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Post by mybudgee on Sept 17, 2018 17:02:16 GMT
Okay, for some experimental reasons, I want to ask: What do you guys think are truly the most hated parts of the Last Jedi?You asked for it; - The entire ridiculous opening sequence with the "your momma" jokes & Hux falling on his face - The scene when Finn meets Rose. I know millennials think it's charming or some shit but to most reasonable people it is cringe after cringe - Porgs - Snoke yelling at Ben/Kylo (almost a good scene, but it needed to focus more on Snoke & his motives) - Every single scene with Holdo was insulting to the audience's intellect (except the idiot children who enjoy being spoonfed Tumblr feminism) - The cheap & lazily written exposition scene with Maz. Garbage - The entire Canto Bight scene was a cinematic abortion. Especially the political & PETA stuff. Talk about paying to be patronized... Wow - Rose & Finn's "Execution" was very juvenile & disappointing - The entire "slow-chase" plot device was awful. Just dogshit - Reylo. Twilight in space but without the character development & clever writing - The fight with the Praetorians & Snoke's death. He is a super-powerful dark side wizard, but killed by a Criss Angel sleight-of-hand?! Are you fucking kidding me??? *gags on bile* - The idiotic flashbacks of Luke standing over Ben with his saber ignited. Perfect example of this script needing another writer... - The entire "giant gun/Rose is a hero and has a blood-curdlingly stupid line about "saving what we love", What in the actual fuck?! - The shitty, flat & anti-climactic ending (For the record 95% of the Luke & Leia stuff was okay with me)
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 17, 2018 17:28:43 GMT
Okay, for some experimental reasons, I want to ask: What do you guys think are truly the most hated parts of the Last Jedi? Personally I'd say that it would be shorter and easier to list the stuff that wasn't bad. But... I'll have to think about that for awhile, because honestly, not much comes to mind right now. Largely for me most of it was either cringy, "meh", or just terrible. I'm asking this for an experiment I want to try and do. Remember the "Chauvinistic Cut?" someone made, which trimmed the movie down to 45 minutes and cut out all the female characters and ended things way too early, making it a much worse viewing experience than it already was? I want to try and make what I'm calling a "Balanced Cut," which basically edits out the more objectively bad stuff and try to trim elements to create what I hope is a better viewing experience that doesn't sacrifice the original intentions. The reason I'm asking for things people don't like is so that I can look over those various scenes and figure out which need to be cut out and which need to be re-edited.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 17, 2018 17:50:23 GMT
Things I didn't like:
Space Leia Luke. Period. Rey is a master "Jedi" after five minutes of training (exaggeration, obviously). I like her but would preferred more build-up. Finn/Poe close friendship abruptly dropped so Finn could pursue a girl who died Poe made to look stupid because the person in charge couldn't be bothered to let anyone in on her plan Super Emo Kylo Ren Snoke went down way too easily. We never even got to learn who he was.
Beyond that...I don't know. Tried to push it mostly out of my mind. I could watch it streaming but don't think I can be bothered. Meanwhile, as a kid, when cable TV was a new thing...I watched ANH (simply SW at the time) probably more times than my parents ever wanted it on the television. It was immediate favorite for me.
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Post by mybudgee on Sept 17, 2018 17:53:41 GMT
I want to try and make what I'm calling a "Balanced Cut," Well, for me personally it wouldn't work. You'd have to cut way too much, and it wouldn't leave you with anything coherent. It's one thing when you have an issue with the handling of a specific scene or two, but quite another when you think that the entire thing was (for the most part) bad. Yes, I agree. This kind of thing worked with episode 1 because there was some world-building & some cool action sequences, also a mostly logical plot which was part of a much larger arc None of this is the case with the Last Dumpster Fire
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 17, 2018 17:57:20 GMT
- The entire ridiculous opening sequence with the "your momma" jokes & Hux falling on his face Probably can edit out the lame jokes. - The scene when Finn meets Rose. I know millennials think it's charming or some shit but to most reasonable people it is cringe after cringe that's more of a directing thing than an editing thing. Unfortunately can't change that much through editing alone. While I kind of thought the Porgs were cute, their presence on screen was a little excessive. I could trim them down. - Snoke yelling at Ben/Kylo (almost a good scene, but it needed to focus more on Snoke & his motives) Again, can't change that much from an editing standpoint. The cheap & lazily written exposition scene with Maz. Garbage I wouldn't call it exposition, more of her telling Finn, Rose, and Poe that I can't help right now, but here's someone who can. - The entire Canto Bight scene was a cinematic abortion. Especially the political & PETA stuff. Talk about paying to be patronized... Wow While Canto Bight was necessary to the plot, I definitely agree that a lot of the stuff featured could have been cut, especially the all-to-familiar messages about war profiteering and animal cruelty. - Rose & Finn's "Execution" was very juvenile & disappointing I'm not exactly sure which scene you're referring to. Something to keep note of I guess. - The entire "slow-chase" plot device was awful. Just dogshit Can't change that from an editing standpoint (other than maybe not focusing on it much). - Reylo. Twilight in space but without the character development & clever writing I'm not sure I would call Twilight "clever" but I think this scene's subjective. To me it was one of the more interesting parts of the movie. Something to consider when editing though. - The fight with the Praetorians & Snoke's death. He is a super-powerful dark side wizard, but killed by a Criss Angel sleight-of-hand?! Are you fucking kidding me??? *gags on bile* Again, can't change that with editing alone (at least in a way that would make sense). - The idiotic flashbacks of Luke standing over Ben with his saber ignited. Perfect example of this script needing another writer... I got the movie was going for, but I think there is a way to do it without showing that specific flashback. The entire "giant gun/Rose is a hero and has a blood-curdlingly stupid line about "saving what we love", What in the actual fuck?! I can't change much, but at the very least I should cut out the kiss. That was...odd. - The shitty, flat & anti-climactic ending The point of the ending I can think of is to show how Luke's legacy is inspiring younger generations. I can't really change it honestly.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 17, 2018 18:02:48 GMT
I want to try and make what I'm calling a "Balanced Cut," which basically edits out the more objectively bad stuff and try to trim elements to create what I hope is a better viewing experience that doesn't sacrifice the original intentions. Well, for me personally it wouldn't work. You'd have to cut way too much, and it wouldn't leave you with anything coherent. It's one thing when you have an issue with the handling of a specific scene or two, but quite another when you think that the entire thing was (for the most part) bad. That's why I'm calling this experiment, to see if it actually can work. Personally, I think the Last Jedi had good ideas but a bad execution. I can't get rid of all the bad stuff, but I can try and re-edit them slightly so that they're at least passable. That's why it's called the "Balanced Cut", ie a cut that will more or less be the same movie, but with some of the more objectively bad stuff cut out to make a passable BALANCED film. My hope is to at least make it 2 hours or 1 and a half hours at the bare minimum.
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Post by mybudgee on Sept 17, 2018 18:18:07 GMT
Well, for me personally it wouldn't work. You'd have to cut way too much, and it wouldn't leave you with anything coherent. It's one thing when you have an issue with the handling of a specific scene or two, but quite another when you think that the entire thing was (for the most part) bad. My hope is to at least make it 2 hours or 1 and a half hours at the bare minimum. Try about 25 minutes...
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Post by Iakus on Sept 17, 2018 18:30:19 GMT
Okay, for some experimental reasons, I want to ask: What do you guys think are truly the most hated parts of the Last Jedi?You asked for it; - The entire ridiculous opening sequence with the "your momma" jokes & Hux falling on his face - The scene when Finn meets Rose. I know millennials think it's charming or some shit but to most reasonable people it is cringe after cringe - Porgs - Snoke yelling at Ben/Kylo (almost a good scene, but it needed to focus more on Snoke & his motives) - Every single scene with Holdo was insulting to the audience's intellect (except the idiot children who enjoy being spoonfed Tumblr feminism) - The cheap & lazily written exposition scene with Maz. Garbage - The entire Canto Bight scene was a cinematic abortion. Especially the political & PETA stuff. Talk about paying to be patronized... Wow - Rose & Finn's "Execution" was very juvenile & disappointing - The entire "slow-chase" plot device was awful. Just dogshit - Reylo. Twilight in space but without the character development & clever writing - The fight with the Praetorians & Snoke's death. He is a super-powerful dark side wizard, but killed by a Criss Angel sleight-of-hand?! Are you fucking kidding me??? *gags on bile* - The idiotic flashbacks of Luke standing over Ben with his saber ignited. Perfect example of this script needing another writer... - The entire "giant gun/Rose is a hero and has a blood-curdlingly stupid line about "saving what we love", What in the actual fuck?! - The shitty, flat & anti-climactic ending (For the record 95% of the Luke & Leia stuff was okay with me) The really sad thing is: I would have been willing to forgive most of that if they'd just done Luke justice. YOU HAD ONE JOB, DISNEY!!!!
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Post by Iakus on Sept 17, 2018 18:32:49 GMT
I want to try and make what I'm calling a "Balanced Cut," which basically edits out the more objectively bad stuff and try to trim elements to create what I hope is a better viewing experience that doesn't sacrifice the original intentions. Well, for me personally it wouldn't work. You'd have to cut way too much, and it wouldn't leave you with anything coherent. It's one thing when you have an issue with the handling of a specific scene or two, but quite another when you think that the entire thing was (for the most part) bad. Done!
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 17, 2018 18:41:48 GMT
Well, wish me luck, because sooner or later, I'm going to get to work on the "Balanced Cut" of The Last Jedi. It might have to be after I finished the Da Vinci Code Trimmed Edition (For those who are wondering: The Da Vinci Code movie I remember watching was one of those films that somehow gave the impression it was padding the story and rushing the story at the same time. As an adaptation, there should have been a lot more scenes cut to keep the pacing and overall narrative flow better properly.)
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Post by Iakus on Sept 18, 2018 15:43:29 GMT
I think we found the MacGuffin for Episode IX!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 21:40:32 GMT
I think we found the MacGuffin for Episode IX!
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 18, 2018 22:21:00 GMT
I think we found the MacGuffin for Episode IX! Where exactly did you get this from? Because I'm seriously doubting its legitimacy
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Post by Iakus on Sept 18, 2018 22:38:23 GMT
I think we found the MacGuffin for Episode IX! Where exactly did you get this from? Because I'm seriously doubting its legitimacy It is fake. But still funny. To some...
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 18, 2018 23:47:02 GMT
Where exactly did you get this from? Because I'm seriously doubting its legitimacy It is fake. But still funny. To some... If you aren't a stick in the mud new series fanboy
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 18, 2018 23:49:24 GMT
If you aren't a stick in the mud new series fanboy I'm not a stick in the mud, I'm just aware that sometimes people on the internet take images like that way too seriously. And I'm a fanboy of the new series. So what?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 0:01:33 GMT
Where exactly did you get this from? Because I'm seriously doubting its legitimacy It is fake. But still funny. To some... The really sad part is, is that Disney might just come up with something like it anyway....
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 19, 2018 13:07:41 GMT
If you aren't a stick in the mud new series fanboy And I'm a fanboy of the new series. So what? It says nothing great about your sense of taste for one.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 19, 2018 14:06:49 GMT
I think we found the MacGuffin for Episode IX! Where exactly did you get this from? Because I'm seriously doubting its legitimacy It's a secret leak. 100% authentic. I think the planet in background is too large, but they said it was just for artistic reason and in the movie it'd be bigger and more powerful just like we are used to see it.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 19, 2018 14:35:58 GMT
It says nothing great about your sense of taste for one. Then how come whenever I give my rankings of the best Star Wars movies, Empire Strikes Back is number one, while Force Awakens lies at number 2 and Last Jedi is number 6?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 19, 2018 14:44:31 GMT
Then how come whenever I give my rankings of the best Star Wars movies, Empire Strikes Back is number one, while Force Awakens lies at number 2 and Last Jedi is number 6? Regardless, I wouldn't call myself a fanboy. While the new movies definitely have good things in them (in my opinion), there's no way I would consider them superior to the original Star Wars movie. I always look forward to the next Star Wars movie because I like to see what new ideas they can come up with (whether they work or not is up to debate).
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 19, 2018 14:59:44 GMT
Did you just quote yourself?
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Post by Radec on Sept 19, 2018 15:00:44 GMT
Well, wish me luck, because sooner or later, I'm going to get to work on the "Balanced Cut" of The Last Jedi. It might have to be after I finished the Da Vinci Code Trimmed Edition (For those who are wondering: The Da Vinci Code movie I remember watching was one of those films that somehow gave the impression it was padding the story and rushing the story at the same time. As an adaptation, there should have been a lot more scenes cut to keep the pacing and overall narrative flow better properly.) Delete the entire retarded/ultimately irrelevant casino planet subplot, and cliffhanger end the movie right at the point after Gollum dies and discount Jacen asks discount Jaina to join him. It doesn't fix all the cringy out of place humour, retarded command decisions, pointlessly shoehorned in non-characters (purple hair and Rose Tico) and other nonsense, but it also leaves room for the possibility of a deconstruction of the Light/Dark side dichotomy, as well as for the possibility of redeeming Jake Skywalker in the next film instead of killing him off in the most contrived fashion possible Turns a near prequel-bad film into a mediocre one and provides a hook to drive interest for the next. Of course, the film as is has already ruined the timeline, so it's sort of pointless.
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Post by mybudgee on Sept 19, 2018 16:29:27 GMT
Did you just quote yourself? ._. Yes, because that is the low that we've collectively reached in this thread
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