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Post by wright1978 on Feb 2, 2017 9:41:27 GMT
Monogendered, though. I mean... Is it technically... you know. It'd be a dumb move if they use the asari monogender thing to justify the attraction to asari and not human women. If she's straight/available to Scott only/not interested in Sara or human women, there's no reason to add asari girlfriends that'd piss people off for no gain. Her backstory doesn't become more interesting if she banged asari in the past. I do think there's more opportunity for drama if there's a intimate connection to a member of Talein's daughters if they are present in Andromeda.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 2, 2017 10:02:54 GMT
It'd be a dumb move if they use the asari monogender thing to justify the attraction to asari and not human women. If she's straight/available to Scott only/not interested in Sara or human women, there's no reason to add asari girlfriends that'd piss people off for no gain. Her backstory doesn't become more interesting if she banged asari in the past. I do think there's more opportunity for drama if there's a intimate connection to a member of Talein's daughters if they are present in Andromeda. Intimate connection can be done without former romantic relationships. I'm not against that though, I just think that if it happens there shouldn't be any reason for her to not be bisexual and available for Sara. It won't affect me directly since I plan to romance her with Scott, but it'd be something I'll criticize if it happens (only in regards of the asari lover. If she's straight without any former asari or female humans lovers, it's fine).
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 2, 2017 10:25:45 GMT
I do think there's more opportunity for drama if there's a intimate connection to a member of Talein's daughters if they are present in Andromeda. Intimate connection can be done without former romantic relationships. I'm not against that though, I just think that if it happens there shouldn't be any reason for her to not be bisexual and available for Sara. It won't affect me directly since I plan to romance her with Scott, but it'd be something I'll criticize if it happens (only in regards of the asari lover. If she's straight without any former asari or female humans lovers, it's fine). I have no issue with her being BI even though i plan to romance her with Scott. Given how much in universe they've pushed the Asari special allure i'm less against the notion of an Asari lover in isolation. That's even ignoring fact such a relationship could be experimentation that Cora broke off deciding it wasn't for her. Isn't that the whole point behind introducing the stupid gating process, so they could tell personal stories involving sexuality.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 2, 2017 10:44:27 GMT
Intimate connection can be done without former romantic relationships. I'm not against that though, I just think that if it happens there shouldn't be any reason for her to not be bisexual and available for Sara. It won't affect me directly since I plan to romance her with Scott, but it'd be something I'll criticize if it happens (only in regards of the asari lover. If she's straight without any former asari or female humans lovers, it's fine). I have no issue with her being BI even though i plan to romance her with Scott. Given how much in universe they've pushed the Asari special allure i'm less against the notion of an Asari lover in isolation. That's even ignoring fact such a relationship could be experimentation that Cora broke off deciding it wasn't for her. Isn't that the whole point behind introducing the stupid gating process, so they could tell personal stories involving sexuality. Depends. I guess they could wrote it as she was bi-curious and trying with an asari, with a negative outcome. It is different then having a former lover as a stable/semi stable relationship that makes her definitely bi, which is what I'm arguing about. I don't see the point of doing the former though. I don't think she becomes more interesting if she was bi-curious once, at least in my opinion. I disagree completely on the special allure of the asari, at least in regards of a (straight or gay, meaning a man) LI with a full former lover, because, as I said, I think it's a move with no gain and leads only to people being disappointed or pissed. I am interested in her connection with the group, since the bio specify she has an affiliation/bond with it, but is she's straight, I prefer it to not be about a romantic interest. The gating process is been present in every game except DA2, which reason to have all bisexual romances was more related to the Low resources they had to give everyone at least two option then a real desire of making everyone bi. While they might use it to make more personal stories, including also focus on sexuality, I don't think this is the right way. No matter how you look it, it'd feel like a bait, expecially because (although I don't agree on Cora's look being necessarily lesbian) do know there were fans that want a s/s option with a woman that is strong, indipendant, like Ashley, Morrigan, Miranda, Jack and Cassandra. Also, regardless if straight or bi, I do want a female human that has a connection or bond with the asari that doesn't lead to a romantic interest. I'd find it more interesting at this point then the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 11:06:23 GMT
Monogendered, though. I mean... Is it technically... you know. The prefix mono means one or single. For example a monorail is a train that runs on a single rail, and a monocle is a corrective lens for one eye. Monogendered = single gender The Asari are as female as human women.
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Post by Serza on Feb 2, 2017 11:09:27 GMT
Monogendered, though. I mean... Is it technically... you know. The prefix mono means one or single. For example a monorail is a train that runs on a single rail, and a monocle is a corrective lens for one eye. Monogendered = single gender The Asari are as female as human women. I suppose that's also likely.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 2, 2017 14:59:35 GMT
"mass effect andromeda prediction: cora has a line that insinuates she may have been sexually involved with an asari commando during her time training with them. this line is only available during a flirt dialogue with a male ryder. she is inexplicably straight" source.Just read this and I will blow a gasket if that happens again. Wasn't aware one had to explain such things... It'd be a dumb move if they use the asari monogender thing to justify the attraction to asari and not human women. If she's straight/available to Scott only/not interested in Sara or human women, there's no reason to add asari girlfriends that'd piss people off for no gain. Her backstory doesn't become more interesting if she banged asari in the past. As above, does this really need justification? Somehow I suspect that if things were reversed and this line of questioning was pursued... we'll let's just say we'd have a lot more to clean up.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 2, 2017 15:39:06 GMT
"mass effect andromeda prediction: cora has a line that insinuates she may have been sexually involved with an asari commando during her time training with them. this line is only available during a flirt dialogue with a male ryder. she is inexplicably straight" source.Just read this and I will blow a gasket if that happens again. Wasn't aware one had to explain such things... It'd be a dumb move if they use the asari monogender thing to justify the attraction to asari and not human women. If she's straight/available to Scott only/not interested in Sara or human women, there's no reason to add asari girlfriends that'd piss people off for no gain. Her backstory doesn't become more interesting if she banged asari in the past. As above, does this really need justification? Somehow I suspect that if things were reversed and this line of questioning was pursued... we'll let's just say we'd have a lot more to clean up. My stance would be the same, but yeah, it might be better to drop it.
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Post by xan84 on Feb 2, 2017 16:59:10 GMT
I am so glad BW decided to give us a decent love interest after Dragon Age I where the girls where all... Em.. Manly to say the least. I don't think we are every going to get a Miranda again from "new" BW but this girl looks fine to me. Perhaps, sometime in the future they are going to allow us to customize our entire team just like we can do with our sister/brother in this game. That would also be interesting.
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Post by Serza on Feb 2, 2017 17:40:14 GMT
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 2, 2017 18:25:48 GMT
really think Cora is going to severely dislike peebee.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 2, 2017 18:42:50 GMT
really think Cora is going to severely dislike peebee. I honestly don't see why she's dislike her so much, maybe a bit annoyed (the rolling eyes mentioned by the VA fits perfectly), but her character is similar to Liam on terms of being impulsive/rash. I think we need to know more about both. Beside, if Vetra will be a more traditional stick to the rules turian, I can see her having the most heated relationship with Peebee. Her bio confirmed squadmates have at least 4 active abilities, probably 5/6 (since Peebee has so far 3 biotic and one tech).
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 2, 2017 18:50:56 GMT
really think Cora is going to severely dislike peebee. I honestly don't see why she's dislike her so much, maybe a bit annoyed (the rolling eyes mentioned by the VA fits perfectly), but her character is similar to Liam on terms of being impulsive/rash. I think we need to know more about both. Beside, if Vetra will be a more traditional stick to the rules turian, I can see her having the most heated relationship with Peebee. Her bio confirmed squadmates have at least 4 active abilities, probably 5/6 (since Peebee has so far 3 biotic and one tech). cora seems disciplined & with reverence/respect/affiliation with traditional culture. So yeah think there will be some fireworks with undisciplined, unasari Asari.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 2, 2017 18:55:06 GMT
I honestly don't see why she's dislike her so much, maybe a bit annoyed (the rolling eyes mentioned by the VA fits perfectly), but her character is similar to Liam on terms of being impulsive/rash. I think we need to know more about both. Beside, if Vetra will be a more traditional stick to the rules turian, I can see her having the most heated relationship with Peebee. Her bio confirmed squadmates have at least 4 active abilities, probably 5/6 (since Peebee has so far 3 biotic and one tech). cora seems disciplined & with reverence/respect/affiliation with traditional culture. So yeah think there will be some fireworks with undisciplined, unasari Asari. They said nothing of respect with traditional culture, asari or otherwise. She's just affiliated with the group she served. While they might've debates on asari culture, fireworks and problems are huge assumptions for now. Expecially because we have no clue on how Cora will react to Peebee's opinion. She can be a calm person that respects others opinion and doesn't get angry, for all we know/
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 2, 2017 19:36:35 GMT
I understand your concern, but I doubt it'll happen again. Althought, Jack's line was stated with femshep as well, right? It was about having fun in bed with a couple? or something along those lines. Jack mentions having a threeway with a couple she was traveling with, but she definitely implied it was more from a sense of obligation than an expression of her sexuality. Plus she never goes into details of her involvement with the other woman. They may have never actually engaged with each other.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 2, 2017 19:47:32 GMT
They changed Peebee's signature into Invasion on the site, so my point on active abilities is back to square one.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 2, 2017 19:56:36 GMT
It was about having fun in bed with a couple? or something along those lines. Jack mentions having a threeway with a couple she was traveling with, but she definitely implied it was more from a sense of obligation than an expression of her sexuality. Plus she never goes into details of her involvement with the other woman. They may have never actually engaged with each other. I really do not see it that way mostly because If a lesbian character said she had a threesome with a couple, it would be hell on earth. I mean irl sexuality and gender is one thing but in media... with so little representation those types of dialogues are just bad.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 2, 2017 20:11:26 GMT
Jack mentions having a threeway with a couple she was traveling with, but she definitely implied it was more from a sense of obligation than an expression of her sexuality. Plus she never goes into details of her involvement with the other woman. They may have never actually engaged with each other. I really do not see it that way mostly because If a lesbian character said she had a threesome with a couple, it would be hell on earth. I mean irl sexuality and gender is one thing but in media... with so little representation those types of dialogues are just bad. I'm not sure what you mean, but I guess you can take it any way you like. All I know is that the line, as it was delivered, had no expression of joy or fondness for that memory. Putting the clues of the context into place it's pretty obvious why she did it. She was very much dependent on those people at that time in her life. Refusing them might have threatened that situation, they didn't seem like particularly "good" people. It may have seemed harmless at the time to Jack, and she came to regret it much later. It's not like I'm really invested in saying Jack couldn't have been, or shouldn't have been, an option for females. I'm just saying people like to point to this part of Jack's history as evidence that she should have been and... it just doesn't make sense. Not if you pay attention to what she actually said and how she said it.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 2, 2017 20:17:40 GMT
I really do not see it that way mostly because If a lesbian character said she had a threesome with a couple, it would be hell on earth. I mean irl sexuality and gender is one thing but in media... with so little representation those types of dialogues are just bad. I'm not sure what you mean, but I guess you can take it any way you like. All I know is that the line, as it was delivered, had no expression of joy or fondness for that memory. Putting the clues of the context into place it's pretty obvious why she did it. She was very much dependent on those people at that time in her life. Refusing them might have threatened that situation, they didn't seem like particularly "good" people. It may have seemed harmless at the time to Jack, and she came to regret it much later. It's not like I'm really invested in saying Jack couldn't have been, or shouldn't have been, an option for females. I'm just saying people like to point to this part of Jack's history as evidence that she should have been and... it just doesn't make sense. Not if you pay attention to what she actually said and how she said it. What I mean is that implies rape to some extend, she had to give sexual favor for protection. Well now that I think about it Jack character is a big fuck up thing really.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 2, 2017 20:34:05 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean, but I guess you can take it any way you like. All I know is that the line, as it was delivered, had no expression of joy or fondness for that memory. Putting the clues of the context into place it's pretty obvious why she did it. She was very much dependent on those people at that time in her life. Refusing them might have threatened that situation, they didn't seem like particularly "good" people. It may have seemed harmless at the time to Jack, and she came to regret it much later. It's not like I'm really invested in saying Jack couldn't have been, or shouldn't have been, an option for females. I'm just saying people like to point to this part of Jack's history as evidence that she should have been and... it just doesn't make sense. Not if you pay attention to what she actually said and how she said it. What I mean is that implies rape to some extend, she had to give sexual favor for protection. Well now that I think about it Jack character is a big fuck up thing really. Oh, yea, for sure. It was fucked up. Comes standard with her entire backstory though. Taken from her parents under false pretenses. Tortured, isolated, and experimented throughout her entire childhood. She finally gets out with no knowledge of what a healthy relationship looks like, let alone how to conduct one, some people come along offering a modicum of safety and comfort... I mean, who is strong enough to come from all that and say no? I wouldn't be.
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 2, 2017 22:22:42 GMT
I am so glad BW decided to give us a decent love interest after Dragon Age I where the girls where all... Em.. Manly to say the least. I don't think we are every going to get a Miranda again from "new" BW but this girl looks fine to me. Perhaps, sometime in the future they are going to allow us to customize our entire team just like we can do with our sister/brother in this game. That would also be interesting. I can see why some people thought Cass was manly (not that I personally agree) but surely Josie was about as feminine as it gets?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 2, 2017 22:34:52 GMT
I am so glad BW decided to give us a decent love interest after Dragon Age I where the girls where all... Em.. Manly to say the least. I don't think we are every going to get a Miranda again from "new" BW but this girl looks fine to me. Perhaps, sometime in the future they are going to allow us to customize our entire team just like we can do with our sister/brother in this game. That would also be interesting. I can see why some people thought Cass was manly (not that I personally agree) but surely Josie was about as feminine as it gets? Yeah, but Josephine doesn't wear suggestive outfits or have a sex scene so her romance was absolutely terrible.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 2, 2017 22:41:14 GMT
Josie wasn't manly, but certainly plain chaste dull Disney princess was an odd choice as an alternative to an equally marmite cass.
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