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Post by masterwarderz on May 10, 2018 1:54:08 GMT
I really do get a kick out of the "Well, it only should offend weak misogynists so, don't be one and it won't bother you." Logic of that defense, I must admit.
But people will believe whatever they want to believe, after all, Clinton was almost President...Despite all the reasons as for why that should not be a thing, being relatively common knowledge.
._. I personally think KK, and her ilk have no place in Star Wars, just as they have no place in film in general, or comics, or video games, and that's an old line in the sand I will never give up.
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If he wants fans to boycott, but doesn't care if you actually do it then the whole video is pointless and he just did for clickbait purposes. I tried watching the first (stopped watching at 13 minutes), but lost interest when he called KK a terrible person as if he knows her in real life. Yes, the mismanagement is bad, but the whole notion they don't care about fans is crap. Also, JJ and Rian are Star Wars fans. "Keep politics out of Star Wars." Does he not realize the whole OT was based on politics? The prequels for that matter? What's ironic is that Solo was a George Lucas' idea and he was on set for Solo. www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a849876/george-lucas-solo-a-star-wars-story-han-solo-movie-disney-lucasfilm/The pöint öf the videö is that if yöu want change tö happen at LucasFilm then tö stöp giving them möney. In yöur case yöu dönt care aböut change at LF sö the videös are nöt för yöu. And the ÖT was nöt based sölely ön pölitics. It had pölitical themes and söme that yöu cöuld argue are left leaning ör right leaning. But the difference is the new films have a pölitical agenda. The ÖT didnt push an agenda while the new films dö, thats the difference. And höw dö I knöw Kathleen is a bad persön? Because she calls me and anyöne whö has a problem with the mövie a racist and sexist. Let me ask yöu Andrew if I accused yöu öf being evil with zerö proöf wöuldnt that make me a bad persön? JJ has been ön recörd saying anyöne whö has a pröblem with The Last Jedi is just racist and sexist. Kathleen has been ön recörd saying they need tö hire less white peöple. And Rian has been ön recörd saying that Star Wars needs less white peöple in it. If Kathleen disagreed with them wöuldnt she fire them ör at least release a statement saying that LF döesnt agree with their beliefs? Leftist önly see peöples skin colör and judge them based ön that, ör their sex ör if yöu disagree with their pölitics then yöu are a bad persön. If yöu want tö loök any öf this up gö ahead but even if I prövide söurces I have a feeling yöu will make möre excuses ör burry yöur head and deny it. Lol at you guys, really. I thought we were supposed to discuss Star Wars here, not some political bullshit agenda. I have to be real here. Complain all you want, it's there. You won't change it. Not here, at least. We get it, you're not satisfied with how the franchise is going, so let it go. I ask you this, only to get this thread back on its rails: Are you folks excited for Solo: A Star Wars Story? I know I wasn't a few weeks ago, but the closer it gets to the release date, I'm starting to look forward to it more and more. (Not putting my hype up there, so that it won't end up like TLJ, though. I'm going to the theater with the hype I had for Rogue One: "Oh, it's a SW Movie? Ok, let me watch it.") I will stöp talking aböut it önce they stöp putting it in their mövies. Debate the idea, not the person. Höw aböut yöu say that tö Kathleen and JJ when they say that the peöple whö have a pröblem with the new mövies is that they are just sexist and threatend by ströng females. Yes they were generalizing. But they're not wrong, because I have seen those sexist comments. "They need to hire less white people." I'd actually like proof that she said that, cause lately the writers and directors are white. I googled searched and nothing came up.
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The pöint öf the videö is that if yöu want change tö happen at LucasFilm then tö stöp giving them möney. In yöur case yöu dönt care aböut change at LF sö the videös are nöt för yöu. And the ÖT was nöt based sölely ön pölitics. It had pölitical themes and söme that yöu cöuld argue are left leaning ör right leaning. But the difference is the new films have a pölitical agenda. The ÖT didnt push an agenda while the new films dö, thats the difference. And höw dö I knöw Kathleen is a bad persön? Because she calls me and anyöne whö has a problem with the mövie a racist and sexist. Let me ask yöu Andrew if I accused yöu öf being evil with zerö proöf wöuldnt that make me a bad persön? JJ has been ön recörd saying anyöne whö has a pröblem with The Last Jedi is just racist and sexist. Kathleen has been ön recörd saying they need tö hire less white peöple. And Rian has been ön recörd saying that Star Wars needs less white peöple in it. If Kathleen disagreed with them wöuldnt she fire them ör at least release a statement saying that LF döesnt agree with their beliefs? Leftist önly see peöples skin colör and judge them based ön that, ör their sex ör if yöu disagree with their pölitics then yöu are a bad persön. If yöu want tö loök any öf this up gö ahead but even if I prövide söurces I have a feeling yöu will make möre excuses ör burry yöur head and deny it. I will stöp talking aböut it önce they stöp putting it in their mövies. Höw aböut yöu say that tö Kathleen and JJ when they say that the peöple whö have a pröblem with the new mövies is that they are just sexist and threatend by ströng females. Sadly I do not really have a pipeline into either JJs or Kathleen's information nets, aside from perhaps Twitter so I cannot do much for anything. But they were talking about a certain element of the fandom who actually does seem to be threatened by 'strong female characters'. How I tend to look at it is if that is not you, then don't worry about it. I have issues with the movie, even some of the movies female characters, but since I am not threatened by some strong female characters I know that comment wasn't directed at me so I largely move on. See my cömment belöw. The pöint öf the videö is that if yöu want change tö happen at LucasFilm then tö stöp giving them möney. In yöur case yöu dönt care aböut change at LF sö the videös are nöt för yöu. And the ÖT was nöt based sölely ön pölitics. It had pölitical themes and söme that yöu cöuld argue are left leaning ör right leaning. But the difference is the new films have a pölitical agenda. The ÖT didnt push an agenda while the new films dö, thats the difference. And höw dö I knöw Kathleen is a bad persön? Because she calls me and anyöne whö has a problem with the mövie a racist and sexist. Let me ask yöu Andrew if I accused yöu öf being evil with zerö proöf wöuldnt that make me a bad persön? JJ has been ön recörd saying anyöne whö has a pröblem with The Last Jedi is just racist and sexist. Kathleen has been ön recörd saying they need tö hire less white peöple. And Rian has been ön recörd saying that Star Wars needs less white peöple in it. If Kathleen disagreed with them wöuldnt she fire them ör at least release a statement saying that LF döesnt agree with their beliefs? Leftist önly see peöples skin colör and judge them based ön that, ör their sex ör if yöu disagree with their pölitics then yöu are a bad persön. If yöu want tö loök any öf this up gö ahead but even if I prövide söurces I have a feeling yöu will make möre excuses ör burry yöur head and deny it. I will stöp talking aböut it önce they stöp putting it in their mövies. Höw aböut yöu say that tö Kathleen and JJ when they say that the peöple whö have a pröblem with the new mövies is that they are just sexist and threatend by ströng females. Yes they were generalizing. But they're not wrong, because I have seen those sexist comments. "They need to hire less white people." I'd actually like proof that she said that, cause lately the writers and directors are white. I googled searched and nothing came up. They were generalizing but are nöt wröng, are yöu fucking seriöus? Sö if I say all öf black peöple shöuld be in jail because they all cömmit crime and yöu rightfully say that is racist then I cöme back and pöint öut a small few whö dö cömmit crime and say well it is ökay see I was nöt wröng. That's tötally ökay with yöu Andy? And the sexist cömments are very very very very few. I have read hundreds of rötten tomatö user reviews and haven't really seen any. comicbook.com/starwars/2018/04/16/star-wars-lucasfilm-female-director-ilm/I can at least admit I was wröng. But I believe the pöint still stands. Söme Exec said they need tö hire less men and Rian Johnsön said they need less white men then said Kathleen knöws this. Nöw the questiön is can you admit yöu were wröng?
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 10, 2018 12:51:57 GMT
Sadly I do not really have a pipeline into either JJs or Kathleen's information nets, aside from perhaps Twitter so I cannot do much for anything. But they were talking about a certain element of the fandom who actually does seem to be threatened by 'strong female characters'. How I tend to look at it is if that is not you, then don't worry about it. I have issues with the movie, even some of the movies female characters, but since I am not threatened by some strong female characters I know that comment wasn't directed at me so I largely move on. See my cömment belöw. Yes they were generalizing. But they're not wrong, because I have seen those sexist comments. "They need to hire less white people." I'd actually like proof that she said that, cause lately the writers and directors are white. I googled searched and nothing came up. They were generalizing but are nöt wröng, are yöu fucking seriöus? Sö if I say all öf black peöple shöuld be in jail because they all cömmit crime and yöu rightfully say that is racist then I cöme back and pöint öut a few small few whö dö cömmit crime and say well it is ökay see I was nöt wröng. That's tötally ökay with yöu Andy? And the sexist cömments are very very very very few. I have read hundreds of rötten tomatö user reviews and haven't really seen any. comicbook.com/starwars/2018/04/16/star-wars-lucasfilm-female-director-ilm/I can at least admit I was wröng. But I believe the pöint still stands. Söme Exec said they need tö hire less men and Rian Johnsön said they need less white men then said Kathleen knöws this. Nöw the questiön is can you admit yöu were wröng? Okay I get it. But do understand you accelerated to a completely different issue then the one we're talking about. Still, at most they said they want to promote diversity. No where does that say they want to hire less men. Hell, they hired John Favreau on International Women's Day. Talk about tone deaf.
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Post by mybudgee on May 10, 2018 16:58:53 GMT
See my cömment belöw. Nöw the questiön is can you admit yöu were wröng? Okay I get it. But do understand you accelerated to a completely different issue then the one we're talking about. Still, at most they said they want to promote diversity. No where does that say they want to hire less men. Hell, they hired John Favreau on International Women's DayThis may have been necessary to salvage the franchise. You know it, I know it & I think even K. Kennedy knows it
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2018 18:07:59 GMT
I did not say I agreed with JJs comments, in fact I believe when I posted the initial article I said just the opposite, what I said was that it does not personally bother me. I even understand it to a degree given how much the comments are A. accurate to a CERTAIN degree (even some members of this thread have indicated a curious double standard) B. since those comments do not include me. And C. that the vagaries of time have probably mitigated the initial outrage.
As a rule I tend to dislike generalizations and hyperbole of this sort but we are only human.
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Post by mybudgee on May 10, 2018 18:18:09 GMT
Lol at you guys, really... Are you folks excited for Chewbacca: A Star Wars Story? I know I wasn't a few weeks ago, but the closer it gets to the release date, I'm starting to look forward to it more and more. Yes. I am, despite my cynical nature & general lack of faith in mega-corporations. I love the idea of the Godfather in space, I like the cast and Howard is a veteran filmmaker. I will give it an honest chance. ONE If it turns out to be nearly as horrible as episode 8, however I may have to put Lucasfilm in the boycott bin along with Wal-Mart & fucking EA Just a couple weeks & we'll know if I am going into full anti-Kennedy mode or not...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 10, 2018 18:32:14 GMT
Lol at you guys, really... Are you folks excited for Chewbacca: A Star Wars Story? I know I wasn't a few weeks ago, but the closer it gets to the release date, I'm starting to look forward to it more and more. Yes. I am, despite my cynical nature & general lack of faith in mega-corporations. I love the idea of the Godfather in space, I like the cast and Howard is a veteran filmmaker. I will give it an honest chance. ONE If it turns out to be nearly as horrible as episode 8, however I may have to put Lucasfilm in the boycott bin along with Wal-Mart & fucking EA Just a couple weeks & we'll know if I am going into full anti-Kennedy mode or not... This is my future self speaking to you:
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Post by mybudgee on May 10, 2018 18:35:19 GMT
Yes. I am, despite my cynical nature & general lack of faith in mega-corporations. I love the idea of the Godfather in space, I like the cast and Howard is a veteran filmmaker. I will give it an honest chance. ONE If it turns out to be nearly as horrible as episode 8, however I may have to put Lucasfilm in the boycott bin along with Wal-Mart & fucking EA Just a couple weeks & we'll know if I am going into full anti-Kennedy mode or not... [snip] This is my future self speaking to you: No more crying
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2018 18:38:33 GMT
Lol at you guys, really... Are you folks excited for Chewbacca: A Star Wars Story? I know I wasn't a few weeks ago, but the closer it gets to the release date, I'm starting to look forward to it more and more. Yes. I am, despite my cynical nature & general lack of faith in mega-corporations. I love the idea of the Godfather in space, I like the cast and Howard is a veteran filmmaker. I will give it an honest chance. ONE If it turns out to be nearly as horrible as episode 8, however I may have to put Lucasfilm in the boycott bin along with Wal-Mart & fucking EA Just a couple weeks & we'll know if I am going into full anti-Kennedy mode or not... If its anything like the Godfather I might gouge my eyes out. For me the Godfather is one of the worse movie experiences I have ever had to suffer through...twice.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 18:40:54 GMT
If it turns out to be nearly as horrible as episode 8, however I may have to put Lucasfilm in the boycott bin along with Wal-Mart & fucking EA Just a couple weeks & we'll know if I am going into full anti-Kennedy mode or not... Same. But even then, regardless of Solo's quality, I can still see myself taking a break from the franchise for a bit.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 11, 2018 5:56:52 GMT
Before I put the words on my twitter block list, I read some of the tweets off the back of last night's Solo premiere. This one is typical: Jesse B. Gill @jessebgill #Solo was fantastic. Rock solid, straight-down-the-middle #StarWars movie. If you’re looking for a palette cleanser after #TheLastJedi, this is it!!So, Twitter blocks on and I'll be booking some tickets...
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This guy says it all:
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Post by SofaJockey on May 11, 2018 6:57:20 GMT
This guy says it all: *boycott video snipped* Predicting huge Solo receipts. Didn't The Last Jedi also have huge DVD/Blu-Ray sales? In my view, internet snark is all fine and well, but droves of people are still packing shows and buying the stuff...
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This guy says it all: *boycott video snipped* Predicting huge Solo receipts. Didn't The Last Jedi also have huge DVD/Blu-Ray sales? In my view, internet snark is all fine and well, but droves of people are still packing shows and buying the stuff... Still... The fight to get away:
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Post by mybudgee on May 11, 2018 7:22:05 GMT
Yes. I am, despite my cynical nature & general lack of faith in mega-corporations. I love the idea of the Godfather in space, I like the cast and Howard is a veteran filmmaker. I will give it an honest chance. ONE If it turns out to be nearly as horrible as episode 8, however I may have to put Lucasfilm in the boycott bin along with Wal-Mart & fucking EA Just a couple weeks & we'll know if I am going into full anti-Kennedy mode or not... If its anything like the Godfather I might gouge my eyes out. For me the Godfather is one of the worst movie experiences I have ever had to suffer throughLoLmillennials
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If its anything like the Godfather I might gouge my eyes out. For me the Godfather is one of the worst movie experiences I have ever had to suffer throughLoLmillennials
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 12:47:13 GMT
Some of the initial reactions for Solo seem positive. Full reviews can release on the 15th.
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