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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 1:35:41 GMT
I just find it amusing that the person is rping Deadpool. Not most straight or even anti-feminist character around. I'm aware and glad you enjoy the irony. Please continue to do so and watch me while I troll some more. But I do have to wonder if anyone caught the greatest irony of all, yet? Here's a hint: Have you seen Deadpool's face without his mask on? He doesn't actually look like Ryan Reynolds. And yet here I am posting in a thread about physical attractiveness. 'Nuff said.
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Post by dalinne on Dec 6, 2016 2:01:52 GMT
I just find it amusing that the person is rping Deadpool. Not most straight or even anti-feminist character around. ![](http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/05/768x760/gallery-1454518719-deadpool-flirts-with-thor.jpg) But it was a part of a plan... of course...
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Post by Panda on Dec 6, 2016 2:03:37 GMT
I just find it amusing that the person is rping Deadpool. Not most straight or even anti-feminist character around. I'm aware and glad you enjoy the irony. Please continue to do so and watch me while I troll some more. But I do have to wonder if anyone caught the greatest irony of all, yet? Here's a hint: Have you seen Deadpool's face without his mask on? He doesn't actually look like Ryan Reynolds. And yet here I am posting in a thread about physical attractiveness. 'Nuff said. Hmm, wasn't expecting that. You got me, lol. ^^;
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You're right. It's about language and control, and we're not buying it. Using paper bags for grocery shopping is bad, so plastic bags are good. But now plastic bags are bad, so back to paper bags again. And then it's global cooling, then it's global warming, then it's climate change, then it's back to global warming. Now we've got at least one poster acting like people didn't and currently don't call each other "gay" or the f-word as an insult, which has caused fights and hospital trips, at least here in America. See how this works? It's about language and control, but really it shows bias and manipulation of facts. You simply can't deny history or try to change it. So, they're not going to change the world because the rest of us aren't buying it. Bioware can make its females as ugly as it wants in order to fight the patriarchy and all that political nonsense, but they're just going to lose and not change anyone's minds. Is your mind changed? No. Neither is mine. And our opponents continue to believe what they believe, too. But the truth is still objective, facts don't care about your feelings, and moral relativism is doomed. And if anyone doesn't think Sara and Peebee and Vetra and Sloane Kelly are a drop in attractiveness from ME 3's crew, then so be it. If they want to deny that SJW politics are behind Bioware's decisions as to female character models, then that's okay, too. Not fooling us. Sara looking at least initially eerily like Anita Sarkeesian certainly hasn't helped the apologists' cause. Or Manveer Heir. Or Sam Maggs. Our minds aren't changing, and neither are theirs. So guess we're all just going to have to keep fighting each other until the end. Still I have faith that there are some reasonable folks still working at Bioware who know what guys like in general, as opposed to girls who think they can speak for hetero guys, or any other hipster who's a self-proclaimed feminist, and here's hoping that Cora is the one we're looking for. I have a question. If it turns out that Sara's model isn't final and she'll look much better, that Cora is beautiful as well as the other possible romances in the crew or in the planets, will you still think that SJW policies were behind MEA's develpment? Also, if you Believe so, can you explain why Cora's armour has an emphasis on her ass? Wouldn't that be something SJW be against? If the heads are against it, it's clear this stuff won't be in the game. Same goes for leaving the navel of Peebee uncovered. I honestly don't get the point on Vetra though. I mean, she's a turian. There's not much they can do to make her attractive in the more human. Does that mean we shouldn't have female turians in the team? I mean, we had two krogans companions in the trilogy and one in Andromeda. It's pretty clear I like krogans, but I can't deny they're far from being attractive and they take up a spot in the squad that it might go for more good looking male characters for woman and gay man. I don't think anyone ever complained about that. If there are enough beautiful women to romance, what's the problem with having a female turian? I also don't get the point of considering Sloan Kelly as part of the crew. I mean, her role might be as big as Chakwas for all as know, and she wasn't really attractive. Should we make a list of all the minor npcs in the trilogy and see how many of them weren't attractive? I understand being concerned, but I think you might be jumping the gun too soon on this. If it turns out Sara is put on the same attractive scale as Scott and has the same level of attractive love interests as Scott, as opposed to better options than him, I think my heart just might grow three sizes...larger. As to Cora, I've said it several times, all my hopes are on her as the space babe I've been looking for all Scott's life. If she's intentionally malformed in order to further confront the patriarchy, I might be at a crossroads I never envisioned: boycotting this game. No way I'd stand for having ZERO attractive squadmates to have and to hold, and I refuse to let Bioware punk me like they punked the romanceless FemSheps in ME3 who had to give it up to Javik. As to Sloane Kelly, I need to add more weight to my argument, so I add her in the list to make it a better debate with more clash. But c'mon. She's going to be the new Aria, right? She'll be one of the NPC characters who's romanceable. I'd go to Vegas with that bet. Long story short, if you request that should Bioware deliver with Cora and perhaps even Sara that I return to this thread and beg for forgiveness from everyone and heap all the praise on whatever Biotic gods may be, then I will be happy to do so. You heard it hear first on Battle Ti-- nevermind.
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*sigh* dalinne, you must surely tell your boyfriend every day how lucky he is.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2016 2:12:36 GMT
I have a question. If it turns out that Sara's model isn't final and she'll look much better, that Cora is beautiful as well as the other possible romances in the crew or in the planets, will you still think that SJW policies were behind MEA's develpment? Also, if you Believe so, can you explain why Cora's armour has an emphasis on her ass? Wouldn't that be something SJW be against? If the heads are against it, it's clear this stuff won't be in the game. Same goes for leaving the navel of Peebee uncovered. I honestly don't get the point on Vetra though. I mean, she's a turian. There's not much they can do to make her attractive in the more human. Does that mean we shouldn't have female turians in the team? I mean, we had two krogans companions in the trilogy and one in Andromeda. It's pretty clear I like krogans, but I can't deny they're far from being attractive and they take up a spot in the squad that it might go for more good looking male characters for woman and gay man. I don't think anyone ever complained about that. If there are enough beautiful women to romance, what's the problem with having a female turian? I also don't get the point of considering Sloan Kelly as part of the crew. I mean, her role might be as big as Chakwas for all as know, and she wasn't really attractive. Should we make a list of all the minor npcs in the trilogy and see how many of them weren't attractive? I understand being concerned, but I think you might be jumping the gun too soon on this. If it turns out Sara is put on the same attractive scale as Scott and has the same level of attractive love interests as Scott, as opposed to better options than him, I think my heart just might grow three sizes...larger. As to Cora, I've said it several times, all my hopes are on her as the space babe I've been looking for all Scott's life. If she's intentionally malformed in order to further confront the patriarchy, I might be at a crossroads I never envisioned: boycotting this game. No way I'd stand for having ZERO attractive squadmates to have and to hold, and I refuse to let Bioware punk me like they punked the romanceless FemSheps in ME3 who had to give it up to Javik. As to Sloane Kelly, I need to add more weight to my argument, so I add her in the list to make it a better debate with more clash. But c'mon. She's going to be the new Aria, right? She'll be one of the NPC characters who's romanceable. I'd go to Vegas with that bet. Long story short, if you request that should Bioware deliver with Cora and perhaps even Sara that I return to this thread and beg for forgiveness from everyone and heap all the praise on whatever Biotic gods may be, then I will be happy to do so. You heard it hear first on Battle Ti-- nevermind. I don't think she'll be the new Aria. I think people are exaggerating on the role of this character. But we'll see. I don't really want you to do that. It's fine if your opinion on Bioware is negative. I just think we know little on characters and things aren't final yet in terms of details and animation for fully judge. That's all.
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Post by dalinne on Dec 6, 2016 2:16:02 GMT
![](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QEFFasPfJJg/VNYXZQ48AiI/AAAAAAAAB8U/KlkrnSIgR7U/s1600/One-Does-Not-Simply%2BPolosan%2B2.jpg) And here this one was hoping Spiderman wouldn't address her again Back to the topic: Aria wasn't a romanceable character. If Sloane Kelly is the New Aria, then we don't have a precedent for a romanceable No-Aria
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 2:25:32 GMT
![](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QEFFasPfJJg/VNYXZQ48AiI/AAAAAAAAB8U/KlkrnSIgR7U/s1600/One-Does-Not-Simply%2BPolosan%2B2.jpg) And here this one was hoping Spiderman wouldn't address her again Back to the topic: Aria wasn't a romanceable character. If Sloane Kelly is the New Aria, then we don't have a precedent for a romanceable No-Aria I forgive you for you know not what you do. And Aria's kiss made her romanceable in some people's book, just as Samara was romanceable for the same reason in some people's book. Just sayin'. But shouldn't we be talking about butterfaces? Let's get back to that, woman who thinks she's qualified to speak on behalf of hetero men without all the fallout that would occur in the opposite scenario.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2016 2:29:41 GMT
Maybe for women (I don't think so in either case) but certainly not for male Shepard. The scene makes pretty clear she doesn't like him in that sense. With Samara you actually start a romance in Citadel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 2:37:57 GMT
If it turns out Sara is put on the same attractive scale as Scott and has the same level of attractive love interests as Scott, as opposed to better options than him, I think my heart just might grow three sizes...larger. As to Cora, I've said it several times, all my hopes are on her as the space babe I've been looking for all Scott's life. If she's intentionally malformed in order to further confront the patriarchy, I might be at a crossroads I never envisioned: boycotting this game. No way I'd stand for having ZERO attractive squadmates to have and to hold, and I refuse to let Bioware punk me like they punked the romanceless FemSheps in ME3 who had to give it up to Javik. As to Sloane Kelly, I need to add more weight to my argument, so I add her in the list to make it a better debate with more clash. But c'mon. She's going to be the new Aria, right? She'll be one of the NPC characters who's romanceable. I'd go to Vegas with that bet. Long story short, if you request that should Bioware deliver with Cora and perhaps even Sara that I return to this thread and beg for forgiveness from everyone and heap all the praise on whatever Biotic gods may be, then I will be happy to do so. You heard it hear first on Battle Ti-- nevermind. I don't think she'll be the new Aria. I think people are exaggerating on the role of this character. But we'll see. I don't really want you to do that. It's fine if your opinion on Bioware is negative. I just think we know little on characters and things aren't final yet in terms of details and animation for fully judge. That's all. You don't think so? Well, then, welcome to my world, the world of speculation. Yet we debate anyway, don't we? I say yes, you say no, and around and around we go. My opinion on Bioware isn't exactly negative. For instance, I'm one of the few defenders of Mass Effect 3 (we still exist) to the end who think it's the greatest game of all time, with the Red ending, that is, heh. I took on all the haters, and I'm not even a hipster. I just loved the game and the entire trilogy. Yeah, I hate what they did to Ashley's face (staying on topic, slightly), but I still had Miranda. Anyway, I'm prepared to take a hardline attitude toward Bioware if they end up attacking hetero men on behalf of all SJW's. I'm hoping they don't let me down, and I know that there are other guys who feel the same way. We just don't like politics in video games. Have you seen what politics has done to the NFL by design? I can't even begin to imagine how some of those fans feel, and they've been die hard fans for decades, some of them. I mean, that's been their frackin' life! And to see what it's become and to have that drive them away. I know my complaints are small potatoes compared to theirs, but I empathize.
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I don't think she'll be the new Aria. I think people are exaggerating on the role of this character. But we'll see. I don't really want you to do that. It's fine if your opinion on Bioware is negative. I just think we know little on characters and things aren't final yet in terms of details and animation for fully judge. That's all. You don't think so? Well, then, welcome to my world, the world of speculation. Yet we debate anyway, don't we? I say yes, you say no, and around and around we go. My opinion on Bioware isn't exactly negative. For instance, I'm one of the few defenders of Mass Effect 3 (we still exist) to the end who think it's the greatest game of all time, with the Red ending, that is, heh. I took on all the haters, and I'm not even a hipster. I just loved the game and the entire trilogy. Yeah, I hate what they did to Ashley's face (staying on topic, slightly), but I still had Miranda. Anyway, I'm prepared to take a hardline attitude toward Bioware if they end up attacking hetero men on behalf of all SJW's. I'm hoping they don't let me down, and I know that there are other guys who feel the same way. We just don't like politics in video games. Have you seen what politics has done to the NFL by design? I can't even begin to imagine how some of those fans feel, and they've been die hard fans for decades, some of them. I mean, that's been their frackin' life! And to see what it's become and to have that drive them away. I know my complaints are small potatoes compared to theirs, but I empathize. Well, politics in games aren't the problem - if they are part of the story, mind you. Identity politics however... sorry, people should be defined by who they are, not what they are, fictional or otherwise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 6, 2016 2:53:58 GMT
As to Cora, I've said it several times, all my hopes are on her as the space babe I've been looking for all Scott's life. If she's intentionally malformed in order to further confront the patriarchy, I might be at a crossroads I never envisioned: boycotting this game. No way I'd stand for having ZERO attractive squadmates to have and to hold, and I refuse to let Bioware punk me like they punked the romanceless FemSheps in ME3 who had to give it up to Javik. Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be 'malformed'? I do agree with you that what they did with a single femShep in ME3 Citadel DLC wasn't right. I think Bioware knows that now though. Luckily you can avoid that if you do the tamer party.
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As to Cora, I've said it several times, all my hopes are on her as the space babe I've been looking for all Scott's life. If she's intentionally malformed in order to further confront the patriarchy, I might be at a crossroads I never envisioned: boycotting this game. No way I'd stand for having ZERO attractive squadmates to have and to hold, and I refuse to let Bioware punk me like they punked the romanceless FemSheps in ME3 who had to give it up to Javik. Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be 'malformed'? I do agree with you that what they did with a single femShep in ME3 Citadel DLC wasn't right. I think Bioware knows that now though. Luckily you can avoid that if you do the tamer party. Oh, I don't have anyone in mind as "malformed" (except at least a couple of hilarious YouTube videos of Shepards who were made to look ridiculous for effect). I was using a loaded word in order to convey that Bioware is the sculptor and has the power to make a character look worse, or better. I just don't like the idea of them going Edward Norton in Fight Club and destroying something that could easily and otherwise be beautiful. It's not like Bioware is auditioning for actors and having to balance appearance with acting ability; they're able to create whatever they want characters to look like, isolated from whatever their voice actors look like (no comment on and no offense to any voice actors, of whom I have none in mind).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 4:54:43 GMT
Well, you know... long hair was an indicator of nobility in the Middle Ages so men from the aristocracy had long hair. Same with Ancient Spartans. Romans were against it but then in the II century AD you have Marcus Aurelius and his long hair... About women: in the 20s short hair was fashionable, in Ancient Egypt all wealthy people tend to wore wigs the same as pre revolutionary France... When you call it "biology" I only see how cultural contexts, space and time determines the attractive traits of each gender. DevianArt, Tumblr, Ao3, FF.net, google images... those are my evidence, where are yours? Actually, self-criticism is very a healthy approach for any social or political movement. In fact, without self-criticism, feminism wouldn't have opened about the struggles of LGTB, women of colour, etc.g However, I was referring about this especific kind of: Those feminist of the former century were nuts! WANTING TO VOTE! Women went too far Meh, they did open up to minorities just long enough to garner their support... ask gay men how they feel about mainstream feminism now, after they fall off the progressive stack. ...and yes, the suffragettes where crazy... also racist and classist, but that's neither here nor there. *shrugs* I don't need any evidence, I didn't make the claim that fan-art mostly centers around attractive female characters, because I'm aware that the majority of fan content still comes from girls/woman. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) Guys do modding, and that very much centers around attractive female characters, though. ...and again, it's culture vs. biology. The answer, of course, lies somewhere in the middle. In the interests of accuracy, Since it has been so long that you guys likely don't really remember that era, historically, the first serious character-centric modules to appear for A BioWare game were both made by males, Wes Weimer and Jason Compton. First was a bisexual male character, a drow named Solaufein, and second was another male character, romanced by females, Kelsey. In the BG modding scenes, female moders were not under-represented, and both gender moders worked on both male and female characters, with or without romantic content, attractive and not. It was cooperative, sometimes competitive, and quite a bit of fun. which is not to say that the notion that female gamers somehow really want to play ugly female characters or saddle the male pc with ugly love interests is not quite absurd. If there is a conspiracy, I did not get the memo. In SWTOR, female companions had tons of really beautiful customizations, while the males had fewer and most of them were not handsome. Was there an inner male cabal in SWTOR because of it? Honestly....
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Post by Gaston on Dec 6, 2016 5:46:43 GMT
It's not so much that the women are ugly, it's just that BioWare fucking sucks at rigging, skinning and animating faces. Facial animations have always been terrible in BioWare games, it just has become more apparent now that technology is progressing and the graphics are getting more realistic, the terrible animations stick out more like a sore thumb. That's what makes the characters look ugly.
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Brevbro is right. They need to design more attractive wimminz for us who rely on BioWare games for our romantic lives. Please devs, if you're seeing this, I have the perfect prototype of the next pixel woman I wanna date.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 6, 2016 6:35:58 GMT
These faces are so ugly. It makes me not want to play the game. Why do the SJW's have to ruin games like this? ![mass effect andromeda ugly](http://i.imgur.com/yy3ILPE.jpg) ![](http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc397/almostfaceman/olaf_zpsq6blohov.gif)
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Post by readher on Dec 6, 2016 8:04:11 GMT
I don't see how Solas is of any relevancy here when we're talking about female LIs for straight males. You should also know that ROs for females have usually more "traffic" since they're much more likely to discuss them and fangirl over them than men who usually experiance romance in-game, MAYBE leave a comment or two on what how it was and what they think about it and leave it at that (with Tali being an exception for some reason, her threads were ridiculously large). As for asari, they're not human so it's hardly a fair comparison. I'd argue they would look stupid if they had any sort hair because of how different they are. And it's not just my opinion that majority of men don't like short hair. It's a fact. There's a reason why most young women wear their hair at least at chin length. It's what most males are attracted to. As for that anti-femminist narrative, don't you think that if it's been used for so long and successfully, if I might say so, that there might be at least some truth to it? Just a thought you should take. Solas example was a prove of what you said was inaccurate. Then you have changed your narrative and you told me we girl talk too much about love interests fangirling. Then you say Tali is an exception. I don't know what to say because it seems whatever I tell you, you will say I'm wrong because it doesn't adjust of what you expected. I think you are the first person who says the Asari are too different to be mistaken for a human. Now I'm impressed. By the way, Jack was another interesting love interest. She was beautiful and bald. And when I say beautiful, I refer to all her precious face. Yeah, of course! Anti-femminist narrative it's been used for so long because it's right! As slavery! As murder! As Oppression? As MagevsTemplars! Solas example was meant to prove that my proof is inaccurate? We're in a thread about women being ugly in games. I make an argument that the most discussed women and the ones with most fan content are always attractive and your counter-argument is fucking Solas thread. That's like being in a discussion about trucks not being discussed much and saying "Not true!!! Look at this Supra thread!!!". It's completely irrelevant to this discussion. And the part about fangirling is simply true. As was said before, it's usually women that make fanart of their LIs and also, as I mentioned before, tend to discuss them more. If you can't accept facts then you're delusional. And yes, I made Tali an exception because she is one. If you have ~30 LIs from various games and all of their discussions aren't matching Tali's then she's clearly something unusual and hence an exception. I have certain suspicions on why she's so popular but I'm afraid I won't be able to share them since they would probably get many people angry. Least to say it has to do with sociology and a very popular (and unhealthy) mentality of many young men and boys nowdays. And of course you're jumping to extremes again, trying to be funny, attempting to ridicule me indirectly. It won't work though, rest assured. I just said to just give it a thought and that there might be some truth in it. As for your examples, they all had their reasons for happening. Usually mostly invalid, but there was always at least a bit of truth to them, especially if you were willing to look from a broader point of view, of which you're clearly uncapable judging by your reactions to my posts.
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Post by dalinne on Dec 6, 2016 8:55:00 GMT
![](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QEFFasPfJJg/VNYXZQ48AiI/AAAAAAAAB8U/KlkrnSIgR7U/s1600/One-Does-Not-Simply%2BPolosan%2B2.jpg) And here this one was hoping Spiderman wouldn't address her again Back to the topic: Aria wasn't a romanceable character. If Sloane Kelly is the New Aria, then we don't have a precedent for a romanceable No-Aria I forgive you for you know not what you do. And Aria's kiss made her romanceable in some people's book, just as Samara was romanceable for the same reason in some people's book. Just sayin'. But shouldn't we be talking about butterfaces? Let's get back to that, woman who thinks she's qualified to speak on behalf of hetero men without all the fallout that would occur in the opposite scenario. Thanks, Jesus. In Aria regard, if you consider a kiss she gives you in a moment with no consequences whatsover a romance, well... I... don't know how to tell you but... that is not a romance. That's barely a nod to the players. Samara has special romance content in Citadel DLC and its roots comes from ME2 rejecting romance. It's well established as a romance option in ME3 (even when some people don't think so if you don't obtain a trophy for that). Aria is just a kiss and the kiss is simply not mentioned again. I'm so qualified to speak on behalf of hetero men the same way you are so qualified to speak on behalf of Deadpool (he is funny Goddamit!! TRY TO BE FUNNY! I DARE YOU! COME ON! I BELIEVE IN YOU SON!!!)
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 6, 2016 10:34:22 GMT
Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be 'malformed'? I do agree with you that what they did with a single femShep in ME3 Citadel DLC wasn't right. I think Bioware knows that now though. Luckily you can avoid that if you do the tamer party. they're able to create whatever they want characters to look like, isolated from whatever their voice actors look like (no comment on and no offense to any voice actors, of whom I have none in mind). Your disclaimer was so long that I've almost thought that you did have someone in mind.
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Post by nedstarkshead on Dec 6, 2016 12:06:50 GMT
This is a joke thread... right?
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 6, 2016 12:11:34 GMT
This is a joke thread... right? It would be easy to reach that conclusion ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) . However, one person's comedy is another person's enthusiastic conviction.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 6, 2016 12:12:54 GMT
This is a joke thread... right? It would be easy to reach that conclusion ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) . Wait, it isn't? As they say, there is a piece of truth in every joke...
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 6, 2016 12:13:02 GMT
This is a joke thread... right? How dare you say that about OP!? He is really serious, just look at all he post he has made in the thread........ It is evident that he is dead serious.
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