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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2018 15:28:43 GMT
If anything you and your pals are the butthurt ones. You and your pals have been bitching about Star Wars for months in this thread. Don't you think it's time to let go? Yes. Not liking what has been done to a franchise you have enjoyed for 40 years and coming together to talk about is it "butthurt"... Sounds more like "If you don't like what I do, you're being unreasonable and possibly mentally unstable"
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 8, 2018 15:37:21 GMT
If anything you and your pals are the butthurt ones. You and your pals have been bitching about Star Wars for months in this thread. Don't you think it's time to let go? Only butthurt folk are ones hitting the report button as if it's soothing butthurt cream. Keep proving my point.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 8, 2018 15:47:53 GMT
If anything you and your pals are the butthurt ones. You and your pals have been bitching about Star Wars for months in this thread. Don't you think it's time to let go? Yes. Not liking what has been done to a franchise you have enjoyed for 40 years and coming together to talk about is it "butthurt"... Sounds more like "If you don't like what I do, you're being unreasonable and possibly mentally unstable" Sounds like butthurt to me.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2018 16:01:18 GMT
Yes. Not liking what has been done to a franchise you have enjoyed for 40 years and coming together to talk about is it "butthurt"... Sounds more like "If you don't like what I do, you're being unreasonable and possibly mentally unstable" Sounds like butthurt to me. Yes. Because we don't like something that you do.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 8, 2018 16:16:06 GMT
Sounds like butthurt to me. Yes. Because we don't like something that you do. If I hated TLJ, I wouldn't have cared to discuss it for months. Why waste time on something I hate.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jun 8, 2018 16:26:16 GMT
Yes. Because we don't like something that you do. If I hated TLJ, I wouldn't have cared to discuss it for months. Why waste time on something I hate. Because hate can be just as strong an emotion as love? (never mind whether anyone here literally hates/loves a piece of fiction- the actual definitions/degrees of emotion are beside the point) I believe the term you're looking for is indifference- you don't waste time on shit you don't care about.
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Post by Lavochkin on Jun 8, 2018 16:27:39 GMT
Love and Hate are two sides of the same coin.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2018 16:40:45 GMT
If I hated TLJ, I wouldn't have cared to discuss it for months. Why waste time on something I hate. Because hate can be just as strong an emotion as love? (never mind whether anyone here literally hates/loves a piece of fiction- the actual definitions/degrees of emotion are beside the point) I believe the term you're looking for is indifference- you don't waste time on shit you don't care about. Yup. Star Wars has helped shape two generations. Disney taking a dump on it is not going to me met with indifference.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jun 8, 2018 16:49:56 GMT
Only butthurt folk are ones hitting the report button as if it's soothing butthurt cream. Keep proving my point. Discussion and observation does not equate butthurt. I'm content with just enjoying my pre-Disney Star Wars. ... Also content with the awakening everyone's having with Disney Star Wars, because I've foreseen it.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 8, 2018 17:08:49 GMT
Because hate can be just as strong an emotion as love? (never mind whether anyone here literally hates/loves a piece of fiction- the actual definitions/degrees of emotion are beside the point) I believe the term you're looking for is indifference- you don't waste time on shit you don't care about. Yup. Star Wars has helped shape two generations. Disney taking a dump on it is not going to me met with indifference. You realize that Disney isn't going to hear you yelling into the abyss, right?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jun 8, 2018 17:12:24 GMT
Love and Hate are two sides of the same coin.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jun 8, 2018 17:13:07 GMT
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jun 8, 2018 17:15:23 GMT
Because hate can be just as strong an emotion as love? (never mind whether anyone here literally hates/loves a piece of fiction- the actual definitions/degrees of emotion are beside the point) I believe the term you're looking for is indifference- you don't waste time on shit you don't care about. Yup. Star Wars has helped shape two generations. Disney taking a dump on it is not going to me met with indifference. I wonder if a salty Commie is behind the subversion of Star Wars. I mean a capitalist franchise making billions of dollars from Cinema, toys, video games etc. in the last 40 years... almost make you forget about Karl Marx!
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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2018 17:17:05 GMT
Yup. Star Wars has helped shape two generations. Disney taking a dump on it is not going to me met with indifference. You realize that Disney isn't going to hear you yelling into the abyss, right? Yeah, and politicians aren't gonna hear people grumbling about their taxes over drinks at a bar. What's your point?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 8, 2018 17:22:10 GMT
You realize that Disney isn't going to hear you yelling into the abyss, right? Yeah, and politicians aren't gonna hear people grumbling about their taxes over drinks at a bar. What's your point? Why waste your breath.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 8, 2018 17:30:14 GMT
I’m fine with Han. I have some issues with how Luke was handled, but not as much as some in this thread. My only real problem with him is that rather than try to fix his problem with Ben he ran away and gave up on everything. That doesn’t quite jive with him being the guy who saw good in Darth Vader of all people. Luke's arc is not exactly a pleasant one. The Academy incident happened about 15 years(?) maybe after the Return of the Jedi, so there was probably a fair amount of character development in that time. From The Last Jedi it looks like he had a chance to "see" how corrupt Ben was, and saw something darker and worse that what he had seen in Vader; hard to believe but I saw Kylo Ren as Darth Vader without the Jedi trained discipline. Additionally, as he explained, those events led him to believe that his mere presence as a representation of the legendary Jedi order of the Republic and the defeat of the Empire, a savior figure that could do no wrong, was detrimental the galactic community moving past the failures of the Republic and the Imperial regime. That's a hard position to be in, but also sort of plays into his optimism that the New Republic doesn't need him to flourish and defeat the First Order. That's my interpretation, but the point is, I thought Luke's exile was an affirmative effort to help the New Republic by a character that had become just a little more jaded with experience since Return of the Jedi. Obviously, his good friend Han Solo's personality had rubbed off on him. I don't know if Luke felt that Kylo could not be turned because he had killed his own father, or if, after Luke had opened himself to the Force, he sensed Kylo's further radicalization at Snoke's manipulation, and Rey's failure to bring Kylo back from the dark. By the end of The Last Jedi, with Kylo having also killed (his formed friend? played by Max Von Sydow) Lor San Tekka, tried to kill Leia with Starkiller base, and killed Snoke - remember this is all in the insane week from beginning of TFA to then end of TLJ - I think Luke could have come to a legitimate conclusion that, ok, Ben's gone, and I can't bring him back.
I thought Luke's confrontation with Kylo Ren at the climax of The Last Jedi was pretty awesome. If Luke was going to die, a lone last stand against a resurgent Imperial army using Force powers isn't a bad way to go. Just as a set piece, I thought that whole sequence of Luke's stand against The First Order was pretty spectacular. Agreed, I didn't despise the Luke stuff, honestly. The Leia stuff was pretty dumb, though... not so much her surprise force use but more the fact that it should have been HER to do the kamikaze attack rather than some character that appears outta nowhere & dies without anyone giving a shit. Also I had huge issues with; - the entire Rey "arc" - the Mind-numbing "flash-backs" of young Ben being attacked by his uncle Luke - Every single 1st order character (esp. Snoke) - The entire 2nd act (DJ, Casino, etc.) - The humor was painfully bad & unfunny. Like AMY SCHUMER level - The moronic Porgs - No Funeral or anything for Han? - Phasma vs Finn was incredibly disappointing. I was stunned how much that scene sucked - The ending was juvenile and felt like Autistic Spaceballs - Ep. 9 will somehow be even worse
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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2018 17:32:46 GMT
Yeah, and politicians aren't gonna hear people grumbling about their taxes over drinks at a bar. What's your point? Why waste your breath. Why waste your breath? Disney's not going to hear your praise either.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 8, 2018 17:37:03 GMT
Why waste your breath? Disney's not going to hear your praise either. I just don't like talking about things that I hate. Why keep discussing it if it's always going to put a bad taste in your mouth. That's what I'm trying to understand.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 8, 2018 17:55:53 GMT
Why waste your breath? Disney's not going to hear your praise either. I just don't like talking about things that I hate. Why keep discussing it if it's always going to put a bad taste in your mouth. That's what I'm trying to understand. Yes, why do you feel the need to fight for these flicks Andy? Why are you constantly "white-knighting" in this thread? You clearly aren't as passionate about these movies (esp the classic trilogy) as some of us are. Besides, white-knighting is usually lost on 3rd wave Feminists
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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2018 18:02:28 GMT
Why waste your breath? Disney's not going to hear your praise either. I just don't like talking about things that I hate. Why keep discussing it if it's always going to put a bad taste in your mouth. That's what I'm trying to understand. Given I am not the one accusing those of differing opinions of being racist, sexist, homophobic, alt-right, or "butthurt" I think I've got a better taste in my mouth than some...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 18:05:58 GMT
Why waste your breath? Disney's not going to hear your praise either. I just don't like talking about things that I hate. Why keep discussing it if it's always going to put a bad taste in your mouth. That's what I'm trying to understand. Because we löve star wars. Are we just suppösed tö accept everything they shit öut? Can we nöt questiön it at all? Is there önly a certain time frame in which we can talk aböut it beföre we have tö möve ön? The hatred för the mövie is because öf höw much we löve the franchise. Why waste my breathe ön hatred? Well 1, its my breathe tö waste and 2, its nöt hatred, its sadness för what they did tö the franchise. The Last Jedi killed it. They toök the löre and the characters and deströyed them. And I still haven't cöme tö terms with it, and I dön't think I will ever be able tö. Unless somehöw they cöme öut and say 7 and 8 are nöt cannön. Even then I dön't think I cöuld förgive them. Yöu can choöse whether ör nöt yöu want tö talk aböut sömething. But why the hell dö yöu then get tö choöse what everyöne else talks aböut. Yöu dön't have tö jöin in öur discussiön if yöu dön't want tö but somehöw yöu always dö.
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Post by HK90210 on Jun 8, 2018 18:07:16 GMT
Why waste your breath? Disney's not going to hear your praise either. I just don't like talking about things that I hate. Why keep discussing it if it's always going to put a bad taste in your mouth. That's what I'm trying to understand. The Last Jedi is the one that brought the bad taste to a lot of us. B*tching about it with other people who hate that bad taste provides catharsis.
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Post by HK90210 on Jun 8, 2018 18:08:28 GMT
I just don't like talking about things that I hate. Why keep discussing it if it's always going to put a bad taste in your mouth. That's what I'm trying to understand. Given I am not the one accusing those of differing opinions of being racist, sexist, homophobic, alt-right, or "butthurt" I think I've got a better taste in my mouth than some... Point of order: Has Andrew done this in this thread? I am not aware of it. Citation needed.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 8, 2018 18:08:35 GMT
I just don't like talking about things that I hate. Why keep discussing it if it's always going to put a bad taste in your mouth. That's what I'm trying to understand. Given I am not the one accusing those of differing opinions of being racist, sexist, homophobic, alt-right, or "butthurt" I think I've got a better taste in my mouth than some... Fine. You do you then.
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