Which is really the worst map in pugs?

When I'm playing with pugs, I think I get most frustrated on Jade and Glacier, just because it's too easy to have huge spawns dumped right on top of me if I stray even a little from the group. Other than that I don't really dislike any of the maps.

Condor. The map is a bugged mess. If you even get so much as a few ms of lag you're done. It's also a map that's sure to kill pugs dead. Carry on condor all comes down to will the map bug out in some way. The design is just meh imo.

If talking about maps I just hate to see, it is definitely Giant. I swear if I pug into another GIP on that fuckin map, well, I just don't know what I will do.
If talking about maps that get Pugs slaughtered (and I include my scrubby ass), Condor, Rio, or London just become bloodbaths.
Edit: Rio also sucks because Pugs want to camp the boxes and turn golds into 30 minute marathons. Hate that shit. Couple weeks ago, some team captain clown "warned" a very competent player and myself that he would not come revive us if we kept going to the middle or other side of the map. Ooooook, brah. Dipshit, and reason #2,564 why I don't mic pugs.

Condor and Rio. I don't mind capable players who survive being a lone wolf but there is a 1/100 chance to meet them in PUG. Mostly randoms on Rio go to the middle of the map to die in a kill box. Condor with it's bugs generally sucks especially against Geths.

Condor and Rio are rough maps in general, let alone with PUGS.

And yes, Giant and giant hazard - wtf pugs, tedium galore zzzzzz...........

I think Vancouver/Collectors deserves a mention because of the top room many people seem to like holding. It's a trap! It goes something like

• Possessed scions spam cluster bombs and create a revive party scenario.
  
• Space crabs block the escape and stunlock/sync kill anyone who gets revived/gels.
  
• If anyone uses a missile they also kill any possessed abominations and cause the party to go down again. (I can never be mad at abominations though )
  
• The scions probably weren't in missile range and continue their cluster bomb spam.
  

Otherwise I think I've had the worst luck with Goddess. Spread out teams make for horrendous backspawns, especially vs geth. It also gets my vote for the nastiest overall cerberus turret placements. 

Condor. No ammo or grenades...map is too wide open, specially if there are scions or primes sniping you across the map from the hilltop. Tied for second place is Ghost Hazard & Glacier Hazard, when playing with newbees that dont understand how the hazards work. Most annoying/ugly map to look at is Dagger Hazard which also comes with the bonus of no grenades or ammo.


I will take Rio any night of the week as long as they aren't box camping....but even if they/when they do..I stand on the opposite side of that corner and kill everything before it even reaches the box...Rio is the most grenade friendly map in the game.
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Is it 2013? I haven't seen a LZ-camping Giant game in sooooooooooo long. And obviously maps like Condor and Rio are way worse.

No grenades can also be a good thing if you ask some.



Slower ammo regeneration comes with the bonus perk of spreading players more instead of having everyone camping around one ammo box like on Giant.

Playing Harrier on Platinum Condor isn't an issue either. I've done it plenty of times.

But this is a kind of backward argument, how come it's the map's fault that some pugs play ugly on it? Those pugs would play ugly anywhere, you would just rez them even more.
I dislike Condor, because I can't see shit (cluttered grey backround+greyish lighting+my eye) and most cover has holes in it or just bugged, Dagger Hazard is annoying for the ammo starving. That's it I think.
Pugs will be pugs, if I want good teamplay I go for my FL.
You can have some good matches on Giant.

Like I've said in my last post. On Giant map, players naturally gravitate toward LZ area even if they don't know what camping even is, because it's such an advantage toward the players. And why it's more of a map design oversight.

And playing with just friends all the time is like playing from the womb.

Fair enough, but you judge the map based on how it plays with a bad team.
I invite you to judge the map based on how it plays with a good one.
Don't be the sad man...(because)