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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 21, 2019 19:44:11 GMT
They seriously ruined the entire concept of the Force in general in this movie as well, just goes to show if the Force is Female it's always on the rag. I'd say that sequel trilogy in places is more faithful to OT in its portrayal of the Force than prequels or numerous books, comics and games. "Then all the Jedi are in me." I need say nothing else to render what you just said, absolute garbage. So no, wrong. The hand-wave contrivance of being able to state with a straight face that you can concentrate the prior generation into the new one, literally is something that is so contrite that if the EU had ever dared to push that narrative, I would have said the same. Because it isn't just one Jedi or Sith, it isn't just two or three, or folks you had personal connection with and built up bonds with, nope its everyone from start to finish and I am meant to take this nonsense seriously. ._. They seriously just reused Dark Empire without the needed context for it to make sense- Reborn Palpatine requiring the spirits of every fallen Jedi ever to be held permanently in Chaos was in response to his emergence as a living Force Nexus. To say nothing of course of just the sheer gall that they have to assume that people are too stupid to notice them reusing the EU and then having the balls to say that its all original because Star Wars doesn't have decades of supporting and supplementary material like other universes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 21, 2019 20:13:14 GMT
Rise of Skywalker made Revan canon again. Though to be honest I hope this is as far as they go with the character.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 21, 2019 20:18:46 GMT
Rise of Skywalker made Revan canon again. You mean it named dropped an already established and popular character because creativity is non existent for the people in modern day Star Wars
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Post by skekSil on Dec 21, 2019 21:59:16 GMT
"Then all the Jedi are in me." I need say nothing else to render what you just said, absolute garbage. Only a Sith deals in Absolutes! Also I said " in places is more faithful to OT in its portrayal of the Force". Since "all the Jedi in me" stuff wasn't in OT, I wasn't talking about it.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2019 22:59:36 GMT
Only tangentially related, but I just got out of Knives Out, Rian Johnson’s new movie. And you know what? I really liked it. Lot’s of twists, a sort of love letter to the country house mystery genre with a good sense of humor.
This sort of dovetails with my theory that he’s a talented filmmaker but best left to his own toys rather than meddling in a franchise where he seems a bit overly interested in implementing his artistic vision rather than contemplating the needs of the middle entry of a trilogy or maintaining consistency with prior work and characters.
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Post by warden on Dec 21, 2019 23:06:28 GMT
I don't know how you guys can endure this torture to be honest.
it can kill the soul of a person.
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Post by skekSil on Dec 21, 2019 23:19:59 GMT
So, a question to all the haters here - is the new movie better or worse than TLJ?
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 22, 2019 4:00:54 GMT
._. They seriously just reused Dark Empire without the needed context for it to make sense- Reborn Palpatine requiring the spirits of every fallen Jedi ever to be held permanently in Chaos was in response to his emergence as a living Force Nexus. To say nothing of course of just the sheer gall that they have to assume that people are too stupid to notice them reusing the EU and then having the balls to say that its all original because Star Wars doesn't have decades of supporting and supplementary material like other universes. What's worse is that JJ & KK created an inferior copy to the original product while pretending that it all came from their new ideas. Iger, Kennedy and Abrams are minimally talented hacks.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 22, 2019 4:37:23 GMT
Heck going all the way back to The Force Awakens, Starkiller Base was essentially the Galaxy Gun.
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Post by cypherj on Dec 22, 2019 13:47:04 GMT
I have mixed feelings about the movie.
On one hand, from a nostalgia standpoint I thought it was great. But I think they played on peoples' sense of nostalgia in order to hide the fact that the story didn't make any sense. I mean at all.
But what bothered me the most was the many times it seems they just pulled things out of left field, or just added some never before seen force power in order to make a particular scene work, and keep the story moving. No foundation or explanation for most of it. When Finn was talking to the little droid that had been with them for a while, and the droid says, oh yeah, I just remembered I have this information that can help you guys. I just shook my head. At one point in the movie, my daughter said out loud, "what, that doesn't make any sense."
You could definitely tell there was no overarching plan for all three movies in the beginning. Not only do the movies not flow together, but this movie even attempts to retcon its predecessor.
It's not the worst movie I've ever seen, but it is not a great movie, probably not even a good movie.
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Post by Obadiah on Dec 22, 2019 14:22:27 GMT
My biggest problem with the movie is that it lacks an original theme. We're back to scrappy rebels finding the courage to go up against an overwhelming ressurgent evil empire - good vs evil. I think the new movie should have done more with that "cycle of violence" that DJ mentioned.
"Blip blippity bloop"
Just seemed like a bit of a soap opera in the end.
I did like the idea of "faith in your fellow man" that plays into the story - after what happened at the climax of TLJ the Resistance was still severely reduced and pretty demoralized.
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Post by Obadiah on Dec 22, 2019 14:24:11 GMT
Missing the whole point - she's confident and comfortable enough in who she is to claim an identity.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 22, 2019 16:35:35 GMT
Missing the whole point - she's confident and comfortable enough in who she is to claim an identity. To claim SOMEONE ELSE'S, you mean. Finn, at least only took Poe's jacket, and didn't name himself "Dameron"
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Post by Iakus on Dec 22, 2019 16:38:47 GMT
So, a question to all the haters here - is the new movie better or worse than TLJ? Worse. It makes TLJ look like a cinematic marvel in comparison. Okay, that I find hard to believe.
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Post by heathenoxman on Dec 22, 2019 18:02:01 GMT
It's a bad movie. 1/3 damage control after TLJ 1/3 scenes from older SW movies redone with different characters 1/3 other for of fan service It doubles down on ignoring the rules set in SW universe and, unfortunately, is just boring. Haven't actually seen it yet, but I've read the spoilers. I'm not the biggest SW fan in the universe, and even I think this movie sounds cringe.
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Post by river82 on Dec 22, 2019 19:09:46 GMT
The Rise of Skywalker is in trouble and will struggle to make 1 billion dollars. The Last Jedi opening weekend took 220 million at the domestic box office and 438 million worldwide (and went on to make 1.3 billion). Normally the third Star Wars movie ticks up from the second, it happened in both previous trilogies. The Rise of Skywalker however only took only 175 million at the domestic box office on the opening weekend and 374 million worldwide. That being said the Mandalorian was amazing for them so not everything is bad news. Lucasfilms should find a way to get Jon Favreau to only churn out Star Wars stuff
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 22, 2019 19:50:16 GMT
RoS is a beautiful movie, well done. Abrams should have directed TLJ. At least this movie toned down the idiot humor of the last. Poe, Rose and Finn were actually tolerable in this movie. Still winning!
Should have used an established planet for their Sith base like Korriban. Doesn't get more dark side than that, but no lets used a made up planet for this movie
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Post by Obadiah on Dec 22, 2019 23:09:54 GMT
She also stole their legacy of defeating the Emperor Not really. She was only able to because of the Jedi of the past giving her an Avatar State power boost. The most prominent voices were the three Skywalkers. My understanding of her power was that it was because of her lineage. I thought the whole "all Jedi" thing was, like, moral support - no pressure.
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Post by OdanUrr on Dec 23, 2019 2:01:57 GMT
So I hear Rey pulled an Avatar.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 23, 2019 11:40:45 GMT
RoS is a beautiful movie, well done. Abrams should have directed TLJ. At least this movie toned down the idiot humor of the last. Poe, Rose and Finn were actually tolerable in this movie. Still winning!
Should have used an established planet for their Sith base like Korriban. Doesn't get more dark side than that, but no lets used a made up planet for this movie It would have been a bit weird if they used Korriban since fans would have a hard time believing nobody knows where the planet is.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 23, 2019 13:54:07 GMT
RoS is a beautiful movie, well done. Abrams should have directed TLJ. At least this movie toned down the idiot humor of the last. Poe, Rose and Finn were actually tolerable in this movie. Still winning!
Should have used an established planet for their Sith base like Korriban. Doesn't get more dark side than that, but no lets used a made up planet for this movie It would have been a bit weird if they used Korriban since fans would have a hard time believing nobody knows where the planet is. Well no one should, nothing's fucking happened there in like a 1,000 years. Unless if you count a children's cartoon turning one of the most famous character's in the EU into fucking Darth Balrog. Because Disney smart, Disney delete EU there and then years later bemoan the lack of the EU.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 23, 2019 14:12:35 GMT
So I hear Rey pulled an Avatar. More like a brain aneurysm
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