'Ugly characters?' thread

You're right. It's about language and control, and we're not buying it. Using paper bags for grocery shopping is bad, so plastic bags are good. But now plastic bags are bad, so back to paper bags again. And then it's global cooling, then it's global warming, then it's climate change, then it's back to global warming. Now we've got at least one poster acting like people didn't and currently don't call each other "gay" or the f-word as an insult, which has caused fights and hospital trips, at least here in America.  See how this works? It's about language and control, but really it shows bias and manipulation of facts. You simply can't deny history or try to change it.  So, they're not going to change the world because the rest of us aren't buying it.  

Bioware can make its females as ugly as it wants in order to fight the patriarchy and all that political nonsense, but they're just going to lose and not change anyone's minds. Is your mind changed? No. Neither is mine. And our opponents continue to believe what they believe, too.  But the truth is still objective, facts don't care about your feelings, and moral relativism is doomed. And if anyone doesn't think Sara and Peebee and Vetra and Sloane Kelly are a drop in attractiveness from ME 3's crew, then so be it.   If they want to deny that SJW politics are behind Bioware's decisions as to female character models, then that's okay, too. Not fooling us.  Sara looking at least initially eerily like Anita Sarkeesian certainly hasn't helped the apologists' cause. Or Manveer Heir.  Or Sam Maggs.  Our minds aren't changing, and neither are theirs.  So guess we're all just going to have to keep fighting each other until the end.

Still I have faith that there are some reasonable folks still working at Bioware who know what guys like in general, as opposed to girls who think they can speak for hetero guys, or any other hipster who's a self-proclaimed feminist, and here's hoping that Cora is the one we're looking for.

I have a question. If it turns out that Sara's model isn't final and she'll look much better, that Cora is beautiful as well as the other possible romances in the crew or in the planets, will you still think that SJW policies were behind MEA's develpment?
Also, if you Believe so, can you explain why Cora's armour has an emphasis on her ass? Wouldn't that be something SJW be against? If the heads are against it, it's clear this stuff won't be in the game. Same goes for leaving the navel of Peebee uncovered. 

I honestly don't get the point on Vetra though. I mean, she's a turian. There's not much they can do to make her attractive in the more human. Does that mean we shouldn't have female turians in the team? I mean, we had two krogans companions in the trilogy and one in Andromeda. It's pretty clear I like krogans, but I can't deny they're far from being attractive and they take up a spot in the squad that it might go for more good looking male characters for woman and gay man. I don't think anyone ever complained about that. If there are enough beautiful women to romance, what's the problem with having a female turian?

I also don't get the point of considering Sloan Kelly as part of the crew. I mean, her role might be as big as Chakwas for all as know, and she wasn't really attractive. Should we make a list of all the minor npcs in the trilogy and see how many of them weren't attractive? 

I understand being concerned, but I think you might be jumping the gun too soon on this. 

If it turns out Sara is put on the same attractive scale as Scott and has the same level of attractive love interests as Scott, as opposed to better options than him, I think my heart just might grow three sizes...larger.

As to Cora, I've said it several times, all my hopes are on her as the space babe I've been looking for all Scott's life.  If she's intentionally malformed in order to further confront the patriarchy, I might be at a crossroads I never envisioned: boycotting this game.  No way I'd stand for having ZERO attractive squadmates to have and to hold, and I refuse to let Bioware punk me like they punked the romanceless FemSheps in ME3 who had to give it up to Javik.  

As to Sloane Kelly, I need to add more weight to my argument, so I add her in the list to make it a better debate with more clash.  But c'mon.  She's going to be the new Aria, right?  She'll be one of the NPC characters who's romanceable.  I'd go to Vegas with that bet.

Long story short, if you request that should Bioware deliver with Cora and perhaps even Sara that I return to this thread and beg for forgiveness from everyone and heap all the praise on whatever Biotic gods may be, then I will be happy to do so.  You heard it hear first on Battle Ti-- nevermind.

Well, you know... long hair was an indicator of nobility in the Middle Ages so men from the aristocracy had long hair. Same with Ancient Spartans. Romans were against it but then in the II century AD you have Marcus Aurelius and his long hair... About women: in the 20s short hair was fashionable, in Ancient Egypt all wealthy people tend to wore wigs the same as pre revolutionary France... When you call it "biology" I only see how cultural contexts, space and time determines the attractive traits of each gender.

DevianArt, Tumblr, Ao3, FF.net, google images... those are my evidence, where are yours?  

Actually, self-criticism is very a healthy approach for any social or political movement. In fact, without self-criticism, feminism wouldn't have opened about the struggles of LGTB, women of colour, etc.g
However, I was referring about this especific kind of:

Those feminist of the former century were nuts! WANTING TO VOTE! Women went too far 

And here this one was hoping Spiderman wouldn't address her again
 

Back to the topic: Aria wasn't a romanceable character. If Sloane Kelly is the New Aria, then we don't have a precedent for a romanceable No-Aria 

This is a joke thread... right?