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Post by kumazan on Jan 30, 2017 18:33:09 GMT
I disagree that bending the rules makes someone necessarily a bad person. Did I say it does? I did not. There is a difference between a bad person and a genuinely good person. "Following the rules" doesn't make anyone a genuinely good person per se.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 30, 2017 18:33:23 GMT
I'd just like to have a crew where the majority are genuinely good people. Sad to see that Cora may not be. That's assuming a lot. Since when is fudging the rules a little bit, evil? Or conversely following rules to the letter necessarily good? Seems like you're ignoring some corners of the alignment chart there... Her profile reads more like someone who doesn't let bureaucracy get in her way rather than the Joker. She might even invoke Screw the Rules, I'm doing What's Right. Again, did I ever call her evil or even bad? No, I did not. What's up with the hyperbole?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 30, 2017 18:36:44 GMT
Again, did I ever call her evil or even bad? No, I did not. What's up with the hyperbole? Well define your terms then. What do you mean by "genuinely good person"?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 30, 2017 18:41:30 GMT
Again, did I ever call her evil or even bad? No, I did not. What's up with the hyperbole? Well define your terms then. What do you mean by "genuinely good person"? Lawful Good comes to mind in this case, though any of the Goods(to an extent) if the organization we are working for becomes not good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 18:46:28 GMT
Well define your terms then. What do you mean by "genuinely good person"? Lawful Good comes to mind in this case, though any of the Goods(to an extent) if the organization we are working for becomes not good. The entire point of the D&D alignment system is to demonstrate that there are multiple ways to be "good" -- and all of them are "genuinely good". Good is good in that system; it's just different approaches to lawfulness. A lawful good person is no more good than a chaotic good person. Just like a chaotic evil person is no more evil than a lawful evil person. In fact, lawful evil people are genuinely more terrifying in my opinion. Cora sounds more neutral good to me. She knows the rules and usually follows them, but knows how to break them when she feels it's necessary.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 30, 2017 18:47:53 GMT
Well define your terms then. What do you mean by "genuinely good person"? Lawful Good comes to mind in this case, though any of the Goods(to an extent) if the organization we are working for becomes not good. Ok, so why is Chaotic Good not "genuinely" good? Did you see the trope I linked?
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Post by bshep on Jan 30, 2017 19:01:38 GMT
What the problem with she bending the rules when necessary? Shepard did that several times and i don't remember people complaining about it. Anyway, now i have one more reason to bring Cora on my team, we are going to destroy all enemies with biotic power (since Vanguard is also my favorite class).
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 30, 2017 19:13:28 GMT
I disagree that bending the rules makes someone necessarily a bad person. Did I say it does? I did not. There is a difference between a bad person and a genuinely good person. Fair enough, I disagree though on the notion that bending the rules (at least if it's done for good) prevents someone from being a genuinely good person as well.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Jan 30, 2017 19:13:55 GMT
I always preferred Adept to Vanguard as I tend to favour crowd control over charging into the fray, but that doesn't seem to be how you play this game... I'll reserve judgement until I've actually had a go myself.
I like that she's pragmatic enough to bend the rules when necessary, and have zero idea how that precludes anyone from being "genuinely good".
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 30, 2017 19:16:25 GMT
I always preferred Adept to Vanguard as I tend to favour crowd control over charging into the fray, but that doesn't seem to be how you play this game... I'll reserve judgement until I've actually had a go myself. I like that she's pragmatic enough to bend the rules when necessary, and have zero idea how that precludes anyone from being "genuinely good". I don't think the game necessarily prevents you from playing a more crowd control style. It depends on the build of your character. Cora is clearly a close range fighter, but I think other characters will be focused on different playstyle, someone on crowd control, others on long range/sniper. It'll make picking the characters interesting if they really act differently from each other in combat.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Jan 30, 2017 19:33:38 GMT
I always preferred Adept to Vanguard as I tend to favour crowd control over charging into the fray, but that doesn't seem to be how you play this game... I'll reserve judgement until I've actually had a go myself. I like that she's pragmatic enough to bend the rules when necessary, and have zero idea how that precludes anyone from being "genuinely good". I don't think the game necessarily prevents you from playing a more crowd control style. It depends on the build of your character. Cora is clearly a close range fighter, but I think other characters will be focused on different playstyle, someone on crowd control, others on long range/sniper. It'll make picking the characters interesting if they really act differently from each other in combat. All the gameplay they've shown so far, plus what's been said in various articles, suggests a far more frenetic style of play than previous games, and I'm not sure how that will gel with a more crowd-control-based playstyle. As I said, I'll reserve judgement until I've actually played the game...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 19:42:26 GMT
New info on Cora: Lieutenant Cora Harper "When your biotics are honed into huntress-grade weapons… people can be weird about it." Cora joined the Systems Alliance to train her powerful biotic talents, eventually transferring to an asari commando unit before joining the Andromeda Initiative as Alec Ryder's second-in-command. Professional and loyal, Cora knows the rules well enough to bend them if necessary, lending huntress tactics and her biotic strength to the Pathfinder's mission. Name: Lieutenant Cora Harper Race: Human Origin: Spaceborn Height: 172cm Weight: 61kg Known Affiliations: Systems Alliance, Talein's Daughters, Andromeda Initiative Nicknames: None Combat Roles/Strengths: Biotic Commando, Operations Specialist Favorite Weapon: Shotgun Favorite Biotic/Tech/Other Ability: Biotic Charge Famous Quote: "When your biotics are honed into huntress-grade weapons… people can be weird about it." I can imagine how her flirts with Scott will be: But seriously romance or no, I always wanted to know how fun it would be to have a squadmate with biotic charge. Definitely going to be taking her along when I go shoot things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 19:43:45 GMT
New info on Cora: Lieutenant Cora Harper "When your biotics are honed into huntress-grade weapons… people can be weird about it." Cora joined the Systems Alliance to train her powerful biotic talents, eventually transferring to an asari commando unit before joining the Andromeda Initiative as Alec Ryder's second-in-command. Professional and loyal, Cora knows the rules well enough to bend them if necessary, lending huntress tactics and her biotic strength to the Pathfinder's mission. Name: Lieutenant Cora Harper Race: Human Origin: Spaceborn Height: 172cm Weight: 61kg Known Affiliations: Systems Alliance, Talein's Daughters, Andromeda Initiative Nicknames: None Combat Roles/Strengths: Biotic Commando, Operations Specialist Favorite Weapon: Shotgun Favorite Biotic/Tech/Other Ability: Biotic Charge Famous Quote: "When your biotics are honed into huntress-grade weapons… people can be weird about it." I can imagine how her flirts with Scott will be: She was calling the shots in the trailer that's for sure!
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Jan 30, 2017 19:44:34 GMT
I don't think the game necessarily prevents you from playing a more crowd control style. It depends on the build of your character. Cora is clearly a close range fighter, but I think other characters will be focused on different playstyle, someone on crowd control, others on long range/sniper. It'll make picking the characters interesting if they really act differently from each other in combat. All the gameplay they've shown so far, plus what's been said in various articles, suggests a far more frenetic style of play than previous games, and I'm not sure how that will gel with a more crowd-control-based playstyle. As I said, I'll reserve judgement until I've actually played the game... I worry about that as well, as someone who usually favors the Infiltrator class. Haven't seen much potential for interesting sneaking or sniping gameplay. I like sentinel a lot too so I may have to go that way. I usually like my Shepard (now Ryder) to have a bit of technical know-how.
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Post by Rynnju on Jan 30, 2017 19:56:41 GMT
"Bending the rules" might be something we as the Pathfinder may have to do anyway in order to be successful. If that trailer line is anything to go by.
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Post by DayusMakhina on Jan 30, 2017 20:04:57 GMT
All the gameplay they've shown so far, plus what's been said in various articles, suggests a far more frenetic style of play than previous games, and I'm not sure how that will gel with a more crowd-control-based playstyle. As I said, I'll reserve judgement until I've actually played the game... I worry about that as well, as someone who usually favors the Infiltrator class. Haven't seen much potential for interesting sneaking or sniping gameplay. I like sentinel a lot too so I may have to go that way. I usually like my Shepard (now Ryder) to have a bit of technical know-how. Slightly off-topic but the fact that they've stated encounters won't be quite so linear should give you ample opportunity to snipe, especially in open world scenarios where you're initially travelling in the Nomad (which we've seen there are such encounters via the gameplay trailer). As for Cora...didn't see her being a Vanguard coming, was figuring Adept based off of the leaked questionnaire from a long time ago but am certainly intrigued as to how the AI using Biotic Charge will play out. If it works well then she'll be a permanent squad mate, 2 vanguards at once should be good fun to watch!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 20:15:42 GMT
I worry about that as well, as someone who usually favors the Infiltrator class. Haven't seen much potential for interesting sneaking or sniping gameplay. I like sentinel a lot too so I may have to go that way. I usually like my Shepard (now Ryder) to have a bit of technical know-how. Slightly off-topic but the fact that they've stated encounters won't be quite so linear should give you ample opportunity to snipe, especially in open world scenarios where you're initially travelling in the Nomad (which we've seen there are such encounters via the gameplay trailer).
As for Cora...didn't see her being a Vanguard coming, was figuring Adept based off of the leaked questionnaire from a long time ago but am certainly intrigued as to how the AI using Biotic Charge will play out. If it works well then she'll be a permanent squad mate, 2 vanguards at once should be good fun to watch! I just hope that we can choose to go on foot and travel the distance. Not that I would have even tried in ME1 (ugly and annoying terrain) but it would be nice if they didn't force us to travel in the nomad by giving us that hazard meter. Maybe compensate by making us have to find upgrades towards surviving certain hazards or something. Oh yeah something related to Cora hmm, do you think she will be our second in command aboard the tempest like she was Alec's?
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Post by Crim on Jan 30, 2017 20:17:16 GMT
New info on Cora: Lieutenant Cora Harper "When your biotics are honed into huntress-grade weapons… people can be weird about it." Cora joined the Systems Alliance to train her powerful biotic talents, eventually transferring to an asari commando unit before joining the Andromeda Initiative as Alec Ryder's second-in-command. Professional and loyal, Cora knows the rules well enough to bend them if necessary, lending huntress tactics and her biotic strength to the Pathfinder's mission. Name: Lieutenant Cora Harper Race: Human Origin: Spaceborn Height: 172cm Weight: 61kg Known Affiliations: Systems Alliance, Talein's Daughters, Andromeda Initiative Nicknames: None Combat Roles/Strengths: Biotic Commando, Operations Specialist Favorite Weapon: Shotgun Favorite Biotic/Tech/Other Ability: Biotic Charge Famous Quote: "When your biotics are honed into huntress-grade weapons… people can be weird about it." Ooh, I like this info, I think we'll get along juuuuuuuuuust fine. Just have to fit my Ryder around her combat wise now, can't see myself letting her warm the bench much.
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Post by Vall on Jan 30, 2017 20:23:11 GMT
Cora has Biotic Charge, Liam has Havoc Strike...combine that with Vanguard Ryder and it's going to be terrifying
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Post by KeiraH on Jan 30, 2017 20:28:33 GMT
New info on Cora: Height: 172cmShe doesn't look like it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 20:29:18 GMT
New info on Cora: Height: 172cmShe doesn't look like it I'm not sure what that height is. I go by feet.
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Post by Ocelot on Jan 30, 2017 20:29:59 GMT
Cora sounds perfect to me.
Willing to bend the rules every now and then fits with most of my characters.
Also dat Triss Merigold voice.
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Post by DayusMakhina on Jan 30, 2017 20:30:28 GMT
She doesn't look like it I'm not sure what that height is. I go by feet. Just over 5'7" I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 20:32:21 GMT
I'm not sure what that height is. I go by feet. Just over 5'7" I believe. And Liam is 6 someone said, and we saw them beside each other. Does that add up?
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