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Post by newnation on Jun 23, 2018 20:16:49 GMT
HOW DARE WE NOT LIKE SOMETHING YOU LIKE!! And yet as this thread has proven how dare people like what you do not. So why can't the reverse be said as well? And they aren’t wrong. Negative fans are what put the side stories on hiatus thus did more damage to the franchise. I get not liking something and am not saying you should be forced to like something, but don't ruin it for those who do like that thing. I completely agree with you but will add the problem is with the fans and Disney. I hated TLJ but I don't go around attacking other people that liked it or the actors that were in the film. People need to chill the hell out. On the other end, Disney's management put the wrong people in charge of the franchise. I can see them wanting to give Star Wars a different feel with different and new filmmakers but they're never on the same page with them which contributes to numerous production problems. Do you think Solo would have had most of this controversy if they got Ron Howard to direct from the start? I remember Rogue One going through a ton of reshoots as well. This is why most of Marvel's movies turn out like they do because the studio and the filmmakers are on the same page. That being said, I'm not buying the whole Star Wars fatigue or it opening behind Avengers and Deadpool. Its freaking Star Wars. Hitting them in the wallet is a way better way to make them listen than outright being dicks to people. Because Solo did so bad in the theaters it is making them reevaluate how they're making their movies.
I also doubt the remake will happen. There are a lot of legal problems with this seeing as Disney owns the franchise and that episode 9 is already in development.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 23, 2018 22:25:20 GMT
HOW DARE WE NOT LIKE SOMETHING YOU LIKE!! And yet as this thread has proven how dare people like what you do not. So why can't the reverse be said as well? And they aren’t wrong. Negative fans are what put the side stories on hiatus thus did more damage to the franchise. I get not liking something and am not saying you should be forced to like something, but don't ruin it for those who do like that thing. That's a bit unfair, wouldn't it be the loss of sales that put the side stories on hiatus? Just because someone doesn't want to spend their money on this franchise any more doesn't make them a negative fan, nor does stating your reasons for why you think a particular movie failed in it's writing. Some of the best feedback can be criticism as long as it's given in a constructive manner (No I'm not talking about trolls) but lets be real, as long as a company is making enough $$$ they don't care about trolls either. While I'm glad you liked the movies and wouldn't dis anyone who likes them, it's also only a matter of opinion that Disney going on hiatus with these stories is negative. It's with my hopes Disney can take a step back and get some better writers, because I feel that Disney has only themselves to blame not negative fans. Fans should not be blamed for not being suckered into a product that they feel is lacking in quality.
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And yet as this thread has proven how dare people like what you do not. So why can't the reverse be said as well? And they aren’t wrong. Negative fans are what put the side stories on hiatus thus did more damage to the franchise. I get not liking something and am not saying you should be forced to like something, but don't ruin it for those who do like that thing. That's a bit unfair, wouldn't it be the loss of sales that put the side stories on hiatus? Just because someone doesn't want to spend their money on this franchise any more doesn't make them a negative fan, nor does stating your reasons for why you think a particular movie failed in it's writing. Some of the best feedback can be criticism as long as it's given in a constructive manner (No I'm not talking about trolls) but lets be real, as long as a company is making enough $$$ they don't care about trolls either. While I'm glad you liked the movies and wouldn't dis anyone who likes them, it's also only a matter of opinion that Disney going on hiatus with these stories is negative. It's with my hopes Disney can take a step back and get some better writers, because I feel that Disney has only themselves to blame not negative fans. Fans should not be blamed for not being suckered into a product that they feel is lacking in quality.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2018 22:55:27 GMT
And yet as this thread has proven how dare people like what you do not. So why can't the reverse be said as well? And they aren’t wrong. Negative fans are what put the side stories on hiatus thus did more damage to the franchise. I get not liking something and am not saying you should be forced to like something, but don't ruin it for those who do like that thing. I completely agree with you but will add the problem is with the fans and Disney. I hated TLJ but I don't go around attacking other people that liked it or the actors that were in the film. People need to chill the hell out. On the other end, Disney's management put the wrong people in charge of the franchise. I can see them wanting to give Star Wars a different feel with different and new filmmakers but they're never on the same page with them which contributes to numerous production problems. Do you think Solo would have had most of this controversy if they got Ron Howard to direct from the start? I remember Rogue One going through a ton of reshoots as well. This is why most of Marvel's movies turn out like they do because the studio and the filmmakers are on the same page. That being said, I'm not buying the whole Star Wars fatigue or it opening behind Avengers and Deadpool. Its freaking Star Wars. Hitting them in the wallet is a way better way to make them listen than outright being dicks to people. Because Solo did so bad in the theaters it is making them reevaluate how they're making their movies. I also doubt the remake will happen. There are a lot of legal problems with this seeing as Disney owns the franchise and that episode 9 is already in development.
Agreed. I'm not saying that the negative fans are the only cause. There is rarely if ever only one cause for something bad happening. The creators have some of the blame as well. Regarding the Solo movie losing most of its controversy if Ron Howard was there since the beginning, I doubt that would have stopped most of it. The moment this became a young Han Solo movie, one of the most popular Star Wars characters, it was doomed to have tons of controversy from fans. Rogue One had some controversy because of things like reshoots, but it had nothing compared to movies dealing with the original characters. Yeah I don't buy those excuses. Besides it being Star Wars like you said, it's not like most people don't see multiple movies during the Summer. It's why so many movies are released that time of year. Now maybe they should have held off until December to avoid those things which may have been a minor factor, but overall the main loss of sales in my opinion was all the premature backlash and the controversy. And yet as this thread has proven how dare people like what you do not. So why can't the reverse be said as well? And they aren’t wrong. Negative fans are what put the side stories on hiatus thus did more damage to the franchise. I get not liking something and am not saying you should be forced to like something, but don't ruin it for those who do like that thing. That's a bit unfair, wouldn't it be the loss of sales that put the side stories on hiatus? Just because someone doesn't want to spend their money on this franchise any more doesn't make them a negative fan, nor does stating your reasons for why you think a particular movie failed in it's writing. Some of the best feedback can be criticism as long as it's given in a constructive manner (No I'm not talking about trolls) but lets be real, as long as a company is making enough $$$ they don't care about trolls either. While I'm glad you liked the movies and wouldn't dis anyone who likes them, it's also only a matter of opinion that Disney going on hiatus with these stories is negative. It's with my hopes Disney can take a step back and get some better writers, because I feel that Disney has only themselves to blame not negative fans. Fans should not be blamed for not being suckered into a product that they feel is lacking in quality. I don't see that as unfair. Sure they aren't the only cause of this decision but they are definitely a notable contributing factor. There were so many people bashing the movies before they even came out that you couldn't escape seeing that, and that bombardment without a doubt was a big cause of the loss of sales, arguably the most impactful cause as I don't really buy some of the other reasons. I'm glad you wouldn't dis anyone who likes the movies. Seems you are the minority considering I've seen more than one poster say anyone who likes the new movies aren't Star Wars fans. I should note however that I don't consider everyone who doesn't like the movies as negative fans. I consider the people who did things like in my example as that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2018 22:56:13 GMT
It's with my hopes Disney can take a step back and get some better writers. Well said. A step back was crucially needed in my opinion. Just like with Bioware and Mass Effect. If they drop the Andromeda story because of that, I'm going to be pissed off.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 23, 2018 23:24:26 GMT
*snip* I don't see that as unfair. Sure they aren't the only cause of this decision but they are definitely a notable contributing factor. There were so many people bashing the movies before they even came out that you couldn't escape seeing that, and that bombardment without a doubt was a big cause of the loss of sales, arguably the most impactful cause as I don't really buy some of the other reasons. I'm glad you wouldn't dis anyone who likes the movies. Seems you are the minority considering I've seen more than one poster say anyone who likes the new movies aren't Star Wars fans. I should note however that I don't consider everyone who doesn't like the movies as negative fans. I consider the people who did things like in my example as that. I feel like there's no way to prove this and that it's just speculation. However I will say that based on my own observations TFA and TLJ both did well in theaters and most of the negative criticism really seemed to explode after TLJ. This leads me to believe that most of the fans were just not satisfied with the writing, which I feel was the biggest factor in Solo's poor sales. I'll concede that there was probably some unfair bashing of solo from a few before they saw it, I'm just doubtful they would be a big enough cause to stop others from seeing it. I do know my dissatisfaction with TFA and TLJ effected my decision not to see it. I won't trash solo and I actually heard it was pretty good but if people are unsatisfied with each consecutive film, there is going to be a point where they decide with their wallets.
But fair enough, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. Well said. A step back was crucially needed in my opinion. Just like with Bioware and Mass Effect. If they drop the Andromeda story because of that, I'm going to be pissed off. Aside from some bugs where I lost a couple hours of my saves and some funny animations, I really enjoyed Andromeda. I do hope it's continued, just polished up a bit.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 24, 2018 0:14:49 GMT
HOW DARE WE NOT LIKE SOMETHING YOU LIKE!! And yet as this thread has proven how dare people like what you do not. So why can't the reverse be said as well? And they aren’t wrong. Negative fans are what put the side stories on hiatus thus did more damage to the franchise. I get not liking something and am not saying you should be forced to like something, but don't ruin it for those who do like that thing. Negative fans as in "fans disappointed in the direction the movies are being taken in"? HOW DARE THEY!!? Disney: defining what's "good" since 1928 People have a right to be disappointed, and to speak out about it. That doesn't make them "so-called fans"
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Post by Pearl on Jun 24, 2018 0:27:12 GMT
Disney: defining what's "good" since 1928 you know what would be really good right about now? another extension on copyrights, I think their most recent one is going to be running out at some point in my lifetime
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Post by Sifr on Jun 24, 2018 3:36:55 GMT
Negative fans as in "fans disappointed in the direction the movies are being taken in"? Being disappointed in the new movies is fine, but some of the extreme negativity feels like some fans are bitter that the movies aren't the same as the idealised version they'd already written in their heads.
It's not Disney's fault that anything they do will invariably fail to live up to our expectations, while Jossing our speculations at the same time. Because everyone in the world should agree on what would constitute the perfect Star Wars sequel, right?
I'm not trying to be an apologist for the new films (because they do have flaws/problems), but it does sometimes appear like we're holding these new films to an impossible standard and getting angry/disappointed when they fail to meet the hype or our own (slightly unrealistic) expectations.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 24, 2018 4:15:04 GMT
Negative fans as in "fans disappointed in the direction the movies are being taken in"? Being disappointed in the new movies is fine, but some of the extreme negativity feels like some fans being bitter that the movies aren't the same as the idealised version they'd already written in their heads.
It's not Disney's fault that anything they do will invariably fail to live up to our expectations, while Jossing our speculations at the same time. Because everyone in the world should agree on what would constitute the perfect Star Wars sequel, right?
I'm not trying to be an apologist for the new films (because they do have flaws/problems), but it does sometimes appear like we're holding these new films to an impossible standard and getting angry/disappointed when they fail to meet the hype or our own (slightly unrealistic) expectations.
Plus the fact that they aren’t based on the old EU also caused hatred among some. I’ve only read a few of the old eu books and played KOTOR, KOTOR2, SWTOR, the Dark forces series and Jedi Academy series plus A bunch of other non cannon games. But all in all the old EU was a mess and never officially cannon for that reason. Only thing I’m aware of that ever was cannon was The Force Unleashed. Personally I like the direction they took even though there are some minor issues.
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Post by Wilding on Jun 24, 2018 6:15:44 GMT
Star Wars the Last Jedi was a good movie and I love Reylo! Honestly, that was the best thing about it, because you know, they have such a connection that I can just feel it whenever I rewatch it over and over again...
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 24, 2018 8:15:09 GMT
Star Wars the Last Jedi was a good movie and I love Reylo! Honestly, that was the best thing about it, because you know, they have such a connection that I can just feel it whenever I rewatch it over and over again... [img src="
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Post by Wilding on Jun 24, 2018 10:09:21 GMT
Star Wars the Last Jedi was a good movie and I love Reylo! Honestly, that was the best thing about it, because you know, they have such a connection that I can just feel it whenever I rewatch it over and over again... [img src=" I'm gonna go and get some Reylo pictures to place on here, for you alls to see.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 24, 2018 15:22:22 GMT
Negative fans as in "fans disappointed in the direction the movies are being taken in"? Being disappointed in the new movies is fine, but some of the extreme negativity feels like some fans are bitter that the movies aren't the same as the idealised version they'd already written in their heads.
It's not Disney's fault that anything they do will invariably fail to live up to our expectations, while Jossing our speculations at the same time. Because everyone in the world should agree on what would constitute the perfect Star Wars sequel, right?
I'm not trying to be an apologist for the new films (because they do have flaws/problems), but it does sometimes appear like we're holding these new films to an impossible standard and getting angry/disappointed when they fail to meet the hype or our own (slightly unrealistic) expectations.
Not turning the old heroes into pathetic failures at life is NOT an impossible standard.
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 24, 2018 17:31:39 GMT
You know, I brought up Mad Max earlier in connection with the Kenobi movie, but it just occurred to me that there is a great story to be told in the Star Wars galaxy of society sort of falling apart under the oppression of the Empire. We see a glimpse of this in Jedha, a town under military occupation, in Rogue One, and in Rey's home planet of Jakku. I bet if Kenobi heads out into the deserts of Tatooine, to some other town besides Anchorhead (which apparently hasn't changed much for several thousand years) and Mos Isley , there is a really nutty R rated story to be told to explain why Uncle Owen thinks old Ben is "crazy". In fact, this trailer for the podrace scene done in the style of Fury Road kind of illustrates it:
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2018 19:12:34 GMT
Being disappointed in the new movies is fine, but some of the extreme negativity feels like some fans are bitter that the movies aren't the same as the idealised version they'd already written in their heads.
It's not Disney's fault that anything they do will invariably fail to live up to our expectations, while Jossing our speculations at the same time. Because everyone in the world should agree on what would constitute the perfect Star Wars sequel, right?
I'm not trying to be an apologist for the new films (because they do have flaws/problems), but it does sometimes appear like we're holding these new films to an impossible standard and getting angry/disappointed when they fail to meet the hype or our own (slightly unrealistic) expectations.
Not turning the old heroes into pathetic failures at life is NOT an impossible standard. When you think about it though, this isn't anything new in Star Wars. All the heroes in Star Wars go through this. Yoda and Obi-Wan failed at their task so went into exile, and Anakin is pretty much a textbook example of a failure since he failed to stop if not caused everything he feared would happen to happen. We haven't had a hero yet who has everything go their way. The closest major character to get that is ironically the villain Palpatine.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 24, 2018 19:43:44 GMT
Negative fans as in "fans disappointed in the direction the movies are being taken in"? Being disappointed in the new movies is fine, but some of the extreme negativity feels like some fans are bitter that the movies aren't the same as the idealised version they'd already written in their heads.
It's not Disney's fault that anything they do will invariably fail to live up to our expectations, while Jossing our speculations at the same time. Because everyone in the world should agree on what would constitute the perfect Star Wars sequel, right?
I'm not trying to be an apologist for the new films (because they do have flaws/problems), but it does sometimes appear like we're holding these new films to an impossible standard and getting angry/disappointed when they fail to meet the hype or our own (slightly unrealistic) expectations.
No question they have an incredibly high amount of anticipation & expectation. This is for mainly two reasons (may not apply to kids in their early 20s for obviousl reasons) 1. People have been looking forward to a sequel trilogy for MOST OF MY LIFETIME. Episode 6 was released in 1983 & is arguably the last time a Star Wars film was mostly well-received (I love Rogue 1 too, but for the sake of argument let's keep the discussion about the Saga flicks). For years leading up to the prequels many books/games/comics explored the sequel era, for better or worse. It has been hyped to a colossal level. Nothing, except perhaps Infinity War has had this amount of buildup in modern pop culture. People expected the sequels to AT LEAST be on the same level as the holy trilogy regarding plot, characters & writing in general. There's not much room to debate that this isn't the case, sadly 2. The Star Wars films (and animated series to a lesser degree) are the closest we have to a modern day Mythology. It resonates with us in a way that is profound and somewhat difficult to articulate. For centuries humanity has passed on Myths as a way of collectively imparting wisdom & advice about the human condition via an entertaining yet fantastical tale. The characters in the galaxy far, far away are very much like us, yet not human or from Earth. We need the sequels to be satisfying, it is more important than "just a big dumb movie about space wizards", but essential to many of us. They are our contemporary version of the village elder telling stories around a campfire. They (and we) deserve better than what Ruin Johnson & K. Kennedy have delivered
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 24, 2018 21:06:36 GMT
Being disappointed in the new movies is fine, but some of the extreme negativity feels like some fans are bitter that the movies aren't the same as the idealised version they'd already written in their heads.
It's not Disney's fault that anything they do will invariably fail to live up to our expectations, while Jossing our speculations at the same time. Because everyone in the world should agree on what would constitute the perfect Star Wars sequel, right?
I'm not trying to be an apologist for the new films (because they do have flaws/problems), but it does sometimes appear like we're holding these new films to an impossible standard and getting angry/disappointed when they fail to meet the hype or our own (slightly unrealistic) expectations.
No question they have an incredibly high amount of anticipation & expectation. This is for mainly two reasons (may not apply to kids in their early 20s for obviousl reasons) 1. People have been looking forward to a sequel trilogy for MOST OF MY LIFETIME. Episode 6 was released in 1983 & is arguably the last time a Star Wars film was mostly well-received (I love Rogue 1 too, but for the sake of argument let's keep the discussion about the Saga flicks). For years leading up to the prequels many books/games/comics explored the sequel era, for better or worse. It has been hyped to a colossal level. Nothing, except perhaps Infinity War has had this amount of buildup in modern pop culture. People expected the sequels to AT LEAST be on the same level as the holy trilogy regarding plot, characters & writing in general. There's not much room to debate that this isn't the case, sadly 2. The Star Wars films (and animated series to a lesser degree) are the closest we have to a modern day Mythology. It resonates with us in a way that is profound and somewhat difficult to articulate. For centuries humanity has passed on Myths as a way of collectively imparting wisdom & advice about the human condition via an entertaining yet fantastical tale. The characters in the galaxy far, far away are very much like us, yet not human or from Earth. We need the sequels to be satisfying, it is more important than "just a big dumb movie about space wizards", but essential to many of us. They are our contemporary version of the village elder telling stories around a campfire. They (and we) deserve better than what Ruin Johnson & K. Kennedy have delivered I don’t agree. I feel they have delivered exactly what we deserved and needed. Time to pass the torch and move on and so far so good imo.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2018 21:13:56 GMT
I was watching Rey and Kylo Ren's Lightsaber fight from Force Awakens last night and smething occured to me: In the Force Awakens novelization Rey heard a voice that basically implored her to kill Kylo. The overt implication being she was being influenced by the Dark Side during that part of that scene. But, what if it was during that entire bit when she started tapping into the Force? What if it wasn't the light side that she was tapping into, as the music suggested and as I think the common theory holds, but the dark side? Suddenly that scene makes a lot more sense...then it already did. We know that Kylo was emotionally compromised during the entire movie, lines in both The Last Jedi and Force Awakens prove it, we know he wasn't fully commited and was looking...begging!...to his Grandfather's helmet to show him da way. Then on the other side we have a woman who has every reason to be emotionally distrought, hates Kylo Ren with a passion...again as both Last Jedi and Force Awakens indicates...so what if she fed into the hate there? We know how powerful that can make force users.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 24, 2018 21:44:35 GMT
Not turning the old heroes into pathetic failures at life is NOT an impossible standard. When you think about it though, this isn't anything new in Star Wars. All the heroes in Star Wars go through this. Yoda and Obi-Wan failed at their task so went into exile, and Anakin is pretty much a textbook example of a failure since he failed to stop if not caused everything he feared would happen to happen. We haven't had a hero yet who has everything go their way. The closest major character to get that is ironically the villain Palpatine. They failed to stop the Sith, yes. But Obi-Won dedicated twenty years of his life to ensure Luke grew up safely and set him on the path to become a Jedi. Yoda spent twenty years in a swamp, but in the end trained Luke to be a Jedi. Not like Han, who ran out on his family, or Luke, who completely gave up on life after a single failure.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2018 21:47:51 GMT
When you think about it though, this isn't anything new in Star Wars. All the heroes in Star Wars go through this. Yoda and Obi-Wan failed at their task so went into exile, and Anakin is pretty much a textbook example of a failure since he failed to stop if not caused everything he feared would happen to happen. We haven't had a hero yet who has everything go their way. The closest major character to get that is ironically the villain Palpatine. They failed to stop the Sith, yes. But Obi-Won dedicated twenty years of his life to ensure Luke grew up safely and set him on the path to become a Jedi. Yoda spent twenty years in a swamp, but in the end trained Luke to be a Jedi. Not like Han, who ran out on his family, or Luke, who completely gave up on life after a single failure. Luke spent a few years on an island (honestly that is one of the new things that the new movies do confuse me on is the exact time line) but in the end rose to save the day and the Resistance from the First Order.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 24, 2018 22:01:57 GMT
Yeah its happening. Qui-Gön Glenn plays the öld Luke. Terminatör förce will play Finn in black face. Budgee plays Pöe. Masterwarderz plays Snöke. Ariozar Nikephoros plays emö ren. HK90210 plays Hux. Iakus in drag plays öld Princess Leia. We gönna cast Kate Upton as Ma-Rey Sue and hyper sexualize her just tö piss öff the SJWs. I will be the directör. Trust me it cant be wörst than TLJ. I thought TLJ was fine so.... Great, if only you could have supported Solo solo...see what I did there?
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 24, 2018 22:02:41 GMT
I thought TLJ was fine so....
It is the so-called fans like these idiots that are ruining Star Wars and NOT Disney.
...Hah No, I supported this franchise since before you probably were even born.
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