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Post by JayKay on Feb 28, 2017 17:47:17 GMT
Can I say this? I have a thing for the 'blue babe' trope. Asari, Drow/blue elves, Twi'lek, Chiss... but man oh man, is Cora hitting the sweet spot of punk badass soldier girl. Going to be reeeeaaaal hard for my socially sarcastic/military professional BroRyder to choose. While a relationship with multiple companions has never really been possible in previous games, maybe MEA could be a first? I haven't played it yet for myself or know how hard it is to do, but you can romance two companions together in Jade Empire. Let's play advocate here, and discuss the WHAT IF CORA IS TIM's DAUGHTER, how would you want them to handle it. I say one of two ways. Either Alec knows and took Cora under his wing to get her away from his influence, with Cora sorta pseudo idolizing him, bit there's less angst towards her father than there is doubt you can live up to Alec as a Pathfinder... Or she is a plant, and have to stop or redeem her. 'Villain' companions are rare, with, to my memory, only Bastila, Juhani and Solas being in the category (with arguably Isabella, Malavi Quinn and Morrigan just under that umbrella) . I don't mind the idea of actual conflict, so long as it has a happy ending. I think if she is indeed TIM's daughter, I would want it to not be specifically tied to Cerberus, but more on a personal level. Maybe she doesn't know the extent of his actions, just that he was a big mover and shaker in the "humanity first" movement and she tried to copy him on that front to try to get closer to him, to make it so she might get more recognition from him, but between his obsession with Cerberus and the Reapers and her getting with the asari, she lets that go. That could also be part of Cora and Ryder's romantic arc -- from what we're hearing, Alec is apparently very distant and hard to please, and maybe she sees a lot of herself in him when she was younger and, if she approves of your decisions as Pathfinder, decides to want to help him get past that. With freaky sex, apparently.Blasphemy. You've automatically revoked your lifetime butt-viewing privileges. On a more serious note, I'm not suggesting that Cora is a copy/paste of Miranda. All I am suggesting is that she was originally conceived from the original Miranda concept art. I think there's actually going to be quite a few differences between the two. Just on a superficial level, they have a lot of similarities. I think you are getting your hopes up if you think the butt shots won't be in the game, though. It's become a Mass Effect tradition. The torch must be passed on. Oh, I don't mind. Dat buttwindow... But with Miri they've overdone it a bit, after a while it lost its novelty and became sort of a joke. I once drew a bunny using the cheeks. So give me all the Cora butt you can, but maybe limit it to the actual romance. I understand if people are actually frustrated by it, in a way it's similar to forcing Kaidan/Liara on the player. I'll be perfectly happy if Cora is a (dreaded term incoming) strong female character. A TIM/Cerberus tie would come with a lot of baggage. No, tell me about her own accomplishments. I mean if she was invited to spend-live-fight-train 4 years with badass (they have a name, so they might be a big deal) asari commandos then she must be someone special. Well from an asari viewpoint it's like , I don't know ~1 week in a summer camp or something, but in human years it's quite the feat. The why didn't she become the pathfinder->earning her respect and related plots sound interesting enough on their own. First, on a light OT note -- it's a little annoying when people say that Miranda's stuff was ALL about her ass when in reality in two games there are about 3-4 shots in which her ass is in the forefront, one of which is exclusive to the romance path in 2. They really didn't focus on her ass nearly as much as people think they did, it was just simply THAT memorable. So are we saying Cora is around 31 in Andromeda? I dig it 😎 There have been some arguments that she might be in her mid-twenties, but the general consensus seems so be around late twenties or early thirties... (Ignoring stasis time of course.) Yeah, she looks about the same age as Shepard in ME1, give or take. It's funny that there have been people who said that makes the romance uncomfortable because of the age gap, but when you think about it, that's exactly the same age gap as Shepard and Tali in ME2/3. These scans from the art book posted on Imgur include a few iterations of Cora's character development. It could contain light spoilers, there are a few pics of characters that aren't squadmembers: imgur.com/a/bVjKDEh, they're okay, but it doesn't look like Cora. Like it or not, the haircut makes her stand out from the other female LI characters in ME. I am betting that is one of the first concepts probably floating the idea that she was a human with elite special force experience/training. Then they eventually settled on Asari special forces instead of human, since Alec fills that slot. Yes quite possibly, although the text on the image seems to suggest that the Asari connection was there from the start. Or maybe both Alec and Cora were meant to be N7 at first and maybe Alec personally trained her, but they decided that not only would it make Alec less unique, but it would also make her being passed up for being Pathfinder too hard for her to swallow.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 28, 2017 17:57:04 GMT
I don't know, am I the only one who's kind of over the whole N7 thing? I mean yeah it has some awesome precedent between Shepard and the ME3MP characters but really, N7 just means top ranked Special Forces. It's not an automatic godtier. Awesome characters aren't just awesome because they're N7 and not all N7s are awesome. Remember FailLeng was technically N7 too.
Point is, I'm ok with the protagonists not being N7 and I'm ok with Cora not being N7 either. If DadRyder is N7, great. But that's not what I'll judge him on.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 28, 2017 17:57:12 GMT
17 minutes of PeeBee's loyalty mission is up on youtube, posted by IGN. If it was Cora, I would avoid it for spoilers, but I don't see myself romancing Peebee. The favoritism Liara was shown in ME3 really left me not liking Asari archeologists. Here is the link: Peebee loyalty missionJust finished watching it. There aren't any heavy spoilers and it cuts before the end of her loyalty mission to avoid them. I think it is safe to say Cora and probably my Ryder will have some tension with Peebee. Squad mates have jet packs in addition to Ryder. Peebee uses one instead of biotics to assist with jumps. Also I didn't care much for Sara Ryder's voice acting, seemed..a bit to laid back given what lead to the situation and what they were doing. Maybe I am just use to Jennifer Hale.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 28, 2017 17:59:34 GMT
Also I didn't care much for Sara Ryders voice acting, seemed..a bit to laid back given what lead to the situation and what they were doing. Maybe I am just used to Jennifer Hale. Who, from what I've heard overdoes it for stuff like this. She's a phenomenal voice actress but I'm not a fan of her Shepard VO, such as I have heard it. I thought Sara was fine.
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Post by tylerbamafan34 on Feb 28, 2017 18:03:24 GMT
17 minutes of PeeBee's loyalty mission is up on youtube, posted by IGN. If it was Cora, I would avoid it for spoilers, but I don't see myself romancing Peebee. The favoritism Liara was shown in ME3 really left me not liking Asari archeologists. Here is the link: Peebee loyalty missionJust finished watching it. There aren't any heavy spoilers and it cuts before the end of her loyalty mission to avoid them. I think it is safe to say Cora and probably my Ryder will have some tension with Peebee. Squad mates have jet packs in addition to Ryder. Peebee uses one instead of biotics to assist with jumps. Also I didn't care much for Sara Ryder's voice acting, seemed..a bit to laid back given what lead to the situation and what they were doing. Maybe I am just use to Jennifer Hale. What Sara seems to be doing here is something Spider-Man fans like to call, Quipping. Keeping calm and cracking jokes and not letting people see how much she's freaking out on the inside. This could also be a save where the player was gearing Sara towards a more laid - back and casual style, so her ambient dialogue is more carefree
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 28, 2017 18:09:49 GMT
Also I didn't care much for Sara Ryders voice acting, seemed..a bit to laid back given what lead to the situation and what they were doing. Maybe I am just used to Jennifer Hale. Who, from what I've heard overdoes it for stuff like this. She's a phenomenal voice actress but I'm not a fan of her Shepard VO, such as I have heard it. I thought Sara was fine. Disagree. Having completed multiple playthroughs with both, I thought she was better than Mark Meer in the first game, and they're both great in subsequent games. No problem with Fryda's job here, though. The Ryders aren't supposed to be Shepard.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 28, 2017 18:16:08 GMT
Just finished watching it. There aren't any heavy spoilers and it cuts before the end of her loyalty mission to avoid them. I think it is safe to say Cora and probably my Ryder will have some tension with Peebee. Squad mates have jet packs in addition to Ryder. Peebee uses one instead of biotics to assist with jumps. Also I didn't care much for Sara Ryder's voice acting, seemed..a bit to laid back given what lead to the situation and what they were doing. Maybe I am just use to Jennifer Hale. What Sara seems to be doing here is something Spider-Man fans like to call, Quipping. Keeping calm and cracking jokes and not letting people see how much she's freaking out on the inside. This could also be a save where the player was gearing Sara towards a more laid - back and casual style, so her ambient dialogue is more carefree Yea I got that, it isn't so much the dialog but her tone. When Peter quips I always pictured a bit of underlining tension in his voice.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 28, 2017 18:22:17 GMT
What irked me in that video is that the guy kept rushing on without letting the banter play out, even though having played the level before he should've known that it was coming.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 28, 2017 18:25:40 GMT
What irked me in that video is that the guy kept rushing on without letting the banter play out, even though having played the level before he should've known that it was coming. The funny part is that he says he know that he needs to use squadmates in the mission...and then he doesn't use them
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 28, 2017 18:27:40 GMT
What irked me in that video is that the guy kept rushing on without letting the banter play out, even though having played the level before he should've known that it was coming. That and he is was terrible at aiming. He misfired his abilities numerous times. The AI looked a better probably due to normal difficulty instead of narrative difficulty; it was trying to flank and push him out of cover.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 28, 2017 18:29:21 GMT
While a relationship with multiple companions has never really been possible in previous games, maybe MEA could be a first? I haven't played it yet for myself or know how hard it is to do, but you can romance two companions together in Jade Empire. You definitely cannot, at least not in the way that you think. Jade Empire has the same situation that Mass Effect has. You have to make a choice, at least if you are a male. I was romancing both female companions and I was forced to pick one and dump the other.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 28, 2017 18:36:18 GMT
I don't know, am I the only one who's kind of over the whole N7 thing? I mean yeah it has some awesome precedent between Shepard and the ME3MP characters but really, N7 just means top ranked Special Forces. It's not an automatic godtier. Awesome characters aren't just awesome because they're N7 and not all N7s are awesome. Remember FailLeng was technically N7 too. Point is, I'm ok with the protagonists not being N7 and I'm ok with Cora not being N7 either. If DadRyder is N7, great. But that's not what I'll judge him on. It's kind of hard to have an opinion on the N7 Program one way or the other. We don't know anything about it, to be quite honest. We know it's the "elite special forces" of the Alliance. We know Shepard was its most famous member. Other than that, we really don't know anything else. I'd love to see N7 fleshed out in Andromeda, considering how iconic the emblem is and the fact that many associate it with Mass Effect. Early concept art for MEA gave us the impression that the Ryder siblings might become N7. They were even shown wearing the armor at Comic Con. Now, it appears they'll just have the capacity to wear N7 armor and that their father is the only N7 Operative. Whatever the case is, I just want BioWare to explain what it is in depth. I'm fine with us being the Pathfinder, as it's essentially the new "Spectre," but explaining something that has been in the franchise for a decade would be nice.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 28, 2017 18:38:37 GMT
Disagree. Having completed multiple playthroughs with both, I thought she was better than Mark Meer in the first game, and they're both great in subsequent games. No problem with Fryda's job here, though. The Ryders aren't supposed to be Shepard. People harp on Meer for ME1 but honestly, replaying it now, he sounds the most "military" to me out of all the games. Definitely between 1 and 3, 2 I may have to wait until I replay it to definitively judge. But yeah I like his sound, it sounds like tough combat vet and everything I want my Shepard to be. By comparison I find Hale overdramatizes the moments I've heard her in. Could work for a different vision of Shepard I suppose. I don't have a vision for Ryder yet so it could go either way. But I thought Sara sounded fine here.
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Post by JayKay on Feb 28, 2017 18:43:37 GMT
I haven't played it yet for myself or know how hard it is to do, but you can romance two companions together in Jade Empire. You definitely cannot, at least not in the way that you think. Jade Empire has the same situation that Mass Effect has. You have to make a choice, at least if you are a male. I was romancing both female companions and I was forced to pick one and dump the other. Huh, I could have swore I read something about how if you meet certain requirements, the characters Dawn Star and Silk Fox could form a triad with the player character, but I guess I'm wrong, I'm not seeing anything about it now... Oh well. Still, would be neat to see at some point in one of these games.
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Post by tylerbamafan34 on Feb 28, 2017 18:46:39 GMT
IGN generally has shitty gameplay videos anyway but... cringesthe dude completely missed the weight and power mechanics and barely was able to shoot straight.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 28, 2017 18:52:33 GMT
Disagree. Having completed multiple playthroughs with both, I thought she was better than Mark Meer in the first game, and they're both great in subsequent games. No problem with Fryda's job here, though. The Ryders aren't supposed to be Shepard. People harp on Meer for ME1 but honestly, replaying it now, he sounds the most "military" to me out of all the games. Definitely between 1 and 3, 2 I may have to wait until I replay it to definitively judge. But yeah I like his sound, it sounds like tough combat vet and everything I want my Shepard to be. By comparison I find Hale overdramatizes the moments I've heard her in. Could work for a different vision of Shepard I suppose. I don't have a vision for Ryder yet so it could go either way. But I thought Sara sounded fine here. Jennifer Hale is a great voice actor. Unfortunately, I thought she did a rather lackluster job as Shepard. I agree that I felt she was trying way too hard to pull off the "tough military" act. It just comes across as fake, whereas Mark Meer just seems to fit the role better. You can say he sounds wooden at times, but overall I think he just fits the personality of Shepard better. Reasonable minds may differ, but a lot of what goes into these voices is the personality of the actor. Meer is just a better fit in my eyes. You definitely cannot, at least not in the way that you think. Jade Empire has the same situation that Mass Effect has. You have to make a choice, at least if you are a male. I was romancing both female companions and I was forced to pick one and dump the other. Huh, I could have swore I read something about how if you meet certain requirements, the characters Dawn Star and Silk Fox could form a triad with the player character, but I guess I'm wrong, I'm not seeing anything about it now... Oh well. Still, would be neat to see at some point in one of these games. Nope. I tried to successfully romance both. I was never given that opportunity as Dawn Star, in particular, wouldn't even consider the thought. So I always went with Silk Folk, because for story reasons, she's a far more appealing choice. I won't spoil it on the off chance you actually play the game some day. Well, it depends on how it's executed. I don't think there should just be a three-way relationship because the fans want it. I think it would have to actually fit into the story and make sense.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 28, 2017 18:59:48 GMT
Ha! I listened to it again, apparently I was confusing Peebee's dialog with some of Ryder's. Makes more sense now why it was laid back in tone.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 28, 2017 19:21:23 GMT
Ha! I listened to it again, apparently I was confusing Peebee's dialog with some of Ryder's. Makes more sense now why it was laid back in tone. Yeah. Both the female voices were throwing me off at first. Ryder had a helmet on so it became clear most of the time when she was talking. Peebee had most of the light-hearted dialogue. It was pretty solid. I hate how terrible gaming journalist are at video games, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 19:32:54 GMT
Besides the aesthetic evolution of the character through different iterations, I thought her former N7 status as marked by her armor insignia would elicit more commentary and speculation from my fellow commenters in this thread. It is quite common that characters get several passes not only in their appearance, but also in their characterization and background. Maybe some changes were made because she was going to be too similar to other characters from the original trilogy. But the N7 insignia that is very unique, it would have made her stand out even more as part of the Human part of the AI mission. It would have been two N7 at least, Alex and Cora. She is sort of a field operations chief, which also led us to wonder why would Scott or Sara assume the role of Pathfinder instead of the 2nd in command. I just thought it was an interesting development, and maybe a good way to veer away from the hairstyle debate, haha. Cheers! How hard would it have been to give her hair like this? Jesus fuckin Christ.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 28, 2017 19:34:16 GMT
Besides the aesthetic evolution of the character through different iterations, I thought her former N7 status as marked by her armor insignia would elicit more commentary and speculation from my fellow commenters in this thread. It is quite common that characters get several passes not only in their appearance, but also in their characterization and background. Maybe some changes were made because she was going to be too similar to other characters from the original trilogy. But the N7 insignia that is very unique, it would have made her stand out even more as part of the Human part of the AI mission. It would have been two N7 at least, Alex and Cora. She is sort of a field operations chief, which also led us to wonder why would Scott or Sara assume the role of Pathfinder instead of the 2nd in command. I just thought it was an interesting development, and maybe a good way to veer away from the hairstyle debate, haha. Cheers! How hard would it have been to give her hair like this? Jesus fuckin Christ. I don't think it was about hard in this case, but likely a decision to change them given the similarities with Ashley's hairstyle.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 28, 2017 19:51:37 GMT
Besides the aesthetic evolution of the character through different iterations, I thought her former N7 status as marked by her armor insignia would elicit more commentary and speculation from my fellow commenters in this thread. It is quite common that characters get several passes not only in their appearance, but also in their characterization and background. Maybe some changes were made because she was going to be too similar to other characters from the original trilogy. But the N7 insignia that is very unique, it would have made her stand out even more as part of the Human part of the AI mission. It would have been two N7 at least, Alex and Cora. She is sort of a field operations chief, which also led us to wonder why would Scott or Sara assume the role of Pathfinder instead of the 2nd in command. I just thought it was an interesting development, and maybe a good way to veer away from the hairstyle debate, haha. Cheers! Looking more at the armor designs, I like idea that her armor is a combination of Alliance military armor and Asari commando leathers. Would be an interesting part of her back story if she designed her own armor based on her time with both militaries.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 28, 2017 20:33:30 GMT
I like her hair. ❤❤❤❤
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by JayKay on Feb 28, 2017 20:48:42 GMT
People harp on Meer for ME1 but honestly, replaying it now, he sounds the most "military" to me out of all the games. Definitely between 1 and 3, 2 I may have to wait until I replay it to definitively judge. But yeah I like his sound, it sounds like tough combat vet and everything I want my Shepard to be. By comparison I find Hale overdramatizes the moments I've heard her in. Could work for a different vision of Shepard I suppose. I don't have a vision for Ryder yet so it could go either way. But I thought Sara sounded fine here. Jennifer Hale is a great voice actor. Unfortunately, I thought she did a rather lackluster job as Shepard. I agree that I felt she was trying way too hard to pull off the "tough military" act. It just comes across as fake, whereas Mark Meer just seems to fit the role better. You can say he sounds wooden at times, but overall I think he just fits the personality of Shepard better. Reasonable minds may differ, but a lot of what goes into these voices is the personality of the actor. Meer is just a better fit in my eyes. That's kind of how I look at it too -- Hale wasn't BAD, and I can totally understand why people love her/Femshep so much, but Meer feels more "right" in his take on Shepard. Maybe if I did Femshep first that wouldn't be the case, but Hale's kind of feels like an actress trying and maybe overselling a gruff military attitude, whereas Meer's felt more like an authentic gruff, military attitude.
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Revan Reborn
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Feb 19, 2017 18:14:40 GMT
February 2017
revanreborn
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Pax_Augusta
Heero the pilot
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 28, 2017 20:49:50 GMT
Early iterations of Cora just looked way too much like Ashley. It wasn't just the hair bun, but also the face. Whoever was responsible for designing her must have been a pretty big Ash fan. I'm glad she ultimately came out looking very different. We had Ash for two games. I'd like to have someone different for Andromeda.
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February 2017
revanreborn
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Pax_Augusta
Heero the pilot
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 28, 2017 20:52:29 GMT
Jennifer Hale is a great voice actor. Unfortunately, I thought she did a rather lackluster job as Shepard. I agree that I felt she was trying way too hard to pull off the "tough military" act. It just comes across as fake, whereas Mark Meer just seems to fit the role better. You can say he sounds wooden at times, but overall I think he just fits the personality of Shepard better. Reasonable minds may differ, but a lot of what goes into these voices is the personality of the actor. Meer is just a better fit in my eyes. That's kind of how I look at it too -- Hale wasn't BAD, and I can totally understand why people love her/Femshep so much, but Meer feels more "right" in his take on Shepard. Maybe if I did Femshep first that wouldn't be the case, but Hale's kind of feels like an actress trying and maybe overselling a gruff military attitude, whereas Meer's felt more like an authentic gruff, military attitude. Agreed. A lot of FemShep fans like to say she has more passion in her voice than Meer. I just think she's overreacting more often than not, honestly. I think part of the problem was the script and Shepard having to go on monologues and give some inspirational speech before the end of the world. It was just over-the-top at times and I think Hale, and whoever her voice director was, struggled with that.
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