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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 22:10:18 GMT
Sounds like alot of folks have a problem with Rey's arc. I don't have much of a problem with it because everything to do with the Force in my mind sort of falls under the Space Magic heading - whatever works to fit the story. I did notice that there is something different about her proficiency with the Force, in that her more powerful abilities started after she touched Anakin's old light saber. I don't think anyone else in the movies touches something and gets Force visions. She talks about the Force as "something awakened inside" of her. I think there might be something going on here that we haven't seen before. Or it could be just bad writing *shrug*. Arc? ARC? She has nö arc.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 8, 2018 22:10:19 GMT
Not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse, but in case you don't understand (maybe English isn't your first language), 'main offenders' does not mean offensive or offended. No I understand perfectly well. I assure you I just don't give a single fuck about it
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 8, 2018 22:12:51 GMT
Not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse, but in case you don't understand (maybe English isn't your first language), 'main offenders' does not mean offensive or offended. I know your post wasn't directed at me, but I always think that scene when I see someone call another person obtuse.
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 8, 2018 22:21:08 GMT
Sounds like alot of folks have a problem with Rey's arc. I don't have much of a problem with it because everything to do with the Force in my mind sort of falls under the Space Magic heading - whatever works to fit the story. I did notice that there is something different about her proficiency with the Force, in that her more powerful abilities started after she touched Anakin's old light saber. I don't think anyone else in the movies touches something and gets Force visions. She talks about the Force as "something awakened inside" of her. I think there might be something going on here that we haven't seen before. Or it could be just bad writing *shrug*. Arc? ARC? She has nö arc.
Sure - her arc is the ultimate Star Wars fangirl, who discovers the reality of her fantasy to be WAY more dangerous than she thought.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 8, 2018 22:23:30 GMT
Arc? ARC? She has nö arc.
Sure - her arc is the ultimate Star Wars fangirl, who discovers the reality of her fantasy is be WAY more dangerous than she thought.
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Post by Nayawk on Jun 8, 2018 22:23:42 GMT
Sounds like alot of folks have a problem with Rey's arc. I don't have much of a problem with it because everything to do with the Force in my mind sort of falls under the Space Magic heading - whatever works to fit the story. I did notice that there is something different about her proficiency with the Force, in that her more powerful abilities started after she touched Anakin's old light saber. I don't think anyone else in the movies touches something and gets Force visions. She talks about the Force as "something awakened inside" of her. I think there might be something going on here that we haven't seen before. Or it could be just bad writing *shrug*. Snoke talks to this. His take is that the Force itself craves balance and that because of the rise of the Kylo Ren/darkside, the Force tags Rey (for whatever reason) and says 'you're it'. There was obviously force potential there to start with but the lightsaber/ren interaction kick it into overdrive. Personally I'm of the opinion that while Rey has a deep well of force inside her, she has no training (where so many complaints come from) what she does have is a force bond with Ren, who does have training. We haven't seen a force bond on screen like this, who knows what the rules are. Maybe more than just visions flow across it, subconsciously she could be taking what she needs when she needs it.
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 8, 2018 22:26:46 GMT
Sounds like alot of folks have a problem with Rey's arc. I don't have much of a problem with it because everything to do with the Force in my mind sort of falls under the Space Magic heading - whatever works to fit the story. I did notice that there is something different about her proficiency with the Force, in that her more powerful abilities started after she touched Anakin's old light saber. I don't think anyone else in the movies touches something and gets Force visions. She talks about the Force as "something awakened inside" of her. I think there might be something going on here that we haven't seen before. Or it could be just bad writing *shrug*. Snoke talks to this. His take is that the Force itself craves balance and that because of the rise of the Kylo Ren/darkside, the Force tags Rey (for whatever reason) and says 'you're it'. There was obviously force potential there to start with but the lightsaber/ren interaction kick it into overdrive. Personally I'm of the opinion that while Rey has a deep well of force inside her, she has no training (where so many complaints come from) what she does have is a force bond with Ren, who does have training. We haven't seen a force bond on screen like this, who knows what the rules are. Maybe more than just visions flow across it, subconsciously she could be taking what she needs when she needs it. Might be taking, might be absorbing. Wonder how her interactions with Snoke will affect her.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 8, 2018 22:27:21 GMT
Sounds like alot of folks have a problem with Rey's arc. I don't have much of a problem with it because everything to do with the Force in my mind sort of falls under the Space Magic heading - whatever works to fit the story. I did notice that there is something different about her proficiency with the Force, in that her more powerful abilities started after she touched Anakin's old light saber. I don't think anyone else in the movies touches something and gets Force visions. She talks about the Force as "something awakened inside" of her. I think there might be something going on here that we haven't seen before. Or it could be just bad writing *shrug*. Snoke talks to this. His take is that the Force itself craves balance and that because of the rise of the Kylo Ren/darkside, the Force tags Rey (for whatever reason) and says 'you're it'. There was obviously force potential there to start with but the lightsaber/ren interaction kick it into overdrive. Personally I'm of the opinion that while Rey has a deep well of force inside her, she has no training (where so many complaints come from) what she does have is a force bond with Ren, who does have training. We haven't seen a force bond on screen like this, who knows what the rules are. Maybe more than just visions flow across it, subconsciously she could be taking what she needs when she needs it. ... or perhaps Rey is a badly written Mary-Sue?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 22:39:19 GMT
Sounds like alot of folks have a problem with Rey's arc. I don't have much of a problem with it because everything to do with the Force in my mind sort of falls under the Space Magic heading - whatever works to fit the story. I did notice that there is something different about her proficiency with the Force, in that her more powerful abilities started after she touched Anakin's old light saber. I don't think anyone else in the movies touches something and gets Force visions. She talks about the Force as "something awakened inside" of her. I think there might be something going on here that we haven't seen before. Or it could be just bad writing *shrug*. Snoke talks to this. His take is that the Force itself craves balance and that because of the rise of the Kylo Ren/darkside, the Force tags Rey (for whatever reason) and says 'you're it'. There was obviously force potential there to start with but the lightsaber/ren interaction kick it into overdrive. Personally I'm of the opinion that while Rey has a deep well of force inside her, she has no training (where so many complaints come from) what she does have is a force bond with Ren, who does have training. We haven't seen a force bond on screen like this, who knows what the rules are. Maybe more than just visions flow across it, subconsciously she could be taking what she needs when she needs it. The förce bönd that Snöke admitted he created and döesnt exist anymöre?
The whöle balance is a BS theöry toö. Sö in the öriginal trilögy Luke and Leia was made by the förce tö be goöd because there was twö Sith, but önce Vader kills the Emperör and then he dies the förce wöuld then need tö make new Sith because it is nöw öut öf balance. And the prequels för 1000 years there were önly twö Sith and milliöns öf Jedi sö why wasnt it balanced öut then?
See when Rian Johnsön writes BS reasöns för things tö justify his störy it nöt önly affect his stöty but the whöle franchise because this is a continuatiön öf a series.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jun 8, 2018 22:47:23 GMT
Here's hoping Kennedy resigns & Dave Filoni takes over... Watching those old Star Wars clips takes me back to movie magic. ^ for a young kid to see Yoda's small hut is trip because it looks like such a nice cozy fort. A kids imagination is a wonderful thing.
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Post by Nayawk on Jun 8, 2018 22:48:32 GMT
Snoke talks to this. His take is that the Force itself craves balance and that because of the rise of the Kylo Ren/darkside, the Force tags Rey (for whatever reason) and says 'you're it'. There was obviously force potential there to start with but the lightsaber/ren interaction kick it into overdrive. Personally I'm of the opinion that while Rey has a deep well of force inside her, she has no training (where so many complaints come from) what she does have is a force bond with Ren, who does have training. We haven't seen a force bond on screen like this, who knows what the rules are. Maybe more than just visions flow across it, subconsciously she could be taking what she needs when she needs it. The förce bönd that Snöke admitted he created and döesnt exist anymöre? Snoke claims to have created, but we all know bad guys never lie. The last bond meeting we see happens well after Snoke is dead. If the bond is gone or not is up to JJ Abrams, but as of the last few scenes of the movie it is still working.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 8, 2018 22:52:07 GMT
Lighten up kids
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 8, 2018 23:00:32 GMT
Snoke talks to this. His take is that the Force itself craves balance and that because of the rise of the Kylo Ren/darkside, the Force tags Rey (for whatever reason) and says 'you're it'. There was obviously force potential there to start with but the lightsaber/ren interaction kick it into overdrive. Personally I'm of the opinion that while Rey has a deep well of force inside her, she has no training (where so many complaints come from) what she does have is a force bond with Ren, who does have training. We haven't seen a force bond on screen like this, who knows what the rules are. Maybe more than just visions flow across it, subconsciously she could be taking what she needs when she needs it. The förce bönd that Snöke admitted he created and döesnt exist anymöre?
The whöle balance is a BS theöry toö. Sö in the öriginal trilögy Luke and Leia was made by the förce tö be goöd because there was twö Sith, but önce Vader kills the Emperör and then he dies the förce wöuld then need tö make new Sith because it is nöw öut öf balance. And the prequels för 1000 years there were önly twö Sith and milliöns öf Jedi sö why wasnt it balanced öut then?
See when Rian Johnsön writes BS reasöns för things tö justify his störy it nöt önly affect his stöty but the whöle franchise because this is a continuatiön öf a series.
Snoke might have been speaking in metaphors. He might have meant it more as a philosophical pattern where someone powerful inevitably courts a challenge, like a thesis/antithesis dialectic. But, basically his line was so out of wack with, like, everything else in the Star Wars universe, that I took it to be something non-literal. Of course, the Jedi of the Republic had believed in a prophecy about balance... maybe Snoke's ideology has something similar. Are Snoke and Kylo Ren even Sith? I wasn't clear on that.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 8, 2018 23:06:58 GMT
The förce bönd that Snöke admitted he created and döesnt exist anymöre?
The whöle balance is a BS theöry toö. Sö in the öriginal trilögy Luke and Leia was made by the förce tö be goöd because there was twö Sith, but önce Vader kills the Emperör and then he dies the förce wöuld then need tö make new Sith because it is nöw öut öf balance. And the prequels för 1000 years there were önly twö Sith and milliöns öf Jedi sö why wasnt it balanced öut then?
See when Rian Johnsön writes BS reasöns för things tö justify his störy it nöt önly affect his stöty but the whöle franchise because this is a continuatiön öf a series.
Of course, the Jedi of the Republic had believed in a prophecy about balance... maybe Snoke's ideology has something similar. Are Snoke and Kylo Ren even Sith? No, they are Dark-side plot devices
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 23:10:47 GMT
The förce bönd that Snöke admitted he created and döesnt exist anymöre? Snoke claims to have created, but we all know bad guys never lie. The last bond meeting we see happens well after Snoke is dead. If the bond is gone or not is up to JJ Abrams, but as of the last few scenes of the movie it is still working. I havent seen the mövie. What is the last bönd meeting? The förce bönd that Snöke admitted he created and döesnt exist anymöre? The whöle balance is a BS theöry toö. Sö in the öriginal trilögy Luke and Leia was made by the förce tö be goöd because there was twö Sith, but önce Vader kills the Emperör and then he dies the förce wöuld then need tö make new Sith because it is nöw öut öf balance. And the prequels för 1000 years there were önly twö Sith and milliöns öf Jedi sö why wasnt it balanced öut then?
See when Rian Johnsön writes BS reasöns för things tö justify his störy it nöt önly affect his stöty but the whöle franchise because this is a continuatiön öf a series.
Snoke might have been speaking in metaphors. He might have meant it more as a philosophical pattern where someone powerful inevitably courts a challenge, like a dialectic. But, basically his line was so out of wack with, like, everything else in the Star Wars universe, that I took it to be something non-literal. Of course, the Jedi of the Republic had believed in a prophecy about balance... maybe Snoke's ideology has something similar. Are Snoke and Kylo Ren even Sith? I wasn't clear on that. Thats all well and goöd but that is all yöur head cannön.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 8, 2018 23:18:28 GMT
Snoke claims to have created, but we all know bad guys never lie. The last bond meeting we see happens well after Snoke is dead. If the bond is gone or not is up to JJ Abrams, but as of the last few scenes of the movie it is still working. I havent seen the mövie. What is the last bönd meaning? It's like this but on a big space-ship
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 8, 2018 23:38:24 GMT
Snoke claims to have created, but we all know bad guys never lie. The last bond meeting we see happens well after Snoke is dead. If the bond is gone or not is up to JJ Abrams, but as of the last few scenes of the movie it is still working. I havent seen the mövie. What is the last bönd meeting? Snoke might have been speaking in metaphors. He might have meant it more as a philosophical pattern where someone powerful inevitably courts a challenge, like a dialectic. But, basically his line was so out of wack with, like, everything else in the Star Wars universe, that I took it to be something non-literal. Of course, the Jedi of the Republic had believed in a prophecy about balance... maybe Snoke's ideology has something similar. Are Snoke and Kylo Ren even Sith? I wasn't clear on that. Thats all well and goöd but that is all yöur head cannön. Wait... you haven't seen the movie? At least see the movie first before you complain about it. Rey shuts the door on Kylo. The point is the connection is still there regardless of Snoke. Granted he's not there to amplify it anymore.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2018 23:50:24 GMT
Arc? ARC? She has nö arc.
Sure - her arc is the ultimate Star Wars fangirl, who discovers the reality of her fantasy to be WAY more dangerous than she thought. Her fantasy was staying on Jakku 'til her parents came to get her.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2018 23:57:23 GMT
Here's hoping Kennedy resigns & Dave Filoni takes over... Watching those old Star Wars clips takes me back to movie magic. I recently introduced my not-quite-four year old niece to ANH. She was totally caught up with it. Especially when Leia was onscreen (or as she sometimes called her "the girl with the round hair")
*after I read the opening crawl to her* "That's a lot of words"
*When the Jawas capture Artoo and Threepio* "They sound like Minions!"
*When Ben gives Luke Anakin's old lightsaber* "The princess needs a lightsaber too!" (rather perceptive of her)
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Post by Nayawk on Jun 9, 2018 0:52:55 GMT
Of course, the Jedi of the Republic had believed in a prophecy about balance... maybe Snoke's ideology has something similar. Are Snoke and Kylo Ren even Sith? I wasn't clear on that. Snoke and Ren aren't Sith, Abrams went on record about that when TFA came out.
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 9, 2018 1:15:32 GMT
Of course, the Jedi of the Republic had believed in a prophecy about balance... maybe Snoke's ideology has something similar. Are Snoke and Kylo Ren even Sith? I wasn't clear on that. Snoke and Ren aren't Sith, Abrams went on record about that when TFA came out. So just rando Darksiders.... I dig it.
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Post by Nayawk on Jun 9, 2018 1:34:28 GMT
Snoke claims to have created, but we all know bad guys never lie. The last bond meeting we see happens well after Snoke is dead. If the bond is gone or not is up to JJ Abrams, but as of the last few scenes of the movie it is still working. I havent seen the mövie. What is the last bönd meeting? Ren has been tricked by Luke giving time for the rebels to escape, as Ren kneels in the now abandoned base on Crait the bond opens so Ren and Rey see each other. They stare at each other for a bit then Rey closes the ramp on the Falcon. I think there is room to wiggle about how that leaves the force bond. It seems like the bond closes as Rey shuts the ramp, does that mean the bond has evolved and they can open/close it at will (as oppose to the random nature of it before) or does that signal the end of the bond for good? Either way the movie as it stand does not answer that speculation. The bond in the movie is still functional.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 9, 2018 3:12:28 GMT
Snoke and Ren aren't Sith, Abrams went on record about that when TFA came out. So just rando Darksiders.... I dig it. They do everything pretty much like the Sith except have an ideology, goal &/or a code of conduct
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Post by Nayawk on Jun 9, 2018 4:48:24 GMT
So just rando Darksiders.... I dig it. They do everything pretty much like the Sith except have an ideology, goal &/or a code of conduct So basically the difference we see in someone who is a non-denominational christian vs a catholic. This isn't a hard concept, we see it everyday in the real world.
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