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THERE IS ALWAYS A BIGGER NERD.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 21, 2023 18:25:06 GMT
You guys can say what you want about episode 1,2 and 3 but the lightsaber fights are absolutely spot on now those are lightsaber fights. It's already in the name light in lightweight because how heavy can they be and i have to say that count Dooku absolutely wields the most elegant lightsaber then those ugly jedi lightsabers. In episode 4,5,6,7,8 and 9 it looks like they're all wielding a heavy sword instead of a lightsaber. What's also strange is that super Rey gets tired of wielding a lightsaber lol. Nice try but that is the wrong terminology applied here. Light in this case means illumination not weight. Though... If we go with your idea anyhow on weight being a factor like you say then the most logical real life equivalent would be that of a plasma sword -which we have seen be created. Battles in ANY of the movie would have been anti-climatic since the light beams would pass straight through each other with no way to stop them -if they could even make it that far... For you see in some of the fight scenes -save one that they do in the movies the blades move way to fast that the plasma beam would dissipate down to the hilt leaving nothing but a handle in the hand with maybe a light fume extending a centimeter or so up. This dissipation most likely would melt their hands right in the process. Not to mention plasma sword are currently limited by fuel and once the gas source runs out -unless tethered to a gas source would be a useless. Still in this case any Jedi or Sith that would be in such a situation I don't think would be considered very agile. Case in point: This would never happen if lightsabers were plasma swords outright. -With a modification however... This is easily all fixed though... If you take the plasma beam and surrplant it in a magnetic field that with enough effort can push through the opponents beam. This also fixes your "weight issue" since a magnetic field -depending on its source can add weight -especially if it be a nano singularity. Which if this idea were to be a given for star wars Lightsaber functionality then everyone should have a lot more respect for the strength or Qui-Gon. The way the beam cuts though and yet appears on the other side would seem to affirm the magnetic field is strong enough to hold the plasma blade together even through a blast door. And the force Qui-Gon is applying must be equal to that of a child Superman. Just missing the Super Q on his robes. To me, Star Wars was always Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction. Therefore, in this context, I don't give a dam if they are "realistic" plasma swords or not. They are exactly as light or as haevy as they need to be for the scenes to look cool. And I am with the Inquisitor here. I also think the light saber fights in the sequel looked the best (maybe with the exception of Yoda the bouncy ball but there,the problem was mor putting Yoda in that position in the first place).
The Darth Maul/Obi Wan/Quigon fight is legendary, Count Dooku had a very cool fighting style IMO and the duel between Obi Wan and Anakin on Mustafar is sublime (also due to the soundtrack but also the choreography). I also loved the games, that were spawned by this style of fighting, like the Jedi Knight series and now the new Jedi series. I just love this idea od Jedi really using the force to their advantage in these fights way more than just throwing some objects.
I always thought (even before the prequels were out) that the fight between Obi Wan and Darth Vader on the Death Star in Episode 4 looked kinda clunky and weird to be honest and I do like that one fan made reinterpretation of it where they re-imagined it with moves that are closer to the prequels. Granted, it was too indulgent and wouldn't have fit into the movie this way at that point either but it did look cool as a youtube video.
So yeah, all in all I am firmly in the prequel camp when it comes to lightsaber fights.
That said, I think it does make some sense that - at least in the new movies - when the Jedi and their arts have been gone for quite some time, there is just no one around who can weild a lightsaber with quite the skill that was common in the era of the pre-Empire Republic.
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Post by skekSil on Aug 21, 2023 21:24:04 GMT
To me, Star Wars was always Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction. These are fighting words, bro.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 21, 2023 21:41:37 GMT
To me, Star Wars was always Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction. These are fighting words, bro. I know. It's like "hard scifi" vs. "soft scifi", right.
I do think it makes a difference though, at least for me personally. I am the first one to nerd out about how much fuel the ship in e.g. The Expanse would really need or how far away they'd need to be from a planet to start their drives in order not to burn half a continent to slag and things like that. But that's because they are making an effort there. Even in Star Trek, I like to nerd out over their techno babble (well, the old Trek anyway, the new ones don't really give a shit anymore).
But come on, Star Wars never really cared about how any of their stuff works. Maybe there are some rather obscure technical manuals out there in the extended merchandise but it's never really in the main stories of the franchise. So if they don't really care, why should I?
So there is a difference IMO, though I will admit, the lines are so blurry, it's really more of a diffuse gradient.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 21, 2023 22:31:15 GMT
Nice try but that is the wrong terminology applied here. Light in this case means illumination not weight. Though... If we go with your idea anyhow on weight being a factor like you say then the most logical real life equivalent would be that of a plasma sword -which we have seen be created. Battles in ANY of the movie would have been anti-climatic since the light beams would pass straight through each other with no way to stop them -if they could even make it that far... For you see in some of the fight scenes -save one that they do in the movies the blades move way to fast that the plasma beam would dissipate down to the hilt leaving nothing but a handle in the hand with maybe a light fume extending a centimeter or so up. This dissipation most likely would melt their hands right in the process. Not to mention plasma sword are currently limited by fuel and once the gas source runs out -unless tethered to a gas source would be a useless. Still in this case any Jedi or Sith that would be in such a situation I don't think would be considered very agile. Case in point: This would never happen if lightsabers were plasma swords outright. -With a modification however... This is easily all fixed though... If you take the plasma beam and surrplant it in a magnetic field that with enough effort can push through the opponents beam. This also fixes your "weight issue" since a magnetic field -depending on its source can add weight -especially if it be a nano singularity. Which if this idea were to be a given for star wars Lightsaber functionality then everyone should have a lot more respect for the strength or Qui-Gon. The way the beam cuts though and yet appears on the other side would seem to affirm the magnetic field is strong enough to hold the plasma blade together even through a blast door. And the force Qui-Gon is applying must be equal to that of a child Superman. Just missing the Super Q on his robes. To me, Star Wars was always Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction. Therefore, in this context, I don't give a dam if they are "realistic" plasma swords or not. They are exactly as light or as haevy as they need to be for the scenes to look cool. And I am with the Inquisitor here. I also think the light saber fights in the sequel looked the best (maybe with the exception of Yoda the bouncy ball but there,the problem was mor putting Yoda in that position in the first place).
Realism doesn't matter. Consistency does.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 21, 2023 22:54:49 GMT
THERE IS ALWAYS A BIGGER NERD. I will take that crown easy. And granted I am only a casual SW fan. STOS, STNG, STDS9, STVOY, STENT, B5, SG1, SGA, & Andromeda all are better for me since they have a basis in hard science. Though I can get enjoyment from a franchise that doesn't go to hard into the science or fantasy -DW or Farscape for example. I still a hard base in reality to enjoy it. I guess I am too much an anylizer and knowing that something wont physically work annoys me. Guess that is why I like Macgyver -original and the Equalizer movies for their realism. After all this I really don't think term Nerd can define me here. I think the classification of a Nerdageek does. And I will soon prove it... har har har.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 21, 2023 23:05:45 GMT
To me, Star Wars was always Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction. Therefore, in this context, I don't give a dam if they are "realistic" plasma swords or not. They are exactly as light or as haevy as they need to be for the scenes to look cool. And I am with the Inquisitor here. I also think the light saber fights in the sequel looked the best (maybe with the exception of Yoda the bouncy ball but there,the problem was mor putting Yoda in that position in the first place).
Realism doesn't matter. Consistency does. Well, when it comes to that, I don't think the repquels do too badly either. I remember seeing Revenge of the Sith in the theater for the first time and liking how it all fell into place at the end.
And in terms of consistency in lightsaber fighting styles, The only one that really stands out a little bit is that first one in Episode 4 and I am pretty sure it was because they couldn't really do much better between the costumes and the FX (I may be wrong there though). But I think one can see how even Ep5 and 6 they are getting closer to what the prequels were doing. And as i said, it could at least be partially explained by many years of no one really using these weapons in the way they were used in Ep1-3. So I don't have a problem with that.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 21, 2023 23:15:21 GMT
To me, Star Wars was always Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction. Therefore, in this context, I don't give a dam if they are "realistic" plasma swords or not. They are exactly as light or as haevy as they need to be for the scenes to look cool. And I am with the Inquisitor here. I also think the light saber fights in the sequel looked the best (maybe with the exception of Yoda the bouncy ball but there,the problem was mor putting Yoda in that position in the first place).
Realism doesn't matter. Consistency does. When they are one in the same they both matter. Though granted this is one thing that I like about Star Wars is the plot is usually well thought out with maybe a twist here or there. I think its a trope of SW now but no matter I like how SW plot usually isn't that full of holes... well pre KK at least.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 21, 2023 23:29:52 GMT
To me, Star Wars was always Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction. These are fighting words, bro. A fight I will soon settle for both sides... and probably cause the forum to loose its ever loving mind.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 22, 2023 0:49:20 GMT
These are fighting words, bro. I know. It's like "hard scifi" vs. "soft scifi", right. I do think it makes a difference though, at least for me personally. I am the first one to nerd out about how much fuel the ship in e.g. The Expanse would really need or how far away they'd need to be from a planet to start their drives in order not to burn half a continent to slag and things like that. But that's because they are making an effort there. Even in Star Trek, I like to nerd out over their techno babble (well, the old Trek anyway, the new ones don't really give a shit anymore). But come on, Star Wars never really cared about how any of their stuff works. Maybe there are some rather obscure technical manuals out there in the extended merchandise but it's never really in the main stories of the franchise. So if they don't really care, why should I? So there is a difference IMO, though I will admit, the lines are so blurry, it's really more of a diffuse gradient. As promised I will now kill everyone's belief of Star Wars being only sci fi fantasy and not having any hard science. Which can be true to a point. There is evidence that Star Wars also has basis in scientific fact. Star Wars does use crystals as power sources -specifically Kyber crystals. Using crystals as a power source does occur in other hard science franchises not to mention the real world -just think about certain watches. ALTHOUGH unlike other franchises SW does add the moral dilemma since these crystals are supposedly alive or living to a certain degree. If you claim this is a lie I ask how many hard science franchises top echelon species use crystal technology? Well I can name a few: Asgard, Ancients & Goa'uld from Star Gate. The Federation of Star Trek use it to a degree, the Altrusian from the original Land of the Lost -supposedly. However the most well known crystal technology using species is obviously: Though I have only ever seen the true hard science of the technology in one comic book run but I read that so long ago. I could go on but that is just one basis of hard science in Star Wars though again with living crystals that does take it another degree but so did Star Gate: Let me know when you see the eyes looking back at him.
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Post by Evil on Aug 22, 2023 1:19:38 GMT
To me, Star Wars was always Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction. These are fighting words, bro. Then you'd better call George Lucas and tell him to go buy some boxing gloves.
To quote: "Star Wars really isn't a science-fiction film, it's a fantasy film and a space opera."
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Post by skekSil on Aug 22, 2023 6:17:38 GMT
Then you'd better call George Lucas and tell him to go buy some boxing gloves.
To quote: "Star Wars really isn't a science-fiction film, it's a fantasy film and a space opera." Space opera is a sub-genre of science fiction. Citation: any dictionary will do.
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Post by Evil on Aug 22, 2023 22:27:31 GMT
Then you'd better call George Lucas and tell him to go buy some boxing gloves.
To quote: "Star Wars really isn't a science-fiction film, it's a fantasy film and a space opera." Space opera is a sub-genre of science fiction. Citation: any dictionary will do. Tell George that.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 23, 2023 3:45:47 GMT
Spaceopera and science fantasy are two different genres, though there can be significant overlap. Star Wars, for example, is both.
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[Sees activity in the SW thread and thinks: Oh, they've seen the first episodes of the Ahsoka show, I must partake.] Sees what's going on: This stuff again? Right, I'll come back later.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 23, 2023 13:35:21 GMT
Sorry, haven't watched any SW since Season to of The Mandalorian ended.
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Yeah, Loth cats got some development:
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Post by skekSil on Aug 30, 2023 16:48:10 GMT
So anyway, I have watched three episodes of Ashoka and I like it so far. I feel action scenes are done here better than in Mando season 3 and it benefits from having a vision of where it is going unlike Mando who lost his way after season 2 and was just wandering around. And I don't understand where all the hate is coming from.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 4, 2023 7:33:49 GMT
So anyway, I have watched three episodes of Ashoka and I like it so far. I feel action scenes are done here better than in Mando season 3 and it benefits from having a vision of where it is going unlike Mando who lost his way after season 2 and was just wandering around. And I don't understand where all the hate is coming from.Though I am not completely through them... Pretty much fits. The idiocy that is done breaks not only plot and lore but also physics itself.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 6, 2023 21:33:04 GMT
Technically those are all Padawans so not Jedi yet. Same way a squire isn’t a knight. The only one who isn’t is dead Plus Yoda’s a manipulative little shit, so saying that just forces Luke to do what he wants him to do.
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Post by Hier0phant on Sept 7, 2023 4:28:46 GMT
Technically those are all Padawans so not Jedi yet. Same way a squire isn’t a knight. The only one who isn’t is dead Plus Yoda’s a manipulative little shit, so saying that just forces Luke to do what he wants him to do. There you sith go again, dealing in your absolutes. Master Yoda a good boy du nuffin wrong.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2023 10:43:24 GMT
Technically those are all Padawans so not Jedi yet. Same way a squire isn’t a knight. The only one who isn’t is dead Plus Yoda’s a manipulative little shit, so saying that just forces Luke to do what he wants him to do. There you sith go again, dealing in your absolutes. Master Yoda a good boy du nuffin wrong. Thats quite an absolutist statement you just made there.
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