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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 2, 2016 22:00:17 GMT
None of this is making sense lore-wise. 1st... Reapers. Why didn't they know about this massive project? Why didn't they sabotage it? Whole host of problems. 2nd... Seen this already mentioned... lore wise we didn't have the technology available to build any of this stuff. If we did, we simply would have run away from the Reapers. 3rd... Cerberus... why wouldn't they sabotage this project? It included all races, not just humans. 4th... this whole concept robs vasts amounts of drama from the previous Mass Effect series. "Hey! Turns out humanity wasn't really almost wiped out! Psyche!"
So yeah. Waiting to see if they explain how they get around these problems. It was already tough to swallow Cerberus with an army and the Reapers being kept in the dark about the Crucible.
Cohesive story-telling. It matters.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 22:09:43 GMT
None of this is making sense lore-wise. 1st... Reapers. Why didn't they know about this massive project? Why didn't they sabotage it? Whole host of problems. 2nd... Seen this already mentioned... lore wise we didn't have the technology available to build any of this stuff. If we did, we simply would have run away from the Reapers. 3rd... Cerberus... why wouldn't they sabotage this project? It included all races, not just humans. 4th... this whole concept robs vasts amounts of drama from the previous Mass Effect series. "Hey! Turns out humanity wasn't really almost wiped out! Psyche!" So yeah. Waiting to see if they explain how they get around these problems. It was already tough to swallow Cerberus with an army and the Reapers being kept in the dark about the Crucible. Cohesive story-telling. It matters. . What would the Reapers do without an indoctrinated person? Sovereign is gone. The Ai launches before they arrive, they aren't capable of doing anything about it, they're barely functioning in Dark Space. Which technology...? What makes no sense is how people would ran away from them since most don't believe in the existence of Reapers, and you could barely populate the Arks and Nexus with the MW's population. I fail to see why Cerberus would want to sabotage this project, because you know, its success would mean a great accomplishment for a humanity and whatnot. Not mentioning its purpose of establishing a connection between MW and Andromeda. Ambitious enough.
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Post by sparkysparkyboomgirl on Dec 2, 2016 22:13:54 GMT
I see they show a hologram of a turian and female human hologram holding hands at the 1:54 mark. Curious why they have that. Most likely just to signify the end of the contact war...but they could have gone with a hand-shake like the other holograms we see in the background. Curious indeed...
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Post by saberchic on Dec 2, 2016 22:17:35 GMT
None of this is making sense lore-wise. 1st... Reapers. Why didn't they know about this massive project? Why didn't they sabotage it? Whole host of problems. 2nd... Seen this already mentioned... lore wise we didn't have the technology available to build any of this stuff. If we did, we simply would have run away from the Reapers. 3rd... Cerberus... why wouldn't they sabotage this project? It included all races, not just humans. 4th... this whole concept robs vasts amounts of drama from the previous Mass Effect series. "Hey! Turns out humanity wasn't really almost wiped out! Psyche!" So yeah. Waiting to see if they explain how they get around these problems. It was already tough to swallow Cerberus with an army and the Reapers being kept in the dark about the Crucible. Cohesive story-telling. It matters. 1) Why would they care? Their focus seems to be the Milky Way, and whose to say the reapers knew every single thing we did? The Crucible plans were still around even though they thought they were destroyed. They are not omniscient. 2) The 2nd Andromeda briefing said this tech is experimental, so we could very well be the ones testing it out. As for running away form the reapers... I don't think so. This is our galaxy. Plus, people didn't really believe Shepard anyway. The AI seems to have taken quite a bit of time to put together and get going. We didn't have that time in ME3. 3) I wouldn't see why they would sabotage it. I could see them trying to take it over. It wouldn't surprise me to see some Cerberus personnel crop up (thought I don't want them to) in MEA. 4) I don't see how this lessens the drama for ME3. As far as they are concerned, they'll never really know if we make it; our trip is 600 years long. And having millions of humans obliterated at the start of ME3 is still worrying. There are only 20,000 humans going on this trip.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 22:19:41 GMT
None of this is making sense lore-wise. 1st... Reapers. Why didn't they know about this massive project? Why didn't they sabotage it? Whole host of problems. 2nd... Seen this already mentioned... lore wise we didn't have the technology available to build any of this stuff. If we did, we simply would have run away from the Reapers. 3rd... Cerberus... why wouldn't they sabotage this project? It included all races, not just humans. 4th... this whole concept robs vasts amounts of drama from the previous Mass Effect series. "Hey! Turns out humanity wasn't really almost wiped out! Psyche!" So yeah. Waiting to see if they explain how they get around these problems. It was already tough to swallow Cerberus with an army and the Reapers being kept in the dark about the Crucible. Cohesive story-telling. It matters. . What would the Reapers do without an indoctrinated person? Sovereign is gone. The Ai launches before they arrive, they aren't capable of doing anything about it, they're barely functioning in Dark Space. Which technology...? What makes no sense is how people would ran away from them since most don't believe in the existence of Reapers, and you could barely populate the Arks and Nexus with the MW's population. I fail to see why Cerberus would want to sabotage this project, because you know, its success would mean a great accomplishment for a humanity and whatnot. Not mentioning its purpose of establishing a connection between MW and Andromeda. Ambitious enough. The Reapers had plenty of operatives. First and foremost are the Collectors, who could have wiped the project out and were around before this project leaves. Other agents include the Heretics, who were still loyal to the Reapers even after Sovereign's demise. Then there are other indoctrinated agents, like The Illusive Man. The technology that makes Mass Relays redundant. The ODSY drive would be able to help countless people and would have been used since despite public appearances the governments knew about the Reapers.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 2, 2016 22:21:18 GMT
None of this is making sense lore-wise. 1st... Reapers. Why didn't they know about this massive project? Why didn't they sabotage it? Whole host of problems. 2nd... Seen this already mentioned... lore wise we didn't have the technology available to build any of this stuff. If we did, we simply would have run away from the Reapers. 3rd... Cerberus... why wouldn't they sabotage this project? It included all races, not just humans. 4th... this whole concept robs vasts amounts of drama from the previous Mass Effect series. "Hey! Turns out humanity wasn't really almost wiped out! Psyche!" So yeah. Waiting to see if they explain how they get around these problems. It was already tough to swallow Cerberus with an army and the Reapers being kept in the dark about the Crucible. Cohesive story-telling. It matters. . What would the Reapers do without an indoctrinated person? Sovereign is gone. The Ai launches before they arrive, they aren't capable of doing anything about it, they're barely functioning in Dark Space. Which technology...? What makes no sense is how people would ran away from them since most don't believe in the existence of Reapers, and you could barely populate the Arks and Nexus with the MW's population. I fail to see why Cerberus would want to sabotage this project, because you know, its success would mean a great accomplishment for a humanity and whatnot. Not mentioning its purpose of establishing a connection between MW and Andromeda. Ambitious enough. 1. Sovereign would have done something about it. The project would have had to have been active - at the very least in its planning stages - during the time period of ME1. Even with Sovereign out of the picture - hello Collectors?! And indoctrination... yes that would have been employed as well. The Reapers would have put indoctrinated people in place to sabotage this project at all stages. Both Sovereign and the Collectors and their indoctrinated agents were monitoring all the races for this kind of activity, among others. 2. What do mean which technology? The tech to build a massive space station and space vessels capable of trans-versing Dark Space. That technology. Per Arrival, at the very least the humans knew the Reapers were coming. That should have at the very least initiated a covert second wave of ships towards Andromeda, or a closer galaxy. 3. No, it wouldn't be a triumph for humankind. Remember, the humans were complaining just about the Turians having a hand in designing the Normandy. Cerberus wouldn't be happy at all about this massive collective project, which again would at the very least be in the planning stages during (or even before) ME1. Again, we don't have the whole picture and I'm reserving final judgement of the story until I've heard all of the story.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Dec 2, 2016 22:21:19 GMT
OH YAY, NEW STUFF.
"Greetings, Recruits! I am Avina!"
Avina.
AVINA. PREODER CANCELLED.
I've treasured an irrational hatred of Avina since ME1. Apparently I can get away from the damn Reapers, but there's no escape from Avina. Not even in a brand new galaxy. -raptor scream-
Seriously, it actually looks pretty cool. And if I can ignore/flee from Avina, I'll forgive this evil.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 2, 2016 22:23:13 GMT
None of this is making sense lore-wise. 1st... Reapers. Why didn't they know about this massive project? Why didn't they sabotage it? Whole host of problems. 2nd... Seen this already mentioned... lore wise we didn't have the technology available to build any of this stuff. If we did, we simply would have run away from the Reapers. 3rd... Cerberus... why wouldn't they sabotage this project? It included all races, not just humans. 4th... this whole concept robs vasts amounts of drama from the previous Mass Effect series. "Hey! Turns out humanity wasn't really almost wiped out! Psyche!" So yeah. Waiting to see if they explain how they get around these problems. It was already tough to swallow Cerberus with an army and the Reapers being kept in the dark about the Crucible. Cohesive story-telling. It matters. 1. They were in dark space waiting for someone to open the backdoor until they... somehow just came through anyway (lore in ME1 told us dark space was locking them out of the galaxy, in need of a relay as if there is a barrier between galaxy and dark space like a stratosphere. There are no reapers to discover them inside the Milky Way in 2185 but they could've easily blown them to bits in their 600-year voyage and cryosleep. 2. Completely agree. It diminishes everything about Normandy SR1 and Cerberus. Apparently the Andromeda Initiative had twice the resources of both the alliance and Ceberus and we didn't know them. Also, saying that because Cerberus was already just as big a contrivance does not excuse adding a third one being the Andromeda Initiative. 3. They totally would, and I hope they aren't part of the plot but if they are at least it can make sense. 4. Yes and yes, but in this incident I'm willing to accept that nothing makes sense and then start being critical of any lore-integrity within Andromeda itself. the transition from old lore into Andromeda lore is going to be shit in terms of continuity, but we can at least hope the new universe has consistency (at least for one game). But they're not interested in explaining these things. I don't think they care despite mac saying they take the science and facts of their fiction very seriously on Twitter while posting "SciencePorn" links (basically a sort of Fox News or tabloid source for science-trivia, aka for dummies). The fact that this project has gone on for 4 years and no one on the team has seen all the lore issues we are pointing out or tried to circumvent them is telling that they have a super casual approach to the lore of Mass Effect despite saying otherwise. They don't care. They just need to "shoot things in the face".
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Post by bshep on Dec 2, 2016 22:24:51 GMT
I see they show a hologram of a turian and female human hologram holding hands at the 1:54 mark. Curious why they have that. Most likely just to signify the end of the contact war...but they could have gone with a hand-shake like the other holograms we see in the background. Curious indeed... Bah...just Alliance propaganda!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 22:25:57 GMT
None of this is making sense lore-wise. 1st... Reapers. Why didn't they know about this massive project? Why didn't they sabotage it? Whole host of problems. 2nd... Seen this already mentioned... lore wise we didn't have the technology available to build any of this stuff. If we did, we simply would have run away from the Reapers. 3rd... Cerberus... why wouldn't they sabotage this project? It included all races, not just humans. 4th... this whole concept robs vasts amounts of drama from the previous Mass Effect series. "Hey! Turns out humanity wasn't really almost wiped out! Psyche!" So yeah. Waiting to see if they explain how they get around these problems. It was already tough to swallow Cerberus with an army and the Reapers being kept in the dark about the Crucible. Cohesive story-telling. It matters. 1. They were in dark space waiting for someone to open the backdoor until they... somehow just came through anyway (lore in ME1 told us dark space was locking them out of the galaxy, in need of a relay as if there is a barrier between galaxy and dark space like a stratosphere. There are no reapers to discover them inside the Milky Way in 2185 but they could've easily blown them to bits in their 600-year voyage and cryosleep. Mass Effect 1 never said that. It said the Reapers were out there to avoid detection while they slept, and even that was just a hypothesis from Vigil. The Reapers were always capable of entering the Milky Way the old-fashioned way. They just did the Citadel way because it was more efficient.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 22:31:15 GMT
. What would the Reapers do without an indoctrinated person? Sovereign is gone. The Ai launches before they arrive, they aren't capable of doing anything about it, they're barely functioning in Dark Space. Which technology...? What makes no sense is how people would ran away from them since most don't believe in the existence of Reapers, and you could barely populate the Arks and Nexus with the MW's population. I fail to see why Cerberus would want to sabotage this project, because you know, its success would mean a great accomplishment for a humanity and whatnot. Not mentioning its purpose of establishing a connection between MW and Andromeda. Ambitious enough. The Reapers had plenty of operatives. First and foremost are the Collectors, who could have wiped the project out and were around before this project leaves. Then there are other indoctrinated agents, like The Illusive Man. The technology that makes Mass Relays redundant. The ODSY drive would be able to help countless people and would have been used since despite public appearances the governments knew about the Reapers. No. The Collectors don't have the manpower to dare do anything about the Ark Project. And they had one goal, building a human Reaper. They would be wiped quickly by any fleet guarding the Ark, and by the time they leave, the Collectors are gone. Like I said, the technology is private, and there's no point in using it since you have the Mass Relays. I don't get it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 22:37:13 GMT
The Reapers had plenty of operatives. First and foremost are the Collectors, who could have wiped the project out and were around before this project leaves. Then there are other indoctrinated agents, like The Illusive Man. The technology that makes Mass Relays redundant. The ODSY drive would be able to help countless people and would have been used since despite public appearances the governments knew about the Reapers. No. The Collectors don't have the manpower to dare do anything about the Ark Project. And they had one goal, building a human Reaper. They would be wiped quickly by any fleet guarding the Ark, and by the time they leave, the Collectors are gone. Like I said, the technology is private, and there's no point in using it since you have the Mass Relays. I don't get it. Nonsense. The Collectors have been shown to completely outmatch our cycle's level of technology. And the Reapers used them for other missions, like investigate the other races and when the Reaper War occurred they were brought in as reinforcements. All it would take is at most a few Black Arks to obliterate the entire project, or at least damage and hamper it enough so it is not ready to leave by the time their masters arrive. And that's just one agent. They also have other servants like the Heretics and indoctrinated people throughout the galaxy, some in very high up places like TIM. For starters, it would save millions of people but I guess who cares about them right? But also, it would allow the exploration of the rest of the Milky Way without the risks and limitations of the Mass Relay Array. If anything selling that would get them more funding for this project.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 22:38:49 GMT
. What would the Reapers do without an indoctrinated person? Sovereign is gone. The Ai launches before they arrive, they aren't capable of doing anything about it, they're barely functioning in Dark Space. Which technology...? What makes no sense is how people would ran away from them since most don't believe in the existence of Reapers, and you could barely populate the Arks and Nexus with the MW's population. I fail to see why Cerberus would want to sabotage this project, because you know, its success would mean a great accomplishment for a humanity and whatnot. Not mentioning its purpose of establishing a connection between MW and Andromeda. Ambitious enough. 1. Sovereign would have done something about it. The project would have had to have been active - at the very least in its planning stages - during the time period of ME1. Even with Sovereign out of the picture - hello Collectors?! And indoctrination... yes that would have been employed as well. The Reapers would have put indoctrinated people in place to sabotage this project at all stages. Both Sovereign and the Collectors and their indoctrinated agents were monitoring all the races for this kind of activity, among others. 2. What do mean which technology? The tech to build a massive space station and space vessels capable of trans-versing Dark Space. That technology. Per Arrival, at the very least the humans knew the Reapers were coming. That should have at the very least initiated a covert second wave of ships towards Andromeda, or a closer galaxy. 3. No, it wouldn't be a triumph for humankind. Remember, the humans were complaining just about the Turians having a hand in designing the Normandy. Cerberus wouldn't be happy at all about this massive collective project, which again would at the very least be in the planning stages during (or even before) ME1. Again, we don't have the whole picture and I'm reserving final judgement of the story until I've heard all of the story. What would Sovereign do again? Expose himself to a whole armada? And risk his main goal of opening a link to Dark Space by potentially getting itself destroyed? Same thing for the Collectors, which are much weaker than Sovereign. Since when you can't build the Nexus in the ME lore? There's nothing that says you can't. I think you're confusing our reality with a space fantasy's. The whole thing is a wild ride, there's no guarantee of success. The volunteers are aware of that. Anything could happen in Dark Space, they did their best to avoid most scenarios with the knowledge they knew. How on Satan's name it wouldn't be a triumph for humanity? Cerberus wasn't even indoctrinated by now. I see them actually wanting to fund this shizzle. I won't be able to sleep tonight after the triumph statement. Many drinks.
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Post by bshep on Dec 2, 2016 22:41:44 GMT
1. Sovereign would have done something about it. The project would have had to have been active - at the very least in its planning stages - during the time period of ME1. Even with Sovereign out of the picture - hello Collectors?! And indoctrination... yes that would have been employed as well. The Reapers would have put indoctrinated people in place to sabotage this project at all stages. Both Sovereign and the Collectors and their indoctrinated agents were monitoring all the races for this kind of activity, among others. 2. What do mean which technology? The tech to build a massive space station and space vessels capable of trans-versing Dark Space. That technology. Per Arrival, at the very least the humans knew the Reapers were coming. That should have at the very least initiated a covert second wave of ships towards Andromeda, or a closer galaxy. 3. No, it wouldn't be a triumph for humankind. Remember, the humans were complaining just about the Turians having a hand in designing the Normandy. Cerberus wouldn't be happy at all about this massive collective project, which again would at the very least be in the planning stages during (or even before) ME1. Again, we don't have the whole picture and I'm reserving final judgement of the story until I've heard all of the story. 1)Sovereign was just one ship, it preferred to work in the shadows to fix the trouble with the Keepers not answering his sign to activate the Citadel Station relay. Besides if Sovereign had been sucessfull then the Andromeda Initiave would have be destroyed with the rest of galactic species. Also the collectors had just one mission: to prove or not if the Reapers could build another one using human DNA. 2) THe only new tech was the ODSY Drive System which allowed the arks to solve the estactic energy build up problem. Everything else is known technology. Like people already stated most didn't believe Shepard until it was too late, so by the time Reapers arrive and start killing everyone there is no way to build new arks. ps: Andromeda(M31) is the closest galaxy to the Milky Way. 3)I could see TIM trying to put some of his people between the colonists but i don't see a reason for them to sabotage the project. ps: Cerberus used it's influence inside the Alliance to help the Normandy construction project.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 22:41:49 GMT
No. The Collectors don't have the manpower to dare do anything about the Ark Project. And they had one goal, building a human Reaper. They would be wiped quickly by any fleet guarding the Ark, and by the time they leave, the Collectors are gone. Like I said, the technology is private, and there's no point in using it since you have the Mass Relays. I don't get it. Nonsense. The Collectors have been shown to completely outmatch our cycle's level of technology. And the Reapers used them for other missions, like investigate the other races and when the Reaper War occurred they were brought in as reinforcements. All it would take is at most a few Black Arks to obliterate the entire project, or at least damage and hamper it enough so it is not ready to leave by the time their masters arrive. And that's just one agent. They also have other servants like the Heretics and indoctrinated people throughout the galaxy, some in very high up places like TIM. For starters, it would save millions of people but I guess who cares about them right? But also, it would allow the exploration of the rest of the Milky Way without the risks and limitations of the Mass Relay Array. If anything selling that would get them more funding for this project. Really? So, The Normandy destroying their ship by itself is being completely outmatched. Your logic falls apart into the deepest zones of Dark Space here. There's nothing they can do. Absolutely nothing without the required manpower. Which they don't have. Do you actually know what the drive does?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 22:44:02 GMT
I mean, when you have Iakus being okay with the technology being used to move this project, you know something about this went right.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 22:44:48 GMT
Nonsense. The Collectors have been shown to completely outmatch our cycle's level of technology. And the Reapers used them for other missions, like investigate the other races and when the Reaper War occurred they were brought in as reinforcements. All it would take is at most a few Black Arks to obliterate the entire project, or at least damage and hamper it enough so it is not ready to leave by the time their masters arrive. And that's just one agent. They also have other servants like the Heretics and indoctrinated people throughout the galaxy, some in very high up places like TIM. For starters, it would save millions of people but I guess who cares about them right? But also, it would allow the exploration of the rest of the Milky Way without the risks and limitations of the Mass Relay Array. If anything selling that would get them more funding for this project. Really? So, The Normandy destroying their ship by itself is being completely outmatched. Your logic falls apart into the deepest zones of Dark Space here. There's nothing they can do. Absolutely nothing without the required manpower. Which they don't have. Do you actually know what the drive does? You mean the same Normandy that was only that powerful because of Reaper upgrades? Well that and plot armor. In every other case, from the beginning of ME2 to Paragon Lost to the various cases told to us by characters or lore, those who faced the Collectors had no shot of beating them in a fight like the one that would occur. Plus you know a surprise attack has its virtues, like the Collectors being half way done by the time the AI can even bring defenses up. Yes, I read the description.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Dec 2, 2016 22:46:17 GMT
Regarding Avina -- I don't think the holo asari is her. First, it doesn't move, unlike the other animated background pieces. And yeah, it looks different.
BUT I STILL SUSPECT MY NEMESIS IS OUT THERE. LURKING. WITH HER ANNOYINGLY TWEE VOICE AND EXPOSITION DUMP WAYS.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 22:47:15 GMT
Regarding Avina -- I don't think the holo asari is her. First, it doesn't move, unlike the other animated background pieces. And yeah, it looks different. BUT I STILL SUSPECT MY NEMESIS IS OUT THERE. LURKING. WITH HER ANNOYINGLY TWEE VOICE AND EXPOSITION DUMP WAYS. It was one of three images that were shown when you investigated Avina in the video, and all looked like that.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 2, 2016 22:48:59 GMT
1. Sovereign would have done something about it. The project would have had to have been active - at the very least in its planning stages - during the time period of ME1. Even with Sovereign out of the picture - hello Collectors?! And indoctrination... yes that would have been employed as well. The Reapers would have put indoctrinated people in place to sabotage this project at all stages. Both Sovereign and the Collectors and their indoctrinated agents were monitoring all the races for this kind of activity, among others. 2. What do mean which technology? The tech to build a massive space station and space vessels capable of trans-versing Dark Space. That technology. Per Arrival, at the very least the humans knew the Reapers were coming. That should have at the very least initiated a covert second wave of ships towards Andromeda, or a closer galaxy. 3. No, it wouldn't be a triumph for humankind. Remember, the humans were complaining just about the Turians having a hand in designing the Normandy. Cerberus wouldn't be happy at all about this massive collective project, which again would at the very least be in the planning stages during (or even before) ME1. Again, we don't have the whole picture and I'm reserving final judgement of the story until I've heard all of the story. What would Sovereign do again? Expose himself to a whole armada? And risk his main goal of opening a link to Dark Space by potentially getting itself destroyed? Same thing for the Collectors, which are much weaker than Sovereign. Since when you can't build the Nexus in the ME lore? There's nothing that says you can't. I think you're confusing our reality with a space fantasy's. The whole thing is a wild ride, there's no guarantee of success. The volunteers are aware of that. Anything could happen in Dark Space, they did their best to avoid most scenarios with the knowledge they knew. How on Satan's name it wouldn't be a triumph for humanity? Cerberus wasn't even indoctrinated by now. I see them actually wanting to fund this shizzle. I won't be able to sleep tonight after the triumph statement. Many drinks. I'm beginning to wonder if you even played Mass Effect or read the codex. All Sovereign had to do was kill the planners. Indoctrinated agents or geth would suffice. Or collectors or their agents. All of these were employed throughout all the Mass Effect story. The Normandy was an example of the most advanced technology available. It could not make a 600 year trip to another galaxy due to many technological limitations - most which have already been mentioned in this thread and are also in the Mass Effect codex. Read them. The Citadel and the Mass Relays were advanced technology we didn't understand and could not replicate. Even the Protheans had difficulty doing so, they only managed a small-scale prototype of a mass relay. The Reapers devised this technological mouse trap so that when civilizations started to approach understanding this technology - they would be wiped out roughly every 50000 years. Any attempt to escape this mouse trap - the Nexus - would have been stomped. Cerberus was anti-alien long before any indoctrination. That was their whole shtick... did you not pay attention to them being described in ME1? Or the conversation you could have with Miranda about them being anti-alien? They only approached cooperation with aliens when faced with the Reaper threat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 22:50:39 GMT
Regarding Avina -- I don't think the holo asari is her. First, it doesn't move, unlike the other animated background pieces. And yeah, it looks different. BUT I STILL SUSPECT MY NEMESIS IS OUT THERE. LURKING. WITH HER ANNOYINGLY TWEE VOICE AND EXPOSITION DUMP WAYS. As an OCD completionist I understand your pain. I am now on my way to the Citadel, and while I would like to get on with exploration of planets, I must stop to speak to AVINA at the embassy (20 xp), at the Citadel Tower (20 xp), at the Krogan statue (20 xp). I must...before I can move on.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 2, 2016 22:51:00 GMT
Every one of these trailers i watch i just can't get over how pretty it is.
All of this conjecture about the collectors is rather irrelevant. They clearly did not stop the arks so either they assumed it wasn't important or they didn't know about it at all.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Dec 2, 2016 22:52:39 GMT
If it is... Well, at least we're rid of her stupid flickertastic face, a design choice I never really loved. Of course, I remain committed to hating Avina no matter what. Never fear, citizen. She could save my twin brother and my dog, and I'd still complain.
On a sidenote, I think my Ryder will live in the garden until people kick her out to go Pathfind, because that place looks gorgeous.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 2, 2016 22:52:43 GMT
So, that ODSY drive system sounds really handy.
It makes sense that you should be able to re-use the static electricity to power systems but why is this not used in the MW even years later?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 22:53:10 GMT
Really? So, The Normandy destroying their ship by itself is being completely outmatched. Your logic falls apart into the deepest zones of Dark Space here. There's nothing they can do. Absolutely nothing without the required manpower. Which they don't have. Do you actually know what the drive does? You mean the same Normandy that was only that powerful because of Reaper upgrades? Well that and plot armor. In every other case, from the beginning of ME2 to Paragon Lost to the various cases told to us by characters or lore, those who faced the Collectors had no shot of beating them in a fight like the one that would occur. Plus you know a surprise attack has its virtues, like the Collectors being half way done by the time the AI can even bring defenses up. Yes, I read the description. And you somehow think that the fleet guarding wouldn't be able to destroy the Collector ship that a single Normandy would send to oblivion later on? That's really, really quite the reach. Collectors ain't Reapers, just so you know. That plot armor of yours is basically something to try and legitimatize your complaint, but it won't work. Nothing about the clash between the two is implausible. You just need to accept the fact that the Collector ship isn't that strong and was easily moved with defense systems in Horizon. There's also that. Could you tell me its purpose? I may have misread it.
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