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Post by skekSil on Jan 29, 2021 15:57:53 GMT
Funny how high ground didnt stop him from chopping up Darth Maul. Edit: well I wasnt the first one to think of it.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 29, 2021 21:02:36 GMT
Luke vs Jake Skywalker
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Post by Serza on Jan 30, 2021 22:13:39 GMT
Funny how high ground didnt stop him from chopping up Darth Maul. Edit: well I wasnt the first one to think of it.
Obi-Wan is one with the high ground, which means he commands all it's power. When Maul secured the high ground, it refused to obey, for it knew the one truly attuned to it was Kenobi.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 30, 2021 23:44:41 GMT
Funny how high ground didnt stop him from chopping up Darth Maul. Edit: well I wasnt the first one to think of it.
Obi-Wan is one with the high ground, which means he commands all it's power. When Maul secured the high ground, it refused to obey, for it knew the one truly attuned to it was Kenobi.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jan 31, 2021 10:56:36 GMT
It's not the age, as much as the exemplary light saber skills and connection with the force. Being one of the youngest ever Jedi Knights. Having to take command on her first escort mission, which she is obviously going to be successful at, and save the day. I mean, is every protagonist they have from now on going to be one of the best at everything from the start of the story, and succeed at everything right away? To be fair, this is set quite a long time before the original and prequel trilogies. It's plausible that the overall standards in this period are way, way lower than they will be by the time of the Phantom Menace, especially what with her being able to knock a supposedly fully qualified Jedi Master on his ass. And it was always pretty silly to imagine that Luke calling himself a Jedi Master meant that he actually came close to qualifying for the rank in the classical Jedi's measure. Honestly, by now the whole saga just makes more sense if you assume that the Jedi of the "modern" Republic were insanely powerful and competent and held to sublime standards, that Darth Vader and Sidious and Ben Kenobi were all heavily debilitated by age and their wounds by the time of the original trilogy, and that Rey and Kylo and to some extent Luke just never really knew what they were doing compared to their ancestors. Which the trilogies' respective lightsaber fight choreographies kind of bear out. Putting these comparatively soft and weak and undisciplined High Republic Jedi somewhere in the middle on that spectrum. Maybe there was a recent war that made them lower the training and graduation standards just to keep up their numbers, or the Republic has been so healthy and prosperous for so long that they're not really needed to perform the way 'modern' Jedi will be yet? Maybe some of the events of the High Republic will cause the Jedi to hold their members to far more exacting standards in the future? There's potentially a story there. Granted, this way of looking at it is kind of taking a dump on Luke, Vader and Sidious, and it's a lot of bending over backwards headcanon to justify all these ridiculously powerful teenage girl Jedi protagonists who get to beat everyone up, and never need to learn discipline, and whose 'character arcs' just seem to revolve around realizing and accepting that they're naturally the best and don't need anyone else, because that is clearly such a healthy message to send young women. I do like that it casts the fall of the Jedi of the Republic as an even greater tragedy for the momentous expertise and accomplishment that was lost forever though, and gives Rey's story a more melancholic flavor for being so weak and dysfunctional and unworthy of her heritage. Which then unfortunately also applies to Luke. And yes, saying that this is how Star Wars always worked is a bald-faced lie. Luke's character arc is about learning to rein in his impulses and do the right thing even if it doesn't feel like the most natural and convenient option, and Anakin's is about being seduced by his own strength and self-righteousness into imagining that it's wrong for him to suffer losses. Neither of them ultimately succeed just by being awesome and special and being themselves. Proposing that is a complete misunderstanding of what actually happens in the movies, where one self-destructs and becomes a monster and the other indirectly saves the galaxy by specifically refusing to let his emotions rule him.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jan 31, 2021 13:30:15 GMT
That is why Obi Wan was one of the greatest jedi masters: master of high ground and master of POV.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 31, 2021 15:44:34 GMT
That is why Obi Wan was one of the greatest jedi masters: master of high ground and master of POV. after all, "what (he) told (us) was true.....from a certain point of view"
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Post by mybudgee on Feb 1, 2021 3:23:08 GMT
The sequels were an ABSOLUTE catastrophe, it is known
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 1, 2021 3:38:18 GMT
Well, he wasn’t a Stormtrooper as he angrily exclaimed to Mando in Season 1.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 1, 2021 14:28:52 GMT
Well, he wasn’t a Stormtrooper as he angrily exclaimed to Mando in Season 1. Exactly. Finn's ex-stormtrooper arc was that nonexistent.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 1, 2021 15:11:32 GMT
This is legit one of my favorite scores in Star Wars right now. I didn't think that Kevin Kiner had it in him, but he actually did something good here. Not bad at all.
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Post by skekSil on Feb 1, 2021 17:44:40 GMT
Well, he wasn’t a Stormtrooper as he angrily exclaimed to Mando in Season 1. Exactly. Finn's ex-stormtrooper arc was that nonexistent. You deflect arguments better than Vader deflects blaster bolts.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 1, 2021 18:39:35 GMT
Exactly. Finn's ex-stormtrooper arc was that nonexistent. You deflect arguments better than Vader deflects blaster bolts. Uhm. That isn't a deflection, it's God's honest truth, and entirely on-point. Mayfield's arc is an objectively better ex-stormtrooper arc than Finn's is, in spite of him not technically having been a stormtrooper. And actually even in spite of Mayfield's arc not being particularly good. And I'll happily go into specifics if you're actually interested in thrashing it out. Besides which, I started by completely agreeing with Hanako's assessment for what it was. I just also pointed out how inconsequential her counterpoint was to the argument being made. Making her argument the deflection. What you should have said is that I catch and strangle deflections like Darth Vader chokes incompetent command staff. Speaking of:
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Post by skekSil on Feb 1, 2021 19:48:40 GMT
Uhm. That isn't a deflection, it's God's honest truth, and entirely on-point. Mayfield's arc is an objectively better ex-stormtrooper arc than Finn's is, in spite of him not technically having been a stormtrooper. And actually even in spite of Mayfield's arc not being particularly good. And I'll happily go into specifics if you're actually interested in thrashing it out. Frankly, it was a joke that popped up in my head and I decided to use it now before I forgot it, like so many other semi-decent jokes before. On a more serious note, not every character needs an ex-something story ark and I think Finn is one them.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 1, 2021 22:27:18 GMT
Uhm. That isn't a deflection, it's God's honest truth, and entirely on-point. Mayfield's arc is an objectively better ex-stormtrooper arc than Finn's is, in spite of him not technically having been a stormtrooper. And actually even in spite of Mayfield's arc not being particularly good. And I'll happily go into specifics if you're actually interested in thrashing it out. Frankly, it was a joke that popped up in my head and I decided to use it now before I forgot it, like so many other semi-decent jokes before. On a more serious note, not every character needs an ex-something story ark and I think Finn is one them. Considering for the first time in the movie franchise, we get to see Stormtroopers be more than faceless goons for the heroes to shoot at It would be a chance for Finn to be a unique and interesting character. Sadly the sequels wasted him and shunted him aside for psycho pretty boy Kylo Ren.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 1, 2021 23:18:25 GMT
Frankly, it was a joke that popped up in my head and I decided to use it now before I forgot it, like so many other semi-decent jokes before. On a more serious note, not every character needs an ex-something story ark and I think Finn is one them. Considering for the first time in the movie franchise, we get to see Stormtroopers be more than faceless goons for the heroes to shoot at It would be a chance for Finn to be a unique and interesting character. Sadly the sequels wasted him and shunted him aside for Psycho pretty boy Kylo Ren. Initially I thought they might be going for a sort of rendition of Kir Kanos from the old EU where you had a imperialist who through disagreement over policy and erm, other events ended up fighting other Imperials. Still bought into the Empire, it was leagues over the chaos of the Old Republic to him but he had mass disagreement over the backroom politicking over those trying to secure the throne for themselves, he himself was a Palpatine loyalist, the betrayal of other royal guard elements that led to his ultimate death was what actually what prompted him to take action to begin with. But it as we all know now did not go that way.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 2, 2021 2:25:22 GMT
Frankly, it was a joke that popped up in my head and I decided to use it now before I forgot it, like so many other semi-decent jokes before. On a more serious note, not every character needs an ex-something story ark and I think Finn is one them. Well, next time try to take a moment to think it through and hold yourself to a higher standard. Semi-decent jokes don't really make people laugh unless they're drunk, they just mark you as trying to be funny. Train yourself to reserve the mediocre ones for more polishing and only putting out gold. Eventually the gold will multiply. On a more serious note, nobody said that "every character needs an ex-something story arc", just that Finn's sucks. And considering that being a young stormtrooper traumatized from slaughter who wants to escape the war comprises the only part of his character development in all three movies that actually makes some sense and is remotely sympathetic, though even that is pretty bugged in terms of what it implies about the First Order's training and brainwashing methodology and him occasionally relishing blowing up his own comrades and fellow slaves, I'd definitely say that he and the movies needed it. And that J.J. obviously tried to give it to him, and half-assed it, while Johnson just went right out and took a big dump on anything resembling the notion. Meanwhile, Mayfield has a fully comprehensible character arc about dropping the excuses and raising himself above what he's done in the past and the ones who still don't realize how wrong it is, and takes action to avenge his own morality on the man who threw it away like it was garbage and do what he can in the moment to protect others and make up for some small part of the damage he's done. This happens over a couple of scenes that make absolutely shit for sense in general, with space-nitroglycerine inexplicably transported by monster trucks attacked by bandits who can afford hovercrafts and grenades but not blaster pistols, stormtroopers and Tie-fighters becoming ultra competent for once in the entire franchise only to protect the heroes, computers that will give any Average Joe sensitive information about the locations of the Imperial command as long as they don't scan specifically as being an enemy of the Empire, and goofy shit like that. And it's also not very consistent with his portrayal in the first season. But the character arc itself remains intact and workable and fairly engaging throughout, and is carried to completion. All unlike Finn's. You deflect arguments like a dead youngling.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 2, 2021 10:08:58 GMT
It's called: Anakin's Paradox.
How can one sit on the Jedi Council and not be a Jedi Master?
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