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Post by MissOuJ on Dec 4, 2016 7:43:32 GMT
Maybe AI mission is fucked when they find out the Helius cluster is a disappointment with hostile aliens and scarce resources. Jien Garson loses her mind and splits off with a number of folks trying to hoard all the good shit and starts culling the rest. Alec Ryder probably wasn't down with that and maybe that's why he goes missing. This is my guess as well: the gameplay trailers have made it clear Andromeda has few resources, and if the Initiative would have to do stuff like compete the Nexus (which is like 45%-50% finished when it leaves the MW) and if there are few habitable planets around when they first arrive to Andromeda - yeah. Shit, meet fan. Doesn't make it any less idiotic from evolutionary point of view, but then again, I guess getting rid of the people who thought that starting up shit in stead of working together in a hostile environment with few resources will eventually improve the gene pool...
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Post by degrees on Dec 4, 2016 10:52:09 GMT
Because 'every other species' had never caused massive bloody wars? Because it's much easier to take down a quarian or salarian? Vorcha, krogans and (may be) batarians are the last species for my 'building the new bright future & creating our new home' list. Well since a Female Krogan is one of the lead engineers of the Nexus I'm pretty sure she is the reason why there are Krogans aboard. Good move by Bioware though I love the Krogan there needed to be a real reason for the Krogans to tag along.
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Post by NRieh on Dec 4, 2016 12:37:58 GMT
Are you serious? Female krogan lead engineer? Really?...And here I thought that 'Normandy beam evacnaooooo' tops my 'lore that had been fucked up' list...
No. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that all krogans are dumb brutes. We've seen our share of smart&creative ones during the trilogy. But having female krogan as a lead engineer for a cutting-edge tech project in the given timeline seems to me as plausible as having krogans taking seat in the Council.
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Post by MissOuJ on Dec 4, 2016 16:10:00 GMT
Are you serious? Female krogan lead engineer? Really?...And here I thought that 'Normandy beam evacnaooooo' tops my 'lore that had been fucked up' list... No. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that all krogans are dumb brutes. We've seen our share of smart&creative ones during the trilogy. But having female krogan as a lead engineer for a cutting-edge tech project in the given timeline seems to me as plausible as having krogans taking seat in the Council. ... why? IMO, a female Krogan engineer makes perfect sense: since they live in separate camps with children, in Tuchanka a clan without engineer would be a dead clan very soon (at least knowledge of redundancies would come in handy in the Nexus, methinks) - not to mention that if she's going to be "on-call" for the entire duration of the journey, 600 years is plenty of time to learn everything there's to know about the ship. Also, since our knowledge on female Krogan clans is very limited, I don't understand how this could be particularly lore-breaking. And finally: I fail to see how she wouldn't be knowledgeable enough to take on the job - Tuchanka is a demilitarized zone, but they do have access to tech and knowledge, as you can find out if you talk to the Krogan scientist on Tuchanka in ME2.
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Post by NRieh on Dec 4, 2016 18:17:36 GMT
Are you seriously saying that a person who can (possibly) maintain air filters and outdated vehicles on Touchanka is somehow qualified for being a lead engineer on a super-fucking-high-tech project?..
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Post by MissOuJ on Dec 4, 2016 19:42:58 GMT
Are you seriously saying that a person who can (possibly) maintain air filters and outdated vehicles on Touchanka is somehow qualified for being a lead engineer on a super-fucking-high-tech project?.. Yes. Because we know for a fact that's all a female engineer in Tuchanka would do. /s I'm saying that, for all the lore tells us, the female Krogan clans could be constructing a fucking high-tech cloning and genetics laboratory from scrap-metal in Tuchanka, because almost all the lore on female clans is based on the discussions we've had with ONE female Krogan, who was a shaman - and who, BTW, was talking about the importance of peaceful cooperation. The thing is, we know fuck all about the female Krogan clans, but we DO know they live on a planet where engineering and ingenuity is absolutely vital. Also, off-world Krogan have been known to work in technical fields (like Charr, your friendly transport technician). If anything, I find it more in keeping with the lore than that some fucking human became the lead engineer of Nexus, since the species in general has been capable of FTL-travel for less than 50 years.So no, I don't think its impossible, or lore-breaking, or whatever. What it is is interesting: I already want to know how she became involved and what made her want to make the journey, where did she get her expertise etc.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 4, 2016 20:40:43 GMT
The funny thing is that we went to Andromeda because it was a resource rich region, but there people are fighting for whatever little resources they can find...
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Post by crossngen on Dec 4, 2016 21:58:59 GMT
The funny thing is that we went to Andromeda because it was a resource rich region, but there people are fighting for whatever little resources they can find... We already know that something happened to the golden planets during the 600 years of journey, this is such of an uninformed assumption to make.
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Post by Nayawk on Dec 4, 2016 22:16:24 GMT
I'm sure we will find out how what where when the game is released, but I will say it is entirely human nature for something like this to happen.
You see it in real life all the time. While lots of people have dislike or unease about the 'new' or 'foreign' who they actually hate with the passion of a burning sun is their neighbour who mows their lawn at 6am.
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Post by malanek on Dec 4, 2016 22:18:17 GMT
It does make me question how long the Arks have been in Andromeda before all this revolution started. I can definitely understand the arguments for this sort of thing to happen, but I was picturing at least ten years before it became practical to have such significant schisms. The rebel base we saw in the gameplay trailer especially made me scratch my head, how long would that take to set up? I don't think the timeframes are going to be realistic.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 4, 2016 23:22:30 GMT
The funny thing is that we went to Andromeda because it was a resource rich region, but there people are fighting for whatever little resources they can find... We already know that something happened to the golden planets during the 600 years of journey, this is such of an uninformed assumption to make. We do?
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 4, 2016 23:27:28 GMT
It does make me question how long the Arks have been in Andromeda before all this revolution started. I can definitely understand the arguments for this sort of thing to happen, but I was picturing at least ten years before it became practical to have such significant schisms. The rebel base we saw in the gameplay trailer especially made me scratch my head, how long would that take to set up? I don't think the timeframes are going to be realistic. Looking for logic in how Andromeda is set up is a lost cause from the very concept, but this particular issue you mentioned is not that problematic. We know the Nexus was send before the Arks (it makes sense from universe building perspective) so all you had to do is say it travalled a bit faster than the Arks, so it arrived some years before.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 23:30:29 GMT
We already know that something happened to the golden planets during the 600 years of journey, this is such of an uninformed assumption to make. We do? Well... If we look at this logically, the readings about Andromeda were based on 2,5 mln years old information. If they were scanning the target area of Andromeda, then they were making a bold assumption, that the area will remain more of less the same until they arrive. But cmon, 2,5 mln years - that would statistically allow the rise of ~50 Milky Way civilizations based of the 50,000 years cycle duration. In that time, those resources could have been destroyed or - more likely - depleted by any of theAndromedian civilizations. So they fly to Andromeda expecting a "golden vault", but arrive when the "pond is already dry". Obviously that must have caused a stir among AI expedition crew and tensions must have arisen, because: - AI initiators screwed up with the estimates. - They need space to colonize, as they cannot indefinetly reside solely on Nexus and Arks, but the amount of colonizable areas is lower than estimated/is already occupied by Andromeda natives.. - Different sides had different ideas what to do with resocures they still did manage to initially acquire
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 4, 2016 23:38:13 GMT
The funny thing is that we went to Andromeda because it was a resource rich region, but there people are fighting for whatever little resources they can find... I think it's fair to say that in-game the Initiative made some miscalculation. Which might be one of the reason behind the outlaws faction. On the topic of the planet, there were mentions Habitat 7 is different from what they expected. The last trailer might have made some hint about it as well.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 4, 2016 23:40:05 GMT
What I wonder about most is how you can have outcasts and raiders before there is enough civilization around to actually raid. Someone has to produce the stuff they are stealing first, after all! A gang of criminals on an uncolonized world won't have anyone to rob.
The Pathfinder and his team seem to be very, very late to the party.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 4, 2016 23:42:13 GMT
What I wonder about most is how you can have outcasts and raiders before there is enough civilization around to actually raid. Someone has to produce the stuff they are stealing first, after all! A gang of criminals on an uncolonized world won't have anyone to rob. The Pathfinder and his team seem to be very, very late to the party. Hyperion is likely months to years late. Though I don't know if the various hubs we'll visit will be made by the MW species or some native species.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 23:54:20 GMT
What I wonder about most is how you can have outcasts and raiders before there is enough civilization around to actually raid. Someone has to produce the stuff they are stealing first, after all! A gang of criminals on an uncolonized world won't have anyone to rob. The Pathfinder and his team seem to be very, very late to the party. Hyperion is likely months to years late. Though I don't know if the various hubs we'll visit will be made by the MW species or some native species. I also think Hyperion is arriving late. That HUB location on Kadara planet for instance seems to have been standing for a while when we visit it. Also, that planet seems to have some established infrastructure instead of just tents/rudimentary life support buildings. We can see this when they show us the NOMAD ride.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 4, 2016 23:57:03 GMT
I'm sure we will find out how what where when the game is released, but I will say it is entirely human nature for something like this to happen. You see it in real life all the time. While lots of people have dislike or unease about the 'new' or 'foreign' who they actually hate with the passion of a burning sun is their neighbour who mows their lawn at 6am. If you and your neighbour end up in the middle of amazonian jungle surrounded by wild tribesmen he'll feel like the closest relative to you. Unificated forced by common threat is quite natural thing. If we try to give some credit on Bioware writing believable scenario - there shouldn't be any imminent danger on Nexus' arrival, so colonists would have enough time for squarrels with each other. Even with that in mind I'd still fire Nexus government for letting things go so far, that's a combination of weak political will and strong incompetence.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 4, 2016 23:57:55 GMT
What I wonder about most is how you can have outcasts and raiders before there is enough civilization around to actually raid. Someone has to produce the stuff they are stealing first, after all! A gang of criminals on an uncolonized world won't have anyone to rob. Final boss in the game will be a krogan in a leather jacket and will have a melee attack that's a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire
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Post by Sifr on Dec 5, 2016 0:06:10 GMT
No. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that all krogans are dumb brutes. We've seen our share of smart&creative ones during the trilogy. But having female krogan as a lead engineer for a cutting-edge tech project in the given timeline seems to me as plausible as having krogans taking seat in the Council. The Ancient Krogan had already mastered industrialisation and entered the nuclear age 4000 years ago, when conflicts over dwindling resources lead to a nuclear war that blew them right back into the Stone Age. They had to struggle to survive the radiation and the nuclear winter that persisted until the Salarians arrived two thousands years later and "uplifted" them, giving them access to advanced technology once more. (In fact, if they'd achieved spaceflight and avoided nuclear war, they could have reached the Citadel over 1400 years before the Asari.) During the Krogan rebellions, Krogan scientists on Rothla managed some kind of exotic weapon (no-one knows precisely what it was) that accidentally shattered the planet into a field of debris. Scientists studying the event by travelling to the edge of it's light-cone report a moment of extreme gravitational lensing around the planet before it was destroyed. In ME2, we discover that Warlord Okeer was able to use his advanced knowledge of cloning and genetic engineering to create a "perfect specimen" in Grunt, intending to create race of Krogan ubermensch who would thrive despite the genophage. Suffice to say, the Krogan have proven they can be extremely smart and resourceful, they only need be given a toolbox.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 0:14:59 GMT
No. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that all krogans are dumb brutes. We've seen our share of smart&creative ones during the trilogy. But having female krogan as a lead engineer for a cutting-edge tech project in the given timeline seems to me as plausible as having krogans taking seat in the Council. The Ancient Krogan had already mastered industrialisation and entered the nuclear age 4000 years ago, when conflicts over dwindling resources lead to a nuclear war that blew them right back into the Stone Age. They had to struggle to survive the radiation and the nuclear winter that persisted until the Salarians arrived two thousands years later and "uplifted" them, giving them access to advanced technology once more. (In fact, if they'd achieved spaceflight and avoided nuclear war, they could have reached the Citadel over 1400 years before the Asari.) During the Krogan rebellions, Krogan scientists on Rothla managed some kind of exotic weapon (no-one knows precisely what it was) that accidentally shattered the planet into a field of debris. Scientists studying the event by travelling to the edge of it's light-cone report a moment of extreme gravitational lensing around the planet before it was destroyed. In ME2, we discover that Warlord Okeer was able to use his advanced knowledge of cloning and genetic engineering to create a "perfect specimen" in Grunt, intending to create race of Krogan ubermensch who would thrive despite the genophage. Suffice to say, the Krogan have proven they can be extremely smart and resourceful, they only need be given a toolbox. True, I actually am fine with the female Krogan designer... especially because it was established in the lore that Krogan females are indeed more scientifically minded then most males. The only thing that irked me slightly was: The project was started quite some time before the genophage was cured (if it even was), so a highly intelligent female would have been a very valuable asset to whatever clan she belonged to, so, shooting such a person into deep space doesn't seam like a very smart move?... but who knows, maybe her whole clan joined the AI (very likely), or she was no longer fertile to begin with.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 5, 2016 0:25:02 GMT
No. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that all krogans are dumb brutes. We've seen our share of smart&creative ones during the trilogy. But having female krogan as a lead engineer for a cutting-edge tech project in the given timeline seems to me as plausible as having krogans taking seat in the Council. The Ancient Krogan had already mastered industrialisation and entered the nuclear age 4000 years ago, when conflicts over dwindling resources lead to a nuclear war that blew them right back into the Stone Age. They had to struggle to survive the radiation and the nuclear winter that persisted until the Salarians arrived two thousands years later and "uplifted" them, giving them access to advanced technology once more. (In fact, if they'd achieved spaceflight and avoided nuclear war, they could have reached the Citadel over 1400 years before the Asari.) During the Krogan rebellions, Krogan scientists on Rothla managed some kind of exotic weapon (no-one knows precisely what it was) that accidentally shattered the planet into a field of debris. Scientists studying the event by travelling to the edge of it's light-cone report a moment of extreme gravitational lensing around the planet before it was destroyed. In ME2, we discover that Warlord Okeer was able to use his advanced knowledge of cloning and genetic engineering to create a "perfect specimen" in Grunt, intending to create race of Krogan ubermensch who would thrive despite the genophage. Suffice to say, the Krogan have proven they can be extremely smart and resourceful, they only need be given a toolbox. We've seen a number of smart krogan over the course of the series. The thing is, most of them turn their intellect towards warfare or weapon designs (since that's pretty much the krogan way) Those that turn their brains towards less violent pursuits are generally looked down upon.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2016 0:28:26 GMT
The Ancient Krogan had already mastered industrialisation and entered the nuclear age 4000 years ago, when conflicts over dwindling resources lead to a nuclear war that blew them right back into the Stone Age. They had to struggle to survive the radiation and the nuclear winter that persisted until the Salarians arrived two thousands years later and "uplifted" them, giving them access to advanced technology once more. (In fact, if they'd achieved spaceflight and avoided nuclear war, they could have reached the Citadel over 1400 years before the Asari.) During the Krogan rebellions, Krogan scientists on Rothla managed some kind of exotic weapon (no-one knows precisely what it was) that accidentally shattered the planet into a field of debris. Scientists studying the event by travelling to the edge of it's light-cone report a moment of extreme gravitational lensing around the planet before it was destroyed. In ME2, we discover that Warlord Okeer was able to use his advanced knowledge of cloning and genetic engineering to create a "perfect specimen" in Grunt, intending to create race of Krogan ubermensch who would thrive despite the genophage. Suffice to say, the Krogan have proven they can be extremely smart and resourceful, they only need be given a toolbox. We've seen a number of smart krogan over the course of the series. The thing is, most of them turn their intellect towards warfare or weapon designs (since that's pretty much the krogan way) Those that turn their brains towards less violent pursuits are generally looked down upon. That goes mostly for the men, not the women though.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 5, 2016 0:30:23 GMT
That goes mostly for the men, not the women though. Well, atm we have a data point of one for krogan females
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2016 0:34:27 GMT
That goes mostly for the men, not the women though. Well, atm we have a data point of one for krogan females I was basing my post on what both Wrex and Bakara said in regards of the difference between male and female krogans. The latter seem less geared towards violent approaches (or at least compared to the males).
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