2017 2:23:48 GMT
Actually, imo, the romance itself is perfectly fine. I think what we are talking about are the craptastic animations for 2 of t he 3 kisses you get from him. At least that's what *I* have been complaining about. The kiss on the couch he has his arm wrapped around your head, probably so you can't see that their kiss isn't animated at all. And the kiss at the end of the game their faces are completely emotionless and they have, as my son called it when I showed it to him, the "thousand yard stare." (The other kiss is at the end of the lovers leap and from a distance so it can't be seen anyways). I love his romance. For me, I would just like for the kisses to not look like two dolls shoving their faces together I did play for a bit today and some of the animations do look better. I like how Addison is prioritized, but Liam is... not?? What? I mean, I do appreciate all the work they are putting into the patches, but that makes no sense to me. Liam should absolutely be higher on the list than Addison....again. On a different topic: does anyone know if they fixed the quest you get from the angaran in the cultural center? I've completed it twice but was unable to turn it in either time. Also the "medicine" quest on Kardara? I forget what it was called. I believe the idea Gilsa mentioned is a good one, btw.
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Post by ashoken on Jul 7, 2017 3:07:28 GMT
--snip-- How about we collectively make a list of Liam improvements that need to be done? Real bugs like his eyes being open during that kiss and him mistakenly calling Ryder a jerk when Ryder did not take that dialogue option. And once we've polished it, we can submit it to the bug forum here and collectively upvote it so it stays on their radar: answers.ea.com/t5/Mass-Effect-Andromeda/ct-p/mass-effect-andromeda-enSound like a plan? Gilsa is wise. Add to the list, the awkward kiss on the couch and let us have a beer with Liam throughout the game! Still, I would rather see Andromeda DLC with Liam involved than anything else. I didn't even notice the finale kiss was borked until I started hanging out here. And I'd played through two Liam romances at that point. I can put up with eye-popping zombie kisses if there's going to be more to this game. Luckily for us, we do have Kitsumi, awesome mod goddess. You have no idea how much I appreciate the hard work you've been doing for Sara and Liam. So, Tiberius, thank you for the reply. I know you guys have your hands tied in knots tighter than even the Iron Bull can tie, and you work hard. It shows. At least I think so. So, work hard on some DLC. I'm not jealous of the Jaal, Cora, Peebmancers. They got the good stuff this time around. Next time, we will. In the meantime, we will always have this lovable lub. Does anyone else want to know what he looked like 'fiercely bearded?"
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Post by Kitsumi on Jul 7, 2017 11:08:27 GMT
Morning all! How are you doing today? *Hugs for all*. I posted here about Liam ending kiss answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Liam-kiss-scene-wide-open-eyes/td-p/6147840 it was an existing post created tonight, can you enter and click the "Me Too" button and add some comment if you like?. Maybe they'll notice if we are many with the problem , I'll be happy if they fix the ending kiss at least...
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Post by Liadan on Jul 7, 2017 12:44:01 GMT
Morning all! How are you doing today? *Hugs for all*. I posted here about Liam ending kiss answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Liam-kiss-scene-wide-open-eyes/td-p/6147840 it was an existing post created tonight, can you enter and click the "Me Too" button and add some comment if you like?. Maybe they'll notice if we are many with the problem , I'll be happy if they fix the ending kiss at least... Done !
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Post by cmoe on Jul 7, 2017 13:05:07 GMT
Awww, Thank you I know I needed that hug. I'm glad today is better! Good Morning!
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Post by yeah rip on Jul 7, 2017 13:06:53 GMT
I'm sorry about Liam, guys :/ And Reyes. I'm a hardcore Jaal fangirl, but it's not fair how he gets all the attention when there was nothing really wrong with him in the first place, imo. I hope they'll remember Liam in the next patch(es), at least In the light of everything that was said above, I highly doubt it. It ´ s not fair, but it ´ s the reality. And it ´ s not exactly pretty reality. Have to go get some sleep...maybe it will dull the disappointment. I understand why you're being skeptical, honestly, I'm not feeling too optimistic either. But at least now we know for sure that Ian is aware that Liam's fans aren't happy. They've been doing cosmetic changes since 1.05 (that's why I find the whole "there are other priorities" reasoning strange), they really don't have any excuse not to at least let Liam and Sara close their eyes while they kiss in the next patch (and work on Reyes etc), unless they decide to make Jaal more photorealistic or go all out and do mocap for him or something. I'm not hating on Jaal, I love him, but I just find it puzzling that the devs give him so much attention and neglect other LIs. He already had the most nuanced facial animations in the romance scenes, imo, all the tweaks just feel like treats to me, not some top priority stuff. To lighten things up, I'll just say something nice abut Liam for no particular reason - to me, he's the most irreplaceable member of the crew along with Jaal but I'm trash like that don't mind me. Many people could fill Cora's or Suvi's shoes (not hating them, I love all of the crew), but Liam's "special brand fo diplomacy" is his only. Even if he's being naive sometimes, I think his ideals and earnestness are special and very needed in the team, and AI in general.
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Post by Kitsumi on Jul 7, 2017 13:35:44 GMT
Thank you all, you're the best ! I can tell you this is a bug intentioned or not, a really big one, they don't have any animation at all in their face because their face bones are missing for this animation, I experienced something similar when I modded Cora's scene for Liam and it was a problem with the face bones, they didn't close their eyes or make any expression at all, I can "break" the scene and upload some gifs to show you what I'm talking about.
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Post by ashoken on Jul 7, 2017 13:42:10 GMT
Morning all! How are you doing today? *Hugs for all*. I posted here about Liam ending kiss answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Liam-kiss-scene-wide-open-eyes/td-p/6147840 it was an existing post created tonight, can you enter and click the "Me Too" button and add some comment if you like?. Maybe they'll notice if we are many with the problem , I'll be happy if they fix the ending kiss at least... Done!
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Post by Kitsumi on Jul 7, 2017 13:53:36 GMT
I love you all! Hit the "Me too" button helps a lot thank you so much .
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Post by cmoe on Jul 7, 2017 13:56:03 GMT
I love you all! Hit the "Me too" button helps a lot thank you so much . I love my Liam family! I'm so glad wanting to show my support for him got me to finally post on this forum. Liam is always bringing people together.
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Post by Kitsumi on Jul 7, 2017 14:09:38 GMT
I love my Liam family! I'm so glad wanting to show my support for him got me to finally post on this forum. Liam is always bringing people together. Yeah, me too, me too! so happy for that .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 14:19:18 GMT
I love my Liam family! I'm so glad wanting to show my support for him got me to finally post on this forum. Liam is always bringing people together. Yeah, me too, me too! so happy for that . I know, right? I ´ m still a bit angry but being here helps...I am so grateful for that. Have a Liam: imgur.com/rIoN1sS.png
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 14:49:29 GMT
Thank you all, you're the best ! I can tell you this is a bug intentioned or not, a really big one, they don't have any animation at all in their face because their face bones are missing for this animation, I experienced something similar when I modded Cora's scene for Liam and it was a problem with the face bones, they didn't close their eyes or make any expression at all, I can "break" the scene and upload some gifs to show you what I'm talking about.*Sigh* Why I am not surprised by this at all? Really don ´ t know what went wrong and why exactly...I have my theories, but I think it ´ s best to keep them to myself.
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Post by Kitsumi on Jul 7, 2017 14:59:02 GMT
Thank you all, you're the best ! I can tell you this is a bug intentioned or not, a really big one, they don't have any animation at all in their face because their face bones are missing for this animation, I experienced something similar when I modded Cora's scene for Liam and it was a problem with the face bones, they didn't close their eyes or make any expression at all, I can "break" the scene and upload some gifs to show you what I'm talking about.*Sigh* Why I am not surprised by this at all? Really don ´ t know what went wrong and why exactly...I have my theories, but I think it ´ s best to keep them to myself. Here's the gif with the modded Cora's scene, this happened to me when testing with my custom Ryder, remember this face? No expression at all and eyes open, but they still animate their entire body but not their face. I forgot to connect their face bones file to the models right so they don't animate their face. That's because it's a separated skeleton for the entire model and their face so I suspect this happens with our scene, they didn't connect their face bones right. So it's a bug like a house (something we said in my language but it doesn't sound that good in English ).
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