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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 7, 2018 2:05:57 GMT
plop in another one. They're good and all but how do you traslate that into the written words? That's the problem I'm facing and it terrifies the fuck out of me. Put yourself into the fight. You're the protag, what do you feel? What do you sense? How do you evaluate your opponents, the environment? What do you know of your enemy? How would they fight? What would you expect them to do? Just write a rough framework and refined it from there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 2:09:25 GMT
They're good and all but how do you traslate that into the written words? That's the problem I'm facing and it terrifies the fuck out of me. Put yourself into the fight. You're the protag, what do you feel? What do you sense? How do you evaluate your opponents, the environment? What do you know of your enemy? How would they fight? What would you expect them to do? Just write a rough framework and refined it from there. Thanks! I think that's the best advice I've had so far. Will definitely try that.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 7, 2018 3:23:53 GMT
They butcher the source material of anything they touch. You have been warned. I think you're overreacting just a wee bit, mate. I think you need to learn about people before commenting.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2018 3:57:49 GMT
Honestly as large as ASOIF is it would be impossible to not butcher it.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 7, 2018 3:59:59 GMT
Honestly as large as ASOIF is it would be impossible to not butcher it. Those two being in charge did little to help, but I agree with the sentiment but I think the damage could have been mitigated or minimized rather then just outright compounded by 600%.
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Post by river82 on Feb 7, 2018 7:08:16 GMT
We know nothing about these films and you're calling them "hacks" already? You're not even giving them a chance? They just waved the green flag on lap one... Considering what GOT devolved into under their "wise" direction. Everybody involved in the show was expecting to be able to rely on George's source material, and then found out late in the game that they couldn't because George can't get his arse into gear. Overall they've done an acceptable job at rushing out many scripts with no source material on shortish notice. The state of the TV show is mostly down to George taking 7 years and counting for writing his next book. Benioff is a damn good writer. If you're calling him a hack you're not familiar with his work:
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Post by river82 on Feb 7, 2018 7:10:26 GMT
"Forgive them"? It's just a tv show... I'll I know about Thrones is that it's dark and gritty. Star Wars doesn't need to be that dark and gritty. They butcher the source material of anything they touch. You have been warned. Oh, you're talking about that. Yeah, Hollywood tends to change books every time they adapt it to the big screen. Like Bourne Identity. But they're not adapting books this time around so it should be fine.
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Post by river82 on Feb 7, 2018 7:27:47 GMT
I don't mean to be overly harsh to Martin, whose original genius plotted out nearly the entirety of the show's earliest (and strongest) seasons. But after reading the two most recent books, I can't help but feel that the plot has gotten away from him. Some have suggested that the reason the sixth book, The Winds of Winter, is taking so long is that he can't figure out how to write himself out of the plot cul-de-sacs he's gotten himself into. Game of Thrones has solved this problem by simply writing over some of Martin's worst decisions and taking the story in a different direction.
In her most recent contribution to this symposium, Emily Crockett wrote that the show "felt more like extremely well-written Game of Thrones fanfiction than the series we're used to." I'd tweak that slightly: It felt like Martin's story has been taken over by another author, one who wants to cut the side quests and start moving toward the conclusion already. (For any fantasy nerds reading this, I'm thinking specifically of Brandon Sanderson taking over Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series — only Martin, unlike Jordan, isn't dead).
So three cheers for Game of Thrones surpassing A Song of Ice and Fire. At this point, the more the showrunners edit Martin's story, the better it seems to get.www.vox.com/2016/5/27/11787534/game-of-thrones-show-better-than-books-spoilersOf course not everyone believes the books are better than the TV show.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Feb 7, 2018 7:47:52 GMT
Keep GOT shiet out of Star Wars.
There is too many reasons I couldn't even stand its first few episodes and erased the whole Season 1.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2018 8:55:50 GMT
I don't mean to be overly harsh to Martin, whose original genius plotted out nearly the entirety of the show's earliest (and strongest) seasons. But after reading the two most recent books, I can't help but feel that the plot has gotten away from him. Some have suggested that the reason the sixth book, The Winds of Winter, is taking so long is that he can't figure out how to write himself out of the plot cul-de-sacs he's gotten himself into. Game of Thrones has solved this problem by simply writing over some of Martin's worst decisions and taking the story in a different direction.
In her most recent contribution to this symposium, Emily Crockett wrote that the show "felt more like extremely well-written Game of Thrones fanfiction than the series we're used to." I'd tweak that slightly: It felt like Martin's story has been taken over by another author, one who wants to cut the side quests and start moving toward the conclusion already. (For any fantasy nerds reading this, I'm thinking specifically of Brandon Sanderson taking over Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series — only Martin, unlike Jordan, isn't dead).
So three cheers for Game of Thrones surpassing A Song of Ice and Fire. At this point, the more the showrunners edit Martin's story, the better it seems to get.www.vox.com/2016/5/27/11787534/game-of-thrones-show-better-than-books-spoilersOf course not everyone believes the books are better than the TV show. I don't think one is better then the other really per se, but there are certain things each does well. On the face of it though I do agree with the commentary. Martin introduced way too many characters too late in the story for us to really care about. Quentyn Martell? Extremely annoying, arrogant, man child. Euron Greyjoy? Insane psychopath. Of course some of those things caused the show to have its own issues, like the aforementioned 'Dornish Master Plan' while was less elaborate in the show, it did have to rely on a lot of characters that the show hadn't even introduced.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 7, 2018 9:01:46 GMT
I think you're overreacting just a wee bit, mate. I think you need to learn about people before commenting. I don't know, it just seems if they "butcher every thing they touch" they would no longer be in the business. They must be doing something right. As I said, were way to early in the game.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2018 9:07:54 GMT
I think you need to learn about people before commenting. I don't know, it just seems if they "butcher every thing they touch" they would no longer be in the business. They must be doing something right. As I said, were way to early in the game. I actually flook forward to seeing what they can do with entirely original material. They both have rather brilliant creative minds (imo) who slightly 'failed' at the Herculean task of adapting the Song of Ice and Fire books to screen. They have obviously had their misteps and huh moments but, in spirit anyways, I think Game of Thrones is probably one of the best book to film adaptations out there. Though come to think of it I have seen few bad ones off the top of my head so there is that...
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Post by mybudgee on Feb 7, 2018 9:32:44 GMT
I am optimistic?
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 7, 2018 13:15:21 GMT
Put yourself into the fight. You're the protag, what do you feel? What do you sense? How do you evaluate your opponents, the environment? What do you know of your enemy? How would they fight? What would you expect them to do? Just write a rough framework and refined it from there. Thanks! I think that's the best advice I've had so far. Will definitely try that. My one piece of advice from my own attempts to write action sequences is not to get too hung up on relaying technical descriptions of the fighter’s movements. Sometimes it serves better to use more vague descriptions if it starts to become ponderous.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Feb 7, 2018 13:18:41 GMT
I am optimistic? Feminism dindu nuffin! :sure:
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 7, 2018 14:14:05 GMT
Something a bit random.... Anyone know of any good fanfic or such that has a good lightsabre duel? I can't write fight/actions scenes to save my life and I'm getting to the stage in my Star Wars fic where there is to be an epic duel and I want to do it justice. Help! Look up Ryan vs Dorkman. They put most official duels to shame. ...though I'm not sure if transcribing their actions to text will have the same effect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 15:44:21 GMT
plop in another one. (snip) Why stop there?
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Post by smilesja on Feb 7, 2018 15:58:03 GMT
I don't mean to be overly harsh to Martin, whose original genius plotted out nearly the entirety of the show's earliest (and strongest) seasons. But after reading the two most recent books, I can't help but feel that the plot has gotten away from him. Some have suggested that the reason the sixth book, The Winds of Winter, is taking so long is that he can't figure out how to write himself out of the plot cul-de-sacs he's gotten himself into. Game of Thrones has solved this problem by simply writing over some of Martin's worst decisions and taking the story in a different direction.
In her most recent contribution to this symposium, Emily Crockett wrote that the show "felt more like extremely well-written Game of Thrones fanfiction than the series we're used to." I'd tweak that slightly: It felt like Martin's story has been taken over by another author, one who wants to cut the side quests and start moving toward the conclusion already. (For any fantasy nerds reading this, I'm thinking specifically of Brandon Sanderson taking over Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series — only Martin, unlike Jordan, isn't dead).
So three cheers for Game of Thrones surpassing A Song of Ice and Fire. At this point, the more the showrunners edit Martin's story, the better it seems to get.www.vox.com/2016/5/27/11787534/game-of-thrones-show-better-than-books-spoilersOf course not everyone believes the books are better than the TV show. I don't think one is better then the other really per se, but there are certain things each does well. On the face of it though I do agree with the commentary. Martin introduced way too many characters too late in the story for us to really care about. Quentyn Martell? Extremely annoying, arrogant, man child. Euron Greyjoy? Insane psychopath. Of course some of those things caused the show to have its own issues, like the aforementioned 'Dornish Master Plan' while was less elaborate in the show, it did have to rely on a lot of characters that the show hadn't even introduced. So extinguish the entire family through one of the worst plot lines on the show.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 7, 2018 15:58:49 GMT
I think you need to learn about people before commenting. I don't know, it just seems if they "butcher every thing they touch" they would no longer be in the business. They must be doing something right. As I said, were way to early in the game. I think they are just riding high on their past success.
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Post by Vortex13 on Feb 7, 2018 16:19:36 GMT
I would like to see some new Star Wars films cover some of the more alien side of the setting; and no, I don't just mean more humans with [insert color here] face.
You'd think with all that Disney money they'd be able to give us an alien as a main character; heck at this point I'd settle for someone like Chewie being given more of the spotlight, or at the very least, more than a comedic, bit cameo/background prop status.
I would even settle for some distinctly 'other' aliens as the antagonists. As corny as the the Yuzong Vong invasion was; especially in how it ended; at least that storyline injected a nice 'Outside-Context Problem' into a setting seemingly stuck with repeating iterations of Empire vs. Rebels narratives.
It might be too much to hope for in any sort of mainstream science fiction/fantasy series but I would really like to see more of the otherworldly aliens, or fantastic future tech in settings like Star Wars and Star Trek, and less of what amounts to a bunch of humans standing around, talking about their feelings.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Feb 7, 2018 18:04:22 GMT
plop in another one. (snip) Why stop there? That game really shouldn't have been an mmo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 18:16:25 GMT
That game really shouldn't have been an mmo. Depending on who you ask SWTOR isn't a MMO it's a single player game with multi player elements. That's what I look at it as anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 18:38:42 GMT
Depending on who you ask SWTOR isn't a MMO it's a single player game with multi player elements. That's what I look at it as anyway. I played it for awhile, and the fact that it had relatively (for an MMO) strong SP elements was the only thing that held my interest for however long that was. That said, it was still most certainly an MMO at base. (at least before the newer expansions, can't comment on those, but I suspect that it never really stopped being an MMO) Oh it's a MMO and I'm not saying it isn't. If it weren't for the class stories I'd have never bothered with it. I just treat it as a oversize SP game and just 'forget' about the MMO parts as I don't give a brass monkeys about them.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Feb 7, 2018 18:39:23 GMT
That game really shouldn't have been an mmo. Depending on who you ask SWTOR isn't a MMO it's a single player game with multi player elements. That's what I look at it as anyway. I had fun as Darth Imperius, but once I got bored of the typical mmo 'kill 10 space pigs' quests, the story missions basically just involved running from point A to point B and then back to point A.
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