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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 2, 2016 19:29:05 GMT
"All I see is the trailer of bodies they left behind."
If these guys killed MW people, why on Earth did they get kicked out instead of executed?
Is station ran by a bunch of sissies without a Lucille.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 2, 2016 19:48:04 GMT
They probably got kicked off the station for bending the rules and then started growing up an anarchist society by rooting together on one of the pre-habitated areas. Could even be that Kett or other hostile Andromedan races take advantage of it by allying themselves with them to create more opposition.
What makes me more curious is how people are accepted into the Initiative. How could these anarchists make it there? They must've had some credentials that made them qualify and then it really surprises me they can go rogue like this, and how primitive they seem.
Perhaps they're part of some civilian Nexus program. Who knows.
I think they don't get executed because the Ai is a civilized program. We know what is at stake but most of the management is probably well organized and the population is safe enough for a few stragglers to not shake things up too much.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 2, 2016 19:49:45 GMT
They probably got kicked off the station for scheming or bending the rules and then started growing up an anarchist society by rooting together on one of the pre-habitated areas. Could even be that Kett or other hostile Andromedan races take advantage of it by allying themselves with them to create more opposition. What makes me more curious is how people are accepted into the Initiative. How could these anarchists make it there? They must've had some credentials that made them qualify and then it really surprises me they can go rogue like this, and how primitive they seem. Perhaps they're part of some civilian Nexus program. Who knows. Now this really creates room for Cerberus since the Initiative isn't fail proof against questionable recruits If they were embedded among the highest positions of humanity, how could they not get in on AI. Cora the sleeper Cerb agent ftw.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 2, 2016 19:51:52 GMT
There was also a Milky way shuttle in the upper right corner in the gameplay footage when they land at the settlement. It could be anything but it instantly reminded me of Cerberus's shuttles in ME3.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 2, 2016 19:53:34 GMT
They probably got kicked off the station for scheming or bending the rules and then started growing up an anarchist society by rooting together on one of the pre-habitated areas. Could even be that Kett or other hostile Andromedan races take advantage of it by allying themselves with them to create more opposition. What makes me more curious is how people are accepted into the Initiative. How could these anarchists make it there? They must've had some credentials that made them qualify and then it really surprises me they can go rogue like this, and how primitive they seem. Perhaps they're part of some civilian Nexus program. Who knows. Now this really creates room for Cerberus since the Initiative isn't fail proof against questionable recruits If they were embedded among the highest positions of humanity, how could they not get in on AI. Cora the sleeper Cerb agent ftw. On theory Cerberus could infiltrate regardless of this. They already confirmed on twitter Cerberus isn't involved, howewer.
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Post by jjdxb on Dec 2, 2016 20:15:40 GMT
They probably got kicked off the station for scheming or bending the rules and then started growing up an anarchist society by rooting together on one of the pre-habitated areas. Could even be that Kett or other hostile Andromedan races take advantage of it by allying themselves with them to create more opposition. What makes me more curious is how people are accepted into the Initiative. How could these anarchists make it there? They must've had some credentials that made them qualify and then it really surprises me they can go rogue like this, and how primitive they seem. Perhaps they're part of some civilian Nexus program. Who knows. Now this really creates room for Cerberus since the Initiative isn't fail proof against questionable recruits If they were embedded among the highest positions of humanity, how could they not get in on AI. Cora the sleeper Cerb agent ftw. How does this help Cerberus though? Their goal is to advance humanity (and only humanity). What good does it do for the cause to get people kicked off the AI? Especially that early on?
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Post by azarhal on Dec 2, 2016 20:24:42 GMT
They probably got kicked off the station for bending the rules and then started growing up an anarchist society by rooting together on one of the pre-habitated areas. Could even be that Kett or other hostile Andromedan races take advantage of it by allying themselves with them to create more opposition. What makes me more curious is how people are accepted into the Initiative. How could these anarchists make it there? They must've had some credentials that made them qualify and then it really surprises me they can go rogue like this, and how primitive they seem. Perhaps they're part of some civilian Nexus program. Who knows. I think they don't get executed because the Ai is a civilized program. We know what is at stake but most of the management is probably well organized and the population is safe enough for a few stragglers to not shake things up too much. Sloane Kelly, the dark skinned woman in the trailer who appears to be the ruler of that "anarchist colony" was the head of security of the Nexus before being kicked out. That explain how the security checks could let some dubious people in, but not how she got the job.
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Post by armass81 on Dec 2, 2016 20:25:09 GMT
Now this really creates room for Cerberus since the Initiative isn't fail proof against questionable recruits If they were embedded among the highest positions of humanity, how could they not get in on AI. Cora the sleeper Cerb agent ftw. How does this help Cerberus though? Their goal is to advance humanity (and only humanity). What good does it do for the cause to get people kicked off the AI? Especially that early on? Cerberus is freaking stupid, nothing they do really helps "humanity"(unless you think like TIM that "Cerberus is humanity" or some deluded shit like that), only hinders them and hurts them. And they better not be in this game, THEY BETTER NOT BE IN. Or I swear to God I...
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Post by Serza on Dec 2, 2016 22:22:56 GMT
Cerberus is in Andromeda. There is no way they haven't snuck in somehow.
Thing is, they might just be sleeper agents for decades and even centuries with several generations, meaning that Ryder might never learn of their presence, or even who Cerberus really is beyond the rumors available to the common citizen.
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Post by Amirit on Dec 2, 2016 22:44:15 GMT
"All I see is the trailer of bodies they left behind." If these guys killed MW people, why on Earth did they get kicked out instead of executed? Is station ran by a bunch of sissies without a Lucille. Oh, I'll tell you why! It's my old pet-peeve about total lack of imagination of many writers (BW might top the list here), and I can rant about it for hours. For some unknown reason, a lot of fiction writers convinced, that "free world can not exist without criminals and there is absolutely no way to get rid of them". Remember Babylon-5? You should, after all ME took so much from it they could call it Babylon instead of ME. A space station with scarce strongly controlled resources and diplomats as main inhabitants (the station was build as diplomatic mission). Yet, there are criminals freely living there and threatening said diplomats. Can you imagine criminal bands in, idk, White House? I mean, aside the government? Simply living in the basement and security does not dare to step in those occupied floors? Well, apparently, BW writers can. Hence, "new Aria". Sure you loved Aria since ME2, right? And could not get enough of her? Well, here is her new incarnation. Enjoy!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 2, 2016 22:46:34 GMT
Yeah, kind of the same feeling I had. First thing that sprung to mind was "Oh, I guess this is Mac's subplot."
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 2, 2016 22:49:29 GMT
Cerberus is in Andromeda. There is no way they haven't snuck in somehow. Thing is, they might just be sleeper agents for decades and even centuries with several generations, meaning that Ryder might never learn of their presence, or even who Cerberus really is beyond the rumors available to the common citizen. Or they find out Shepard took down Cerb 600 years ago and say screw it
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Post by Serza on Dec 2, 2016 22:51:23 GMT
Cerberus is in Andromeda. There is no way they haven't snuck in somehow. Thing is, they might just be sleeper agents for decades and even centuries with several generations, meaning that Ryder might never learn of their presence, or even who Cerberus really is beyond the rumors available to the common citizen. Or they find out Shepard took down Cerb 600 years ago and say screw it Also a possibility.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Dec 2, 2016 23:34:47 GMT
They probably got kicked off the station for bending the rules and then started growing up an anarchist society by rooting together on one of the pre-habitated areas. Could even be that Kett or other hostile Andromedan races take advantage of it by allying themselves with them to create more opposition. What makes me more curious is how people are accepted into the Initiative. How could these anarchists make it there? They must've had some credentials that made them qualify and then it really surprises me they can go rogue like this, and how primitive they seem. Perhaps they're part of some civilian Nexus program. Who knows. I think they don't get executed because the Ai is a civilized program. We know what is at stake but most of the management is probably well organized and the population is safe enough for a few stragglers to not shake things up too much. Sloane Kelly, the dark skinned woman in the trailer who appears to be the ruler of that "anarchist colony" was the head of security of the Nexus before being kicked out. That explain how the security checks could let some dubious people in, but not how she got the job. She looks like she's about fifteen years old.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 3, 2016 0:52:43 GMT
They probably got kicked off the station for bending the rules and then started growing up an anarchist society by rooting together on one of the pre-habitated areas. Could even be that Kett or other hostile Andromedan races take advantage of it by allying themselves with them to create more opposition. What makes me more curious is how people are accepted into the Initiative. How could these anarchists make it there? They must've had some credentials that made them qualify and then it really surprises me they can go rogue like this, and how primitive they seem. Perhaps they're part of some civilian Nexus program. Who knows. I think they don't get executed because the Ai is a civilized program. We know what is at stake but most of the management is probably well organized and the population is safe enough for a few stragglers to not shake things up too much. Sloane Kelly, the dark skinned woman in the trailer who appears to be the ruler of that "anarchist colony" was the head of security of the Nexus before being kicked out. That explain how the security checks could let some dubious people in, but not how she got the job. In ME2, the freighter Hugo Gernsback crashed on a planet where all the vegetation caused mental impairment. In an extremely short amount of time, this ended up causing a breakdown of the crew from a collection of previously normal people manning a freighter, to the senior officers massively abusing their power as the food stores dwindled and rescue didn't arrive. They started by keeping for themselves while giving the dangerous plants to the rest of the crew, justifying that they needed to remain functional to keep everyone alive and the others could be cured when they were finally rescued. At some point some of them began to take advantage of impaired female crew members, leading to them creating their own personal harem of sex slaves. Finally they started to kill each other off, so that they had less to ration between them and to get rid of any rivals. The idea that some people might go a little nutty and/or off-the-rails in Andromeda due to a combination of stress, survival necessity or simply wanting to satisfy their own base desires, isn't really all the unexpected. When it comes to survival, people can end up in Lord of the Flies territory with far less prodding than they'd want to believe.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 3, 2016 1:17:30 GMT
Sloane Kelly, the dark skinned woman in the trailer who appears to be the ruler of that "anarchist colony" was the head of security of the Nexus before being kicked out. That explain how the security checks could let some dubious people in, but not how she got the job. In ME2, the freighter Hugo Gernsback crashed on a planet where all the vegetation caused mental impairment. In an extremely short amount of time, this ended up causing a breakdown of the crew from a collection of previously normal people manning a freighter, to the senior officers massively abusing their power as the food stores dwindled and rescue didn't arrive. They started by keeping for themselves while giving the dangerous plants to the rest of the crew, justifying that they needed to remain functional to keep everyone alive and the others could be cured when they were finally rescued. At some point some of them began to take advantage of impaired female crew members, leading to them creating their own personal harem of sex slaves. Finally they started to kill each other off, so that they had less to ration between them and to get rid of any rivals. The idea that some people might go a little nutty and/or off-the-rails in Andromeda due to a combination of stress, survival necessity or simply wanting to satisfy their own base desires, isn't really all the unexpected. When it comes to survival, people can end up in Lord of the Flies territory with far less prodding than they'd want to believe. That's one of the few missions where even my Paragon Shepards go Renegade, at the end at least.
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Post by Amirit on Dec 3, 2016 13:46:34 GMT
Sloane Kelly, the dark skinned woman in the trailer who appears to be the ruler of that "anarchist colony" was the head of security of the Nexus before being kicked out. That explain how the security checks could let some dubious people in, but not how she got the job. In ME2, the freighter Hugo Gernsback crashed on a planet where all the vegetation caused mental impairment. In an extremely short amount of time, this ended up causing a breakdown of the crew from a collection of previously normal people manning a freighter, to the senior officers massively abusing their power as the food stores dwindled and rescue didn't arrive. They started by keeping for themselves while giving the dangerous plants to the rest of the crew, justifying that they needed to remain functional to keep everyone alive and the others could be cured when they were finally rescued. At some point some of them began to take advantage of impaired female crew members, leading to them creating their own personal harem of sex slaves. Finally they started to kill each other off, so that they had less to ration between them and to get rid of any rivals. The idea that some people might go a little nutty and/or off-the-rails in Andromeda due to a combination of stress, survival necessity or simply wanting to satisfy their own base desires, isn't really all the unexpected. When it comes to survival, people can end up in Lord of the Flies territory with far less prodding than they'd want to believe. It was a crash, critical situation and the people were "every day people" - not selected few who were supposed to be checked by all possible tests. The situation presented in MEA is like having some modern astronauts forming drug-cartel on board of International Space Station. Even Krogan's biology is more convincing. Shame on those writers and their total lack of creativity!
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 3, 2016 13:57:02 GMT
In ME2, the freighter Hugo Gernsback crashed on a planet where all the vegetation caused mental impairment. In an extremely short amount of time, this ended up causing a breakdown of the crew from a collection of previously normal people manning a freighter, to the senior officers massively abusing their power as the food stores dwindled and rescue didn't arrive. They started by keeping for themselves while giving the dangerous plants to the rest of the crew, justifying that they needed to remain functional to keep everyone alive and the others could be cured when they were finally rescued. At some point some of them began to take advantage of impaired female crew members, leading to them creating their own personal harem of sex slaves. Finally they started to kill each other off, so that they had less to ration between them and to get rid of any rivals. The idea that some people might go a little nutty and/or off-the-rails in Andromeda due to a combination of stress, survival necessity or simply wanting to satisfy their own base desires, isn't really all the unexpected. When it comes to survival, people can end up in Lord of the Flies territory with far less prodding than they'd want to believe. It was a crash, critical situation and the people were "every day people" - not selected few who were supposed to be checked by all possible tests. The situation presented in MEA is like having some modern astronauts forming drug-cartel on board of International Space Station. Even Krogan's biology is more convincing. Shame on those writers and their total lack of creativity! There are over 20k people from every of the 4 species. I doubt that they were all 'selected few'. Beside, I disagree. Exteme and critical situations might bring the worst of people.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 13:59:47 GMT
In ME2, the freighter Hugo Gernsback crashed on a planet where all the vegetation caused mental impairment. In an extremely short amount of time, this ended up causing a breakdown of the crew from a collection of previously normal people manning a freighter, to the senior officers massively abusing their power as the food stores dwindled and rescue didn't arrive. They started by keeping for themselves while giving the dangerous plants to the rest of the crew, justifying that they needed to remain functional to keep everyone alive and the others could be cured when they were finally rescued. At some point some of them began to take advantage of impaired female crew members, leading to them creating their own personal harem of sex slaves. Finally they started to kill each other off, so that they had less to ration between them and to get rid of any rivals. The idea that some people might go a little nutty and/or off-the-rails in Andromeda due to a combination of stress, survival necessity or simply wanting to satisfy their own base desires, isn't really all the unexpected. When it comes to survival, people can end up in Lord of the Flies territory with far less prodding than they'd want to believe. It was a crash, critical situation and the people were "every day people" - not selected few who were supposed to be checked by all possible tests. The situation presented in MEA is like having some modern astronauts forming drug-cartel on board of International Space Station. Even Krogan's biology is more convincing. Shame on those writers and their total lack of creativity! Hey, at least it's a "woman of color" going rogue this time... that's the new creativity: The same lackluster stories in a new dress. Seriously though, we still don't know the whole story there, I'm sure the AI had it's fair share of internal politics going on before the game even starts...
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Post by kumazan on Dec 3, 2016 14:04:34 GMT
In ME2, the freighter Hugo Gernsback crashed on a planet where all the vegetation caused mental impairment. In an extremely short amount of time, this ended up causing a breakdown of the crew from a collection of previously normal people manning a freighter, to the senior officers massively abusing their power as the food stores dwindled and rescue didn't arrive. They started by keeping for themselves while giving the dangerous plants to the rest of the crew, justifying that they needed to remain functional to keep everyone alive and the others could be cured when they were finally rescued. At some point some of them began to take advantage of impaired female crew members, leading to them creating their own personal harem of sex slaves. Finally they started to kill each other off, so that they had less to ration between them and to get rid of any rivals. The idea that some people might go a little nutty and/or off-the-rails in Andromeda due to a combination of stress, survival necessity or simply wanting to satisfy their own base desires, isn't really all the unexpected. When it comes to survival, people can end up in Lord of the Flies territory with far less prodding than they'd want to believe. It was a crash, critical situation and the people were "every day people" - not selected few who were supposed to be checked by all possible tests. The situation presented in MEA is like having some modern astronauts forming drug-cartel on board of International Space Station. Even Krogan's biology is more convincing. Shame on those writers and their total lack of creativity! Not really. It's more like having people using their role in the military to smuggle drugs. Something which has actually happened, several times, in all kind of places.
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Post by ravenous on Dec 3, 2016 18:10:59 GMT
Cerberus is really stupid and I seriously hope that Cerberus isn't in AI and if Cerberus is involved then I will lose complete faith in bioware, I am sick and tired of Cerberus
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Post by Sifr on Dec 3, 2016 21:00:17 GMT
It was a crash, critical situation and the people were "every day people" - not selected few who were supposed to be checked by all possible tests. The situation presented in MEA is like having some modern astronauts forming drug-cartel on board of International Space Station. Even Krogan's biology is more convincing. Shame on those writers and their total lack of creativity! Not really. It's more like having people using their role in the military to smuggle drugs. Something which has actually happened, several times, in all kind of places. It would not be unexpected either for the Andromeda Initiative to look for military, police or security personnel with strong Type-A personalities, as they have often display excellent leadership skills and ability to respond quickly in crisis situations. When going to a completely new galaxy with unknown dangers and threats, those people would be vital. The downside however is that some of these Type-A's might end up reacting poorly to what they perceive as poor leadership, especially given that the Andromeda Initiative is a civilian-lead operation, so may not take military considerations into account that would keep colonists more safe. This is not meant to disparage the military, police or security personnel (in-game or out) or tar them with the same brush when it comes to personality type. Nor say that people with Type-A personalities wouldn't be present in the civilian leadership as well, as they are equally necessary and prevalent in those working in government. My point however, is that people who do have good leadership qualities, might end up finding themselves at odds with those who don't, yet who hold a position of authority over their community. Likewise, difference species might have different priorities in mind when it comes to setting up shop in Andomeda. Krogan and Turian colonists in a settlement might want to dig in as soon as possible, to secure their new holdings, give them somewhere fortified to expand from and provide a good fallback position in a crunch. Asari, Human or Volus colonists might instead want to focus on exploration and setting up trade, while making security a secondary concern. Thus conflicts over the direction of the Andromeda Initiative is to be expected, because not everyone will agree what direction they should take and how the colonisation efforts should be run. Some might feel security is too lax, some might feel it's too tight. Some might feel that the colonisation is going too slowly, while others might feel that rushing in would be reckless. People splintering off to form their own factions is inevitable, whether born from a desire for independence, their own piece of the action or feeling they could do it better.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 21:09:44 GMT
Also: Planning something - no matter how thoroughly - isn't actually doing it... circumstances change, people adapt, etc.
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