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Post by MPApr2012 on Apr 13, 2020 12:12:35 GMT
Right. So we are actually debating this. Sigh. Ah well, i'm with Q5 on this. Both Asari adepts are superior, more versatile and are more fun to play. Yeah, yeah call it blueberries bias, whatever. But even AJA (my least favourite them all) trumps HSent wth to superior crowd control (no need for some shitty acolyte iether) and her stackable DR (shush, you stupid toasters, shush i says) With stacking Reave and Bubble, AJA has better DR, I'll grant you that... and go on to state that the best defense is good offense. Even when soloing, defense is pertinent only insofar as it lets you maintain a high damage output. fair enough. the comparison i've tried to drawn to here was of the static DR off the TA and the stacking one of AJA. but a moot point really like you say not necessarily sold here. the key difference for me here is that Pull is not only the stagger but also is a primer (here goes the earlier CC) which makes the power stand out and has its advantages in itself. plus the silly DoT it carries is quite entertaining in its own right i obviously won't be countering anything here due to my obvious lack of experience. but the Acolyte though doesn't get as much hate as the Reetard sadly. I'm fortunate enough not to having to endure Platinum much, so this abomination is out of my arsenal nor do i have to craft my builds around ithey to be fair, i'm not disputing the warp+throw combo here i am either. i know a kit that's quite ...efficient at it, too. HSent's case though on the other hand, i am not so convinced. is there a boon that TA (their unqiue power) gives that makes them stand out? nopers. don't think so.curious. can you give an example of another tier 1 here? Vanilla AA She's Awesumsauce The extra points for style though. at least when it come to some of them have to admit i do catch myself on thinking wouldn't mind a month long break at all about now. or even before this whole situation unraveled. but then it passes, there's still...stuff to do.. anyways do stay safe mate, it's important.
where the fuck have you seen me arguing that evar? it's the truth adn when one talks blueberries it's even more so Edit: edits, edits, edits...
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 13, 2020 12:55:21 GMT
I had no idea until today that it's unpopular but Asari Adept > Human Sentinel. Stasis is the MVP against all high DPS enemies except turrets while Tech Armor is unnecessary and just slows down power use. have you been reading reddit again. it does you no good, you knw that right... smh. who would even consider comparing the llovely blueberry to the hsent. smh. oh. oh. do tell, has the use of the acolyte by any chance used to stand up that contrived argument? Yes. After declaring jihad against redditors, I needed to learn how to recognize them. First sign: HSent+Inci Acolyte because of course this argument was used and fell to "both Fury and AA can do the same and do it better bc faster recharge".
Also, I'm amazed with their amazement over killing a Ravager on Gold with just Warp+Inci Acolyte+Throw while AA with Arc Pistol doesn't even get to detonate lmao
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Post by xelander on Apr 13, 2020 13:06:25 GMT
i obviously won't be countering anything here due to my obvious lack of experience. but the Acolyte though doesn't get as much hate as the Reetard sadly. I'm fortunate enough not to having to endure Platinum much, so this abomination is out of my arsenal nor do i have to craft my builds around it.... curious. can you give an example of another tier 1 here? Acolyte belongs to the special group of weapons that should never have been added to the game, like Reetard and Venom, or Wraith with it's current damage/weight balancing, or Krysae before it was nerfed into oblivion. I've used it almost exclusively for themed challenges and only sometimes on the AJA to maximize Pull.
As for tier 1 kits - any Vanilla Human (though the Vanguard for slightly more different reasons than the others), anything with grenades, excepting Homing ones (it's a trap!!!), Asaris, excepting the AJA, OG Turians, DAI and so forth. Tier 2 would be less powerful stuff, like female Quarians, Shadow, ACA, Salarian Engie, etc. Or something with flaws like the Quarksman.
Then, there is the abomination tier with all the flamers and Sexbots and TGIs....
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Post by docsteely on Apr 13, 2020 19:17:49 GMT
This thread is fun... P.S. Also xelander, in the context of your weapons enumeration, don't you think that if you add the Wraith or Venom, you could easily also add the Arc Pistol or the GPS ? I mean I agree about the Cheesegar or the Lolcolyte or even the Carrier, but I'm not so sure about the rest...
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Post by Urizen on Apr 13, 2020 21:14:42 GMT
...Tech Armor is unnecessary and just slows down power use. I said nonfactor when it comes to survivability in the scenario given. Never said unnecessary. Major difference. TA does come with a penalty to CDs though. But maybe I just misunderstood this Fred and you should ignore my nightly ramblings.
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Post by burningcherry on Apr 13, 2020 21:34:12 GMT
...Tech Armor is unnecessary and just slows down power use. I said nonfactor when it comes to survivability in the scenario given. Never said unnecessary. Major difference. TA does come with a penalty to CDs though. But maybe I just misunderstood this Fred and you should ignore my nightly ramblings.
I didn't intend to object to anything I remember you saying. Anyway, I don't understand what you mean because "nonfactor" is a special case of "unnecessary".
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HSent is better than AJA and worse than AA. Tech Armor lacks a proper offensive evolution, or at least some kind of utility, as it did in ME2. It's just DR, and DR works much better with tankier kits than the Vanillas. Right. So we are actually debating this. Or not. My comprehensions is waving us a hullo from the gurgler. Ah well, i'll tak a stab and say i'm with Q5 on this (i also agree on TA downsides btw). Both Asari adepts are superior, more versatile and are more fun to play. Yeah, yeah call it blueberries bias, whatever. But even the AJA (my least favourite them all) trumps HSent due to the extra nicety such as the crowd control (no need for some shitty acolyte iether) and her stackable DR (shush, you stupid toasters, shush i says) Edit: yes, just like few of us ima now cross-referencing prestaciouschallenges.com . but this is where the bias kicks in *lalalala* plus the 3 years in-between the TTT's and Pfefferi's runs is enough to claim inconclusive i says. Edit: ima gos leep now Edit: how many fucking edits do i need already yeah there's probably an argument that could be made that the H-Sentinel is a better individual kit than the AJA, because the Sentinel doesn't really need any synergy with teammates to wreck shop. But the AJA has much more potential, with a synergistic team, in virtue of the Almighty Bubble and stacking debuffs and all that jazz. But the AA vs HS is a no-brainer, they are basically the same kit except the AA has an actually useful 3rd power (Statis >>>>>> Tech Armor, obviously, unless you're Turian, then Tech Armor= God) and a better dodge and melee, so the suggestion that the HSentinel is as good/better than the AA is just crazy talk.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Apr 13, 2020 22:02:03 GMT
i obviously won't be countering anything here due to my obvious lack of experience. but the Acolyte though doesn't get as much hate as the Reetard sadly. I'm fortunate enough not to having to endure Platinum much, so this abomination is out of my arsenal nor do i have to craft my builds around it.... curious. can you give an example of another tier 1 here? Acolyte belongs to the special group of weapons that should never have been added to the game, like Reetard and Venom, or Wraith with it's current damage/weight balancing, or Krysae before it was nerfed into oblivion. I've used it almost exclusively for themed challenges and only sometimes on the AJA to maximize Pull. i despise it to the point of so far even avoiding the challenges requiring it sadly. well you see this is where i disagree. from that i'm assuming your tiers are related to the power/efficiency (do we count skill ceilings?). so that squarely places HSent to Tier 2 since the Vanilla AA, and i assume the Fury, is already in Tier 1 i.e. HSent performs worse then them, so needs to go into a different tier not dissimilarily to your placement of the Quarksman. the AJA on the other hand is a Tier 1, one of the chars recommended for forayin into no-cheese Platinum solos remember. And i'm saying this although i'm not as huge AJA fan as GruntKitterhand is for instance yeah there... let's just not go there. P.S. i love homing grenades, they're great. The Demogrill, Saboteur, even DAI when feeling like it. That i guess will be another unpopular opinion
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Post by MPApr2012 on Apr 13, 2020 22:12:44 GMT
have you been reading reddit again. it does you no good, you knw that right... smh. who would even consider comparing the llovely blueberry to the hsent. smh. oh. oh. do tell, has the use of the acolyte by any chance used to stand up that contrived argument? Yes. After declaring jihad against redditors, I needed to learn how to recognize them. First sign: HSent+Inci Acolyte because of course this argument was used and fell to "both Fury and AA can do the same and do it better bc faster recharge". throw another in you toolbox, never use disruptor ammo. ap ammo is useless for biotic kits. and i might remember some more yip, scrubs, scrubs everywhere. and the majority of their self-proclaimed experts... *eyeroll* there's indeed a couple that do know a thing or two and a handful of BSN (either this or the Prime) castaways, but the rest back then tried to explain couple of things, but gave up them when it's clear they're not there to listen or comprehend. i also remember going through their build compendium that resulted in fits of laughter here and there, bunch of wot-wotss, and some general confusion.
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Acolyte belongs to the special group of weapons that should never have been added to the game, like Reetard and Venom, or Wraith with it's current damage/weight balancing, or Krysae before it was nerfed into oblivion. I've used it almost exclusively for themed challenges and only sometimes on the AJA to maximize Pull. i despise it to the point of so far even avoiding the challenges requiring it sadly. Not the only challenges you avoid...
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Post by Urizen on Apr 13, 2020 22:29:22 GMT
I said nonfactor when it comes to survivability in the scenario given. Never said unnecessary. Major difference. TA does come with a penalty to CDs though. But maybe I just misunderstood this Fred and you should ignore my nightly ramblings.
I didn't intend to object to anything I remember you saying. Anyway, I don't understand what you mean because "nonfactor" is a special case of "unnecessary". First off, we are good then and I misunderstood this Fred. Sorry Fred. And I took unnecessary as being useless, like ever. Misunderstanding on my part then.
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Post by Urizen on Apr 13, 2020 22:40:13 GMT
Acolyte belongs to the special group of weapons that should never have been added to the game, like Reetard and Venom, or Wraith with it's current damage/weight balancing, or Krysae before it was nerfed into oblivion. I've used it almost exclusively for themed challenges and only sometimes on the AJA to maximize Pull. i despise it to the point of so far even avoiding the challenges requiring it sadly. The only reason I'd ever consider using that gun would be to deal with fantums onhost ( and ofc as a shieldstripper for flamer ), but given that spot is taken by the Scorpion *shrugs*.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Apr 14, 2020 3:04:38 GMT
i despise it to the point of so far even avoiding the challenges requiring it sadly. Not the only challenges you avoid... Doc pls. It's not like i'm not making an effort. For instance, this weekend i've made a concious effort to actually think about giving it a go, then think about it some more. alsmost got to the point of actually trying, but then just went and played a couple of public games. There, see. 'A' for effort.
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Post by docsteely on Apr 14, 2020 3:40:50 GMT
Not the only challenges you avoid... Doc pls. It's not like i'm not making an effort. For instance, this weekend i've made a concious effort to actually think about giving it a go, then think about it some more. alsmost got to the point of actually trying, but then just went and played a couple of public games. There, see. 'A' for effort. Sorry, Apry, but I couldn't resist ...
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Post by muahmuah on Apr 14, 2020 5:06:16 GMT
X3l,what is this nonsense.. Venom and Wraith,lol. Like Doc already pointed out let's get rid of arc,which is even lighter and kills faster than both. Venom sucks vs the bosses as well.If you put it in this way,let's get rid of Talon,Saber,GPS,Typhon,PPR,Hurricane,Raider. They are all light and have good DPS.Well,gwt rid of everything ,but Claymore. Right? X3l,pls.
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Post by MPApr2012 on Apr 14, 2020 5:15:10 GMT
*white noise* Well,gwt rid of everything ,but Claymore. Right? *white noise* FINALLY!!! IT IS SAID!!! THE TIME HAS COME!!! IT'S GONNA BE GLORIOUS!!!! PRAISE THE HIGH LORD!!!!
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Post by xelander on Apr 14, 2020 7:28:41 GMT
well you see this is where i disagree. from that i'm assuming your tiers are related to the power/efficiency (do we count skill ceilings?). so that squarely places HSent to Tier 2 since the Vanilla AA, and i assume the Fury, is already in Tier 1 i.e. HSent performs worse then them, so needs to go into a different tier not dissimilarily to your placement of the Quarksman. the AJA on the other hand is a Tier 1, one of the chars recommended for forayin into no-cheese Platinum solos remember. And i'm saying this although i'm not as huge AJA fan as GruntKitterhand is for instance Don't worry about it too much, it's more of an off the cuff tier classification, that I mean to be neither exhaustive nor rigid; it's gonna be impossible to do this properly, anyway. Also, I think you misunderstood me, I meant S-tier as a God/Super tier, the one above tier 1. As in AA, GI and DAI are better than the best of all the rest. Hmm, should OG Turians be in there, too? Oh, whatever.... X3l,what is this nonsense.. Venom and Wraith,lol. Like Doc already pointed out let's get rid of arc,which is even lighter and kills faster than both. Venom sucks vs the bosses as well.If you put it in this way,let's get rid of Talon,Saber,GPS,Typhon,PPR,Hurricane,Raider. They are all light and have good DPS.Well,gwt rid of everything ,but Claymore. Right? X3l,pls. Venom trivializes everything but bosses, including and especially phantrolls. Not to mention that it is about as annoying as flamer in a team game. Wraith is something we will never agree on. That weight to damage ratio is wrong and that's a hill I'm willing to die on. All the other weapons you listed have some weakness or skill requirement that precludes them from being overpowered to the point of being obnoxious.
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well you see this is where i disagree. from that i'm assuming your tiers are related to the power/efficiency (do we count skill ceilings?). so that squarely places HSent to Tier 2 since the Vanilla AA, and i assume the Fury, is already in Tier 1 i.e. HSent performs worse then them, so needs to go into a different tier not dissimilarily to your placement of the Quarksman. the AJA on the other hand is a Tier 1, one of the chars recommended for forayin into no-cheese Platinum solos remember. And i'm saying this although i'm not as huge AJA fan as GruntKitterhand is for instance Don't worry about it too much, it's more of an off the cuff tier classification, that I mean to be neither exhaustive nor rigid; it's gonna be impossible to do this properly, anyway. Also, I think you misunderstood me, I meant S-tier as a God/Super tier, the one above tier 1. As in AA, GI and DAI are better than the best of all the rest. Hmm, should OG Turians be in there, too? Oh, whatever.... X3l,what is this nonsense.. Venom and Wraith,lol. Like Doc already pointed out let's get rid of arc,which is even lighter and kills faster than both. Venom sucks vs the bosses as well.If you put it in this way,let's get rid of Talon,Saber,GPS,Typhon,PPR,Hurricane,Raider. They are all light and have good DPS.Well,gwt rid of everything ,but Claymore. Right? X3l,pls. Venom trivializes everything but bosses, including and especially phantrolls. Not to mention that it is about as annoying as flamer in a team game. Wraith is something we will never agree on. That weight to damage ratio is wrong and that's a hill I'm willing to die on. All the other weapons you listed have some weakness or skill requirement that precludes them from being overpowered to the point of being obnoxious. What is the arc's weakness for example?Or Talon,Saber?I am really curious. Also how these weapons require more skills than Wraith? P.S. if you are skilled you will make every weapon working,if you are not you will suck regardless of the weapon.This argument is not so valid.And one more thing,Wraith being OP to the point being obnoxious. Wtf man. Have you ever tried to speedrun with wraith. The most used weapons for the goal are-Venom,Reetard,Arc,Crusader and even BW. There is a reason for it. They can kill fast. They are the fastest killers. Even talon is more used probably. Wraith sure,has a great DPS ,but also a weird delay between the shots. Already tested all weapons as killing speed and deffinitely wraith is not that OP.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Apr 14, 2020 10:01:24 GMT
This thread is fun... QFMFT My name was called earlier, so I just have to add (once more) than the Acolyte Justicar is one of my absolute favourite kits in the whole game. Prima Ballerina. I must however emphasize that I don't use the gun on any other character. Ever. And I generally use Cryo ammo with her because why the fuck not? The lols are real. Warp ammo on Plat. I pretty much suck with the HS. But I love the AA, esp with Suppressor. I am willing to chair a meeting of Scrubs Anonymous anytime I'm required.
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Post by DistigousForest on Apr 14, 2020 11:02:32 GMT
ap ammo is useless for biotic kits. Now listen here you sum bitch, don't you go telling me my AP ammo is useless. Idc what kit it is, gimme dat piercing. I'll put that shit on an Acolyte just for you Not the only challenges you avoid... Doc pls. It's not like i'm not making an effort. For instance, this weekend i've made a concious effort to actually think about giving it a go, then think about it some more. alsmost got to the point of actually trying, but then just went and played a couple of public games. There, see. 'A' for effort. Are we like, best friends? I did the very same thing, but played some Dark Souls instead of pugging Hmm, should OG Turians be in there, too? If it matters here's my 2 cents: I would put at the least the TSol in that S-tier. My trinity of s-tier for this game is GI, DAI, TSol. The more I think about how versatile and powerful the AA is she could go in there too. Damn I need to play that lovely blueberry more. What is the arc's weakness for example? Me. I'm the Arc's weakness, also PUGs that don't know to charge the damn thing. But you're right Arc Pistol OP as hell. I don't think there is a weakness. Saber I'd say it's bloom is why I don't use it much on kits that aren't Geth or the Destroyer. It's just beautiful on the Destroyer. But I love the AA, esp with Suppressor. Will vouch for this kit and you using this kit. I used it the other day to carry some gold PUGs to victory 10/10 would recommend. MPApr2012 I even used APIII on it!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 11:22:13 GMT
I love the AA, esp with Suppressor. its really a shame they never buffed the ammo capacity on the Suppressor, because it is a very fun gun. Use it all the time in SP.
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Post by DistigousForest on Apr 14, 2020 11:27:24 GMT
I love the AA, esp with Suppressor. its really a shame they never buffed the ammo capacity on the Suppressor, because it is a very fun gun. Use it all the time in SP. Same here, the thing is a beast in SP and I used it on my Sentinel Shepard. The damn thing eats ammo like it's candy in MP and I usually use all my Ops packs Thermal clips when I equip it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 11:48:50 GMT
its really a shame they never buffed the ammo capacity on the Suppressor, because it is a very fun gun. Use it all the time in SP. Same here, the thing is a beast in SP and I used it on my Sentinel Shepard. The damn thing eats ammo like it's candy in MP and I usually use all my Ops packs when I equip it. I love it on Infiltrator Shepard, makes you feel like James Bond or something. Plus you can get a whole bunch of + ammo capacity bonuses in SP that moot its only downside, i.e. its minuscule ammo capacity relative to the high RoF (think its the Armax armor pieces that give + ammo capacity, ammo powers rank 5 grants + ammo capacity, can also get + ammo capacity upgrades on Glyph/Liara's terminal). But yeah if you use it in MP you're going to be using all your thermal clip packs, and be humping the shit out of ammo boxes all game long. Even the + ammo capacity from Armored Compartments, or the +3 extra thermal clips from Assault gear often aren't enough to mitigate the ludicrously low ammo capacity.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Apr 14, 2020 12:08:05 GMT
its really a shame they never buffed the ammo capacity on the Suppressor, because it is a very fun gun. Use it all the time in SP. Same here, the thing is a beast in SP and I used it on my Sentinel Shepard. The damn thing eats ammo like it's candy in MP and I usually use all my Ops packs when I equip it. I'm assuming you mean TCPs - I invariably have around 255 of those in my inventory, so when I find myself running low on Ops packs or Gels I usually have a run with either the AA or a particularly psychotic Batarian grenade-chucker so that I can justify buying a few Reserves Packs to give a guaranteed boost to whatever I'm low in.* But yeah, agreed with you both on the SP Suppressor. * This may go some way to explaining why it took my 1690 hours to max my first manifest.
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Post by DistigousForest on Apr 14, 2020 12:18:08 GMT
I'm assuming you mean TCPs - I invariably have around 255 of those in my inventory, so when I find myself running low on Ops packs or Gels I usually have a run with either the AA or a particularly psychotic Batarian grenade-chucker so that I can justify buying a few Reserves Packs to give a guaranteed boost to whatever I'm low in.* Yeah that's what I meant It's fixed now. I love it on Infiltrator Shepard, makes you feel like James Bond or something. That's why I love it on the Drell Assassin!
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