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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Sept 27, 2018 8:50:58 GMT
Nights before are cool, but I always thought that maybe it might be better if they were a bonus to whatever else happens outside the "designated romance spot". I prefer the independent way DA or MEA are doing it (ME3 with the Citadel is fine too, though)  I canonically have a bit of a night-before thing in the romance progression, as I always like to do the date and then immediately High noon. I like the idea Reyes went to the party, stole the whiskey and chatted away with Ryder, and then immediately got the plan going (or even was in the process of setting it up all the time). Actually, though, a real, final mission night-before thing with Reyes would probably have him sneaking aboard of the Tempest or something else that would make for quite a scene. He has that night-before adventure flair...
Yeah, Reyes s shamefully ignored after High noon is over. He doesn't even have a proper cutscene in the epilogue... I wonder if he was originally intended just as a fling but somehow ened half-way. I loved having a romance with a plot important character rather then a crewman, if it got more content, it would shine among all BW romances for sure.
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Post by Artemis on Sept 28, 2018 0:01:51 GMT
Nights before are cool, but I always thought that maybe it might be better if they were a bonus to whatever else happens outside the "designated romance spot". I prefer the independent way DA or MEA are doing it (ME3 with the Citadel is fine too, though) I canonically have a bit of a night-before thing in the romance progression, as I always like to do the date and then immediately High noon. I like the idea Reyes went to the party, stole the whiskey and chatted away with Ryder, and then immediately got the plan going (or even was in the process of setting it up all the time). Actually, though, a real, final mission night-before thing with Reyes would probably have him sneaking aboard of the Tempest or something else that would make for quite a scene. He has that night-before adventure flair... Yeah, Reyes s shamefully ignored after High noon is over. He doesn't even have a proper cutscene in the epilogue... I wonder if he was originally intended just as a fling but somehow ened half-way. I loved having a romance with a plot important character rather then a crewman, if it got more content, it would shine among all BW romances for sure.
You are so right. I really think it is an EXCELLENT example of a plot-important non-companion romance. Obviously what makes it fall short is the way the content is all crammed together (you have to meta to draw it out, as you often have no reason to leave Kadara or ignore Reye's vid call or Sloan's email). If it were more drawn out, and if Reyes continued to contact you throughout the game (even if just via email), if more characters commented on it, and if there were a better end scene with him, it would be, imo, 100% perfect in terms of a great bioWare romance. That's a lot of "if, if, if..." I know, but the base work is there. It's sort of like, "what if Aria were romanceable in ME2?" level of good. The character is interesting, the s/he is super important, and the chemistry between them and the player character is awesome. Also, the Reyes romance is just damned adorable!! |
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Post by Artemis on Sept 29, 2018 19:29:58 GMT
About the shifty turian on Elaaden... I feel I remember the dialogue differently. I thought she KNEW Ryder was with Reyes, but apparently not. I really kind of cringed at Ryder's "sexy voice" when he said "Do I ever!" when she asked if he knew Reyes. Then her reply: "I'll pretend I didn't get the hint behind that one."
It just seems weird. Why does she not like the implication that we're a couple? I don't get it.
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Post by orchid on Sept 29, 2018 19:54:51 GMT
About the shifty turian on Elaaden... I feel I remember the dialogue differently. I thought she KNEW Ryder was with Reyes, but apparently not. I really kind of cringed at Ryder's "sexy voice" when he said "Do I ever!" when she asked if he knew Reyes. Then her reply: "I'll pretend I didn't get the hint behind that one." It just seems weird. Why does she not like the implication that we're a couple? I don't get it. I think they're both sort of joking there. It's not that she has anything against the idea, she's just going "that's enough information on that for me" when Ryder goes all hint-hint-nudge-nudge. Both seem to be good mood about it, sorta semi-bragging about a conquest but all humorous like. I don't remember how cringey it exactly was tho, I probably was just grateful for the romance being acknowledged.  On the earlier topics, I used to have great trouble keeping up interest in the game once the Reyes romance was concluded, even knowing that he makes appearances at the end. Hence drawing out the content seems a nice idea. It also gives a feel that Ryder and Reyes may be getting to know each other better over longer period of time, if you headcanon that more goes on than the exact events that you play through. However I also enjoyed finishing High Noon before going to Elaaden, since you can see some minor examples of the alliance bearing fruit in how the Collective gangers don’t shoot at you on Elaaden. There was a funny occurrence when I went to have a look at what they were doing and Ryder’s party members starting using the scavenging animations that the Collective people had going on. As for the Queen of Kadara comment, I honestly don’t remember that one. If it was in the same dialogue as the “baroness,” then Scott doesn’t have it either anymore since that entire dialogue with Vetra was switched to the generic one for him. Gahh... taking the more standoffish/professional responses with Ryder makes for a very tsun-tsun Ryder in this romance, especially at the party xD I have to agree on how fun the slightly antagonizing lines can be.  My favorite is the bar scene right before getting to Zia. Although I RP my Ryder as being insanely and stupidly smitten with Reyes, so its difficult to pick which few standoffish responses to pick. I loved having a romance with a plot important character rather then a crewman, i f it got more content, it would shine among all BW romances for sure.Blood you heretic it already does shine.  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 29, 2018 20:22:21 GMT
About the shifty turian on Elaaden... I feel I remember the dialogue differently. I thought she KNEW Ryder was with Reyes, but apparently not. I really kind of cringed at Ryder's "sexy voice" when he said "Do I ever!" when she asked if he knew Reyes. Then her reply: "I'll pretend I didn't get the hint behind that one." It just seems weird. Why does she not like the implication that we're a couple? I don't get it. I think she didn’t like the implication that you two are having sex, being like a “too much information” thing. Sort of like how many people don’t like thinking of family or friends doing it, even if they support the two as a couple. |
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Oct 1, 2018 17:07:47 GMT
You are so right. I really think it is an EXCELLENT example of a plot-important non-companion romance. Obviously what makes it fall short is the way the content is all crammed together (you have to meta to draw it out, as you often have no reason to leave Kadara or ignore Reye's vid call or Sloan's email). If it were more drawn out, and if Reyes continued to contact you throughout the game (even if just via email), if more characters commented on it, and if there were a better end scene with him, it would be, imo, 100% perfect in terms of a great bioWare romance. That's a lot of "if, if, if..." I know, but the base work is there. It's sort of like, "what if Aria were romanceable in ME2?" level of good. The character is interesting, the s/he is super important, and the chemistry between them and the player character is awesome. Also, the Reyes romance is just damned adorable!! I never minded the need to meta it that much, the events of any game are sort of crammed together in places, finding a proper time for everything is somehting I enjoy. And I can easily imagine the events of Kadara being stretched all over thge game, Reyes probably meant his 1000 cuts game to be pretty long term after all. I doubt he would have planned it for a week. But yeah, even if it may be be fitting if only select few knew about Reyes and Ryder's affair and so the comments on the topic are scarce, a little bit of Reyes giviig a damn about the rest of the affairs in the story would be appreciated. Or alternatively, more Kadara-specific Ryes content
Excellent point about Aria, too, she would have worked amazingly like that. It's similar as the MEA case, Shepard just keeps coming back. And she even lets their drunk ass lounge on her sofa and stuff... Also, if she were available, for the first time in my life I would be undecisive over my canon protag's LI. Blood you heretic it already does shine. Oh, don't get me wrong, sure it does shine bright and great. If something shines about the game, it's this whole Reyes thing. But I kind of meant the ultimate romance thing kind of shine. Not even Reyes's mighty high expressions in romance scene could make it less shiny if there was just a tiny bit more of Reyes I think they're both sort of joking there. It's not that she has anything against the idea, she's just going "that's enough information on that for me" when Ryder goes all hint-hint-nudge-nudge. Both seem to be good mood about it, sorta semi-bragging about a conquest but all humorous like. I don't remember how cringey it exactly was tho, I probably was just grateful for the romance being acknowledged. On the earlier topics, I used to have great trouble keeping up interest in the game once the Reyes romance was concluded, even knowing that he makes appearances at the end. Hence drawing out the content seems a nice idea. It also gives a feel that Ryder and Reyes may be getting to know each other better over longer period of time, if you headcanon that more goes on than the exact events that you play through. However I also enjoyed finishing High Noon before going to Elaaden, since you can see some minor examples of the alliance bearing fruit in how the Collective gangers don’t shoot at you on Elaaden. There was a funny occurrence when I went to have a look at what they were doing and Ryder’s party members starting using the scavenging animations that the Collective people had going on. I don't remember it being cringey, just as you said, too much info in a casual convo with a shifty Turian. Too bad we'll never see more of the shifty Turian. she seemed fun Btw, doesn't she also say Reyes has been laying low? Or is it just the Sloane-favorable outcome? That several times over. Thrilling as the flash romance option is, this actually makes way more sense, with Reyes being all practical and all that. And some scenes look way better with a longer acquitance too.
Haa, you mean how your teammates were initiating.. errr... diplomatic relations with the Collective? It was a commendable effort, though  Gahh... taking the more standoffish/professional responses with Ryder makes for a very tsun-tsun Ryder in this romance, especially at the party xD I have to agree on how fun the slightly antagonizing lines can be. My favorite is the bar scene right before getting to Zia. Although I RP my Ryder as being insanely and stupidly smitten with Reyes, so its difficult to pick which few standoffish responses to pick. Standoffish ftw I hope Ryder would have an option to keep that way to the very end, should MEA ever continue anywhere (purely hypothetically speaking at this point, of course) |
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Post by Shinobu on Oct 11, 2018 2:17:32 GMT
I recently found this song and it reminded me of Reyes' line, that he came to Andromeda "to be somebody," which led to this: Banners: Someone To You Scott/Reyes romance
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Post by pensieve on Nov 2, 2018 9:47:40 GMT
Something that doesn't have much to do with Andromeda, but I was watching Bodyguard last week and it amazed me how much Richard Madden looks like Reyes (and also that one preset for Scott Ryder...) Anyone else notice this or is it just me?  Spoiler because the picture is huge. |
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Post by Lady Artifice on Dec 24, 2018 0:26:43 GMT
I still really like Reyes. Still wish he had more content.
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Post by Rouccoco on Dec 26, 2018 18:44:00 GMT
 We could've had it aaaaalllll.... |
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Post by Rouccoco on Dec 26, 2018 18:53:13 GMT
Shame they didn't have almost any money to make moments like this |
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Post by starlord on Jan 18, 2019 6:29:14 GMT
I found this out and it’s interesting due to the implications of it. If someone else got it already- just tell me to shut up lmao
*read in Leliana’s voice for maximum effectiveness*
It turns out, on Efvra’s terminal, one of his subordinates says that none of the rogue Angara are interested in resistance work in Kadara, but a small unknown group is- and that they had a dossier for potentially deep undercover human and alien operatives.
There are two implications: Reyes was lying to Ryder about Efrva caring. Efrva potentially knew or at least had a good guess at who the Collective leader was. Conclusion: Reyes probably wanted to protect his sort of boss’s relationship with Ryder after the big fight between Efrva and the Moshae. It’s possible also that Reyes uses resistance contacts to get what he does/sends his operatives out to do resistance dirty work. Efrva was deliberately introducing you to the charlatan as a means of overthrowing Sloane Kelly.
This is backed up because he’s pissed at humans for taking over Kadara and further distancing the angara. Reyes, is at least, willing to cooperate- so Efrva throws Ryder to him and is like “impress them: we both can get a hand in Kadara port and make it better.” Which could explain to those who choose the outcasts, why Reyes kinda follows you in the beginning. He wants you to like him. The resistance wants you to like him.
Implication 2: it was a throwaway line. Nothing more.
***totally not encouraging someone to write an angst fic about Ryder finding this out****
Edit: I still love Reyes- would also be cool if someone wrote a fic of their romance with this in mind like Efrva being like: there’s only one rule: don’t fall in love.
And the minute he finds out that Reyes and Ryder made out in the closet, he just kinda upturns his desk and writes a strongly worded email.
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Post by starlord on Jan 19, 2019 1:45:57 GMT
^^^^^
Quick addition, because this is cool~
I think if you really factor in this potential aspect of The Collective, the implications about the Collective are... really something.
1.) Reyes is fucking ballsy and incredibly helpful to those he feels as though he wants to work with. Evfra didn’t come to the Collective, they came to him, proved that they could help each other, and forged a secret alliance.
What makes this so cool is the whole Ryder-ish aspect of it. Like, if you agree that this could be a thing, he, like Ryder, proved himself an asset and made moves to help the resistance get a better foothold in Kadara- as well as working with Keema to do so (I believe she says he listens to her???) I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kadara working closely with the Resistance, or at least, having better connections with them. Similar to how Ryder had to prove themselves on Voeld and Harvarl.
2.) In retrospect, I don’t think he was “lying” truly- that was a really wrong choice of words. I think Reyes is incredibly paranoid about leaving any sort of paper trial when it comes to the Charlatan working with Resistance members. Since Efvra seems to not really leave Aya, I don’t think he trusts Resistance members with his true identity, nor would he said any emails to Resistance HQ in the off chance others see it. I think they’re kinda buddies in the sense that they both work with large groups of people with subordinates and then their subordinates. I really like the concept of Reyes sending Efvra Milky Way battle tactics and weaponry, while Efvra does the same thing with supplies, jobs, and intel- he’s gathered through the other deep cover agents and through other planets. As mentioned earlier, if true, I love how this potential connection really exemplifies what the game attempts to hit you over the head with “cooperation and new perspectives= new ideas.”
This makes the next game really interesting as I could see this relationship- or at least- if it’s not canon and I look too deeply into things... I could totally see them starting to work together in a more serious way, and the complications that potentially could arise from it.
That... was a lot. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 19:22:52 GMT
starlord You've just peaked my interest in doing a serious romance with Reyes and reading more terminals in the future. This is fascinating stuff! For me, Reyes always seemed to have more potential and a deeper store that felt like it was cut out and forgotten. He's so intriguing and mysterious and yet seems to be genuine with Ryder despite everything. In fact, he doesn't even betray you. You choose to betray him.
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Post by nimiar on Jan 26, 2019 1:58:45 GMT
^^^^^ Quick addition, because this is cool~ I think if you really factor in this potential aspect of The Collective, the implications about the Collective are... really something. 1.) Reyes is fucking ballsy and incredibly helpful to those he feels as though he wants to work with. Evfra didn’t come to the Collective, they came to him, proved that they could help each other, and forged a secret alliance. What makes this so cool is the whole Ryder-ish aspect of it. Like, if you agree that this could be a thing, he, like Ryder, proved himself an asset and made moves to help the resistance get a better foothold in Kadara- as well as working with Keema to do so (I believe she says he listens to her???) I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kadara working closely with the Resistance, or at least, having better connections with them. Similar to how Ryder had to prove themselves on Voeld and Harvarl. 2.) In retrospect, I don’t think he was “lying” truly- that was a really wrong choice of words. I think Reyes is incredibly paranoid about leaving any sort of paper trial when it comes to the Charlatan working with Resistance members. Since Efvra seems to not really leave Aya, I don’t think he trusts Resistance members with his true identity, nor would he said any emails to Resistance HQ in the off chance others see it. I think they’re kinda buddies in the sense that they both work with large groups of people with subordinates and then their subordinates. I really like the concept of Reyes sending Efvra Milky Way battle tactics and weaponry, while Efvra does the same thing with supplies, jobs, and intel- he’s gathered through the other deep cover agents and through other planets. As mentioned earlier, if true, I love how this potential connection really exemplifies what the game attempts to hit you over the head with “cooperation and new perspectives= new ideas.” This makes the next game really interesting as I could see this relationship- or at least- if it’s not canon and I look too deeply into things... I could totally see them starting to work together in a more serious way, and the complications that potentially could arise from it. That... was a lot. LOL This is super cool. God I love Reyes. How I wish there was more of him... the long lost Reyes DLC /cry Thanks for sharing this idea though! I'm definitely mulling over fanfic ideas...
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Post by Adia on Dec 19, 2020 9:40:16 GMT
If he's not in NME I give up on it entirely. Sorry I don't make the rules
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 22, 2020 21:19:10 GMT
Awww, Reyes. He honestly was the one highlight of this game for me. His missions and flirts were good juju.
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Post by Rouccoco on Dec 30, 2020 15:22:12 GMT
I'm 3 years late, but now that I finally played it, I gotta say - the Reyes vs Sloane choice was probably one of the easiest in the franchise. I kept waiting for something to make the choice hard, but nope. The only thing I disliked about going "bye Sloane" is that Kaetus hates Ryder now. That's a bummer.
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My favorite is the bar scene right before getting to Zia. Although I RP my Ryder as being insanely and stupidly smitten with Reyes, so its difficult to pick which few standoffish responses to pick.
