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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 2, 2016 20:27:17 GMT
will biotics be the Milky Way's exclusive voodoo powers?
do you expect Andromans to be able to do them also?
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Post by sageoflife on Dec 2, 2016 20:38:04 GMT
Element Zero is a naturally occurring resource. There is no reason to think that it's exclusive to the Milky Way.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 2, 2016 22:05:17 GMT
I have no idea but it would be super fun if it were! It true it's likely that Eezo occurs naturally in Andromeda but it's not necessarily true that it'd be compatible with an Andromedan's biology like it is in the Milky Way. Maybe it doesn't cause mutations in babies leading to the potential for biotics, maybe instead it causes still birth?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 3, 2016 3:30:42 GMT
Or maybe it is worse in that they can not only use it but it is a sustenance source that they harvest from beings who can use it to feed themselves... OK that is it I am going soldier.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 3, 2016 4:05:46 GMT
Might be nice to see a race that cannot use biotics (or has never encountered it before), so they might slightly freak out when they see someone using those abilities in front of them.
This has happened before in the lore. The Manswell Expedition was a lost colony of humans that left Earth prior to the discovery of the Mars Ruins, the Charon Relay or encountering alien life. When they were eventually rediscovered in Alpha Centauri System by an Asari scout ship, they naturally panicked at the sight of blue aliens with telekinetic powers. It lead to a brief stand-off and hostage situation, before the Alliance arrived to calm them down and explain what they'd missed during the century they'd been in cryo-sleep.
I also really like the idea of a mission briefing being something along the lines of;
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 3, 2016 6:12:52 GMT
With eezo being a substance found throughout the universe, we are likely to encounter biotics in Andromeda. I have speculated about the possibilities of introducing mass effect technology to a galaxy that previously hadn't developed such; but the kett look pretty damn advanced, now that I've seen a few.
Being the first to introduce the mass effect to a corner of Andromeda in which it was largely unknown might've been interesting, but it also might not have been the best foundation for an exciting story. That gameplay trailer looked like the Mass Effect we know, while still being alien. I expect we will see biotics on both fronts, and mass effect tech primarily from the Milkies (I'm tired of typing MW species).
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Post by armass81 on Dec 3, 2016 6:19:47 GMT
They need those to stop us...
Or boards with nails in them, the most terrifying weapons of them all to drive off invading aliens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 6:27:44 GMT
I would think at least some of the Andromeda aliens would have biotics, unless the Helius cluster turns out to be eezo poor. That would be bad news for the Milky Way natives however, as it would mean all except the Asari would lose biotic ability after the first generation of colonists died off. Only the Asari are natural biotics, the rest require eezo exposure. The Asari might run into issues as well if there is no element zero in the Helius cluster, since element zero may be a nutritional requirement for them. Dust-form eezo is in their food and water on Thessia. FTL space travel is also dependent on element zero; Without eezo you don't have the mass effect. It's probably a safe bet that it will be part of the Andromeda setting, otherwise the writers would need to ditch biotics in any sequels, and would need to give everyone a different means of FTL travel that has no connection to the series' title. You can't have Mass Effect without the mass effect.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 13:47:42 GMT
We have yet to see the natives even use mass effect tech, though, right? I mean, the Remnant most likely had it, since they had a civilization that spanned the cluster... or did they have different FTL tech?
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 3, 2016 18:20:52 GMT
We have yet to see the natives even use mass effect tech, though, right? I mean, the Remnant most likely had it, since they had a civilization that spanned the cluster... or did they have different FTL tech? They could very well have used a different means to achieve FTL. Technology is fascinating that way. I have been hoping we would not arrive to find the Heleus Cluster brimming with the same tech that the Reapers developed 2.5M LY away. Something Mac Walters said gives me hope. A fan asked him if Mass Relays would be present in Andromeda. He said no, but that biotics would be present and that the Andromeda Initiative species would use mass effect technology. That seems to imply that the Heleus Cluster developed along different lines, which makes sense. Of course, they may like, adapt and adopt some of our tech once we introduce it.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 18:28:58 GMT
We have yet to see the natives even use mass effect tech, though, right? I mean, the Remnant most likely had it, since they had a civilization that spanned the cluster... or did they have different FTL tech? They could very well have used a different means to achieve FTL. Technology is fascinating that way. I have been hoping we would not arrive to find the Heleus Cluster brimming with the same tech that the Reapers developed 2.5M LY away. Something Mac Walters said gives me hope. A fan asked him if Mass Relays would be present in Andromeda. He said no, but that biotics would be present and that the Andromeda Initiative species would use mass effect technology. That seems to imply that the Heleus Cluster developed along different lines, which makes sense. Of course, they may like, adapt and adopt some of our tech once we introduce it. Yup, my thoughts/hopes exactly... would be really cool if we learned to use new biotics/mass effect tech over the course of the game and maybe even how blend it together with "old" AI tech. Creative possibilities galore!
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 3, 2016 18:32:44 GMT
... all except the Asari would lose biotic ability after the first generation of colonists died off. Only the Asari are natural biotics, the rest require eezo exposure. ...It might be more complicated than that, for example, I wouldn't be surprised if any female biotic would be still capable of giving birth to a biotic child even while living on an eezo-poor world, due to the fact that the embryo will likely become contaminated with Eezo. However, I'm guessing that this will likely cause diminishing returns, with the offspring being less capable biotically, and possibly not capable of giving birth to biotics or producing very weak ones. This problem would likely be relevant to Asari and non Asari alike, since even Asari are not capable of producing more Eezo biologically, and are merely more adapted to use it. I'm not sure that "biotics birth biotics" even makes much sense, to be honest, at least for non-asari. Biotics are created when free element zero forms nodules in the nervous system. A human mother wouldn't pass eezo to her child, since she wouldn't have eezo in her bloodstream. Therefore, she wouldn't pass biotic potential to her child. (Nor, more likely, horrible cancers.) The asari have different physiology and come from worlds comparatively inundated with element zero. The natural foods and water of their world is often laced with eezo. They probably do have traces of element zero in their blood, and thus do pass such to their unborn children. Even the asari would see their biotics fade with a dearth of eezo, as you said. You can't keep producing future biotics without consuming the eezo that creates them.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 3, 2016 19:46:39 GMT
It might be more complicated than that, for example, I wouldn't be surprised if any female biotic would be still capable of giving birth to a biotic child even while living on an eezo-poor world, due to the fact that the embryo will likely become contaminated with Eezo. However, I'm guessing that this will likely cause diminishing returns, with the offspring being less capable biotically, and possibly not capable of giving birth to biotics or producing very weak ones. This problem would likely be relevant to Asari and non Asari alike, since even Asari are not capable of producing more Eezo biologically, and are merely more adapted to use it. I'm not sure that "biotics birth biotics" even makes much sense, to be honest, at least for non-asari. Biotics are created when free element zero forms nodules in the nervous system. A human mother wouldn't pass eezo to her child, since she wouldn't have eezo in her bloodstream. Therefore, she wouldn't pass biotic potential to her child. (Nor, more likely, horrible cancers.) The asari have different physiology and come from worlds comparatively inundated with element zero. The natural foods and water of their world is often laced with eezo. They probably do have traces of element zero in their blood, and thus do pass such to their unborn children. Even the asari would see their biotics fade with a dearth of eezo, as you said. You can't keep producing future biotics without consuming the eezo that creates them. I recall that when humans were being scumbags and artificially exposing babies and expecting mothers to eezo a lot of babs got tumours? I think Kaidan said it? Memory is failing me. If it does act like a cancer then it's entirely possible that it causes mutations in DNA like regular cancer. Which potentially could be passed on to a fetus in a sci-fantasy scenario. Whose to say eezo doesn't affect your gametes? Space cancer.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 3, 2016 19:57:10 GMT
I'm not sure that "biotics birth biotics" even makes much sense, to be honest, at least for non-asari. Biotics are created when free element zero forms nodules in the nervous system. A human mother wouldn't pass eezo to her child, since she wouldn't have eezo in her bloodstream. Therefore, she wouldn't pass biotic potential to her child. (Nor, more likely, horrible cancers.) The asari have different physiology and come from worlds comparatively inundated with element zero. The natural foods and water of their world is often laced with eezo. They probably do have traces of element zero in their blood, and thus do pass such to their unborn children. Even the asari would see their biotics fade with a dearth of eezo, as you said. You can't keep producing future biotics without consuming the eezo that creates them. I recall that when humans were being scumbags and artificially exposing babies and expecting mothers to eezo a lot of babs got tumours? I think Kaidan said it? Memory is failing me. If it does act like a cancer then it's entirely possible that it causes mutations in DNA like regular cancer. Which potentially could be passed on to a fetus in a sci-fantasy scenario. Whose to say eezo doesn't affect your gametes? Space cancer. Possibly, but I never meant to suggest otherwise. Eezo is essential to produce biotic potential, and that's not something a human mother would pass to her child. That was my main point. I suspect the direct presence of the eezo is what triggers the cancers. Learning years down the road that exposure had mutated your gametes would suck. Maybe it could be corrected, maybe not. ME gene therapy seems unreliable, dependent entirely upon plot, and never cheap. We need more of these kind of side conversations in-game. In the Dragon Age series, you're always finding fascinating conversations and personal stories in note form. Granted, the game tells too much of its story via text and notes, but these little side stories are fun. I wish ME had more of this.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 3, 2016 20:27:54 GMT
I recall that when humans were being scumbags and artificially exposing babies and expecting mothers to eezo a lot of babs got tumours? I think Kaidan said it? Memory is failing me. If it does act like a cancer then it's entirely possible that it causes mutations in DNA like regular cancer. Which potentially could be passed on to a fetus in a sci-fantasy scenario. Whose to say eezo doesn't affect your gametes? Space cancer. Possibly, but I never meant to suggest otherwise. Eezo is essential to produce biotic potential, and that's not something a human mother would pass to her child. That was my main point. I suspect the direct presence of the eezo is what triggers the cancers. Learning years down the road that exposure had mutated your gametes would suck. Maybe it could be corrected, maybe not. ME gene therapy seems unreliable, dependent entirely upon plot, and never cheap. We need more of these kind of side conversations in-game. In the Dragon Age series, you're always finding fascinating conversations and personal stories in note form. Granted, the game tells too much of its story via text and notes, but these little side stories are fun. I wish ME had more of this. Aaah but if it is space cancer then biotic potential COULD be passed to a baby from the mum. But nature is crazy and it could end up with humans turning blue eventually. I love stuff like this, someone talk theoretical sci-fi biology with me
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 3, 2016 20:30:55 GMT
Possibly, but I never meant to suggest otherwise. Eezo is essential to produce biotic potential, and that's not something a human mother would pass to her child. That was my main point. I suspect the direct presence of the eezo is what triggers the cancers. Learning years down the road that exposure had mutated your gametes would suck. Maybe it could be corrected, maybe not. ME gene therapy seems unreliable, dependent entirely upon plot, and never cheap. We need more of these kind of side conversations in-game. In the Dragon Age series, you're always finding fascinating conversations and personal stories in note form. Granted, the game tells too much of its story via text and notes, but these little side stories are fun. I wish ME had more of this. Aaah but if it is space cancer then biotic potential COULD be passed to a baby from the mum. But nature is crazy and it could end up with humans turning blue eventually. I love stuff like this, someone talk theoretical sci-fi biology with me Naaah. You gotta have those eezo nodules in the nervous system for biotic potential. Cancer can't produce eezo. You need super novas to do that.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 3, 2016 20:36:16 GMT
Aaah but if it is space cancer then biotic potential COULD be passed to a baby from the mum. But nature is crazy and it could end up with humans turning blue eventually. I love stuff like this, someone talk theoretical sci-fi biology with me Naaah. You gotta have those eezo nodules in the nervous system for biotic potential. Cancer can't produce eezo. You need super novas to do that. No but like what if you could have eezo nodules but the biotic potential wasn't there? What if you needed a certain gene for you to harness biotic power? Do you think if a human was pre-disposed to harnessing biotics but wasn't exposed to eezo in the womb and went to live on Thessia they could develop them over time? Even if they weren't born with them already in their nervous system?
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 3, 2016 20:52:03 GMT
Naaah. You gotta have those eezo nodules in the nervous system for biotic potential. Cancer can't produce eezo. You need super novas to do that. No but like what if you could have eezo nodules but the biotic potential wasn't there? What if you needed a certain gene for you to harness biotic power? Do you think if a human was pre-disposed to harnessing biotics but wasn't exposed to eezo in the womb and went to live on Thessia they could develop them over time? Even if they weren't born with them already in their nervous system? If you went to Thessia, you'd presumably be drinking and eating "sanitized" food and water, or else risk harmful element zero exposure, same as via any accidental exposure on Earth. More than likely, you'd eventually end up dead from eezo exposure, otherwise. That's the norm. (I wonder how long it would take? We don't know how those eezo levels are, really.) I assume there is a genetic component involved as to why most get "dead", while a few end up "superman". Generally, aligning this with real life health, it isn't as simple as "you have the gene". There are many factors and many genes at work to produce the circumstances that might allow a biotic to be created. A few of those exposed get lucky, and their bodies prove more resistant to the presence of the eezo. Some of these may one day be able to learn to use its presence to produce biotics. Humans haven't really figured out how to consistently make it happen, yet. (This makes Miranda's story a bit weird. I like her, though, so I try not to think about it too much.) Edit: I just read your post again. I think I addressed it backward, in part. I think that learning to use an amp to send electrical impulses through the nodules is mostly a matter of skill and discipline, rather than any genetic potential. Genetics might keep you alive past exposure, but turning survivor status into biotic status is a matter of training.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 3, 2016 20:57:44 GMT
No but like what if you could have eezo nodules but the biotic potential wasn't there? What if you needed a certain gene for you to harness biotic power? Do you think if a human was pre-disposed to harnessing biotics but wasn't exposed to eezo in the womb and went to live on Thessia they could develop them over time? Even if they weren't born with them already in their nervous system? If you went to Thessia, you'd presumably be drinking and eating "sanitized" food and water, or else risk harmful element zero exposure, same as via any accidental exposure on Earth. More than likely, you'd eventually end up dead from eezo exposure, otherwise. That's the norm. (I wonder how long it would take? We don't know how those eezo levels are, really.) I assume there is a genetic component involved as to why most get "dead", while a few end up "superman". Generally, aligning this with real life health, it isn't as simple as "you have the gene". There are many factors and many genes at work to produce the circumstances that might allow a biotic to be created. A few of those exposed get lucky, and their bodies prove more resistant to the presence of the eezo. Some of these may one day be able to learn to use its presence to produce biotics. Humans haven't really figured out how to consistently make it happen, yet. (This makes Miranda's story a bit weird. I like her, though, so I try not to think about it too much.) Ahah you don't have to explain the complexity of genetics to me, *looks at BSc Biological Sciences Degree* I was trying to keep my concepts simple for the sake of conversation. Aaaaah I want to be a space wizard
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Post by Sifr on Dec 3, 2016 23:30:44 GMT
I recall that when humans were being scumbags and artificially exposing babies and expecting mothers to eezo a lot of babs got tumours? I think Kaidan said it? Memory is failing me. If it does act like a cancer then it's entirely possible that it causes mutations in DNA like regular cancer. Which potentially could be passed on to a fetus in a sci-fantasy scenario. Whose to say eezo doesn't affect your gametes? Space cancer. Yeah, Kaidan mentions in ME1 that Conatix may have intentionally caused "accidents" that spread eezo with the intention of creating biotic children in pregnant women, as they seemed to be suspiciously fast on the scene whenever it happened. Kaidan's mother for instance was downwind of a transport crash in Singapore while pregnant with him. Likewise, Shepard's mother (regardless of background) was at some point exposed to eezo during her pregnancy, which is how Shepard may have been born with biotic abilities. It seems there are four outcomes for these situations; either the child is born normal and healthy, suffers horrible mutations and cancers, develops biotic abilities that manifest at birth or are born with latent biotic potential, that manifests after secondary exposure. Kaidan and Jack were born with their abilities already switched on, while Biotic Shepard only manifested after secondary exposure at around 16. The reason a Biotic Shepard never ended up in BAaT was because the program had been shut down by the time they manifested, while the Ascension Project and Grissom Academy wouldn't be started until a few years after they'd already joined the military.
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 4, 2016 1:34:17 GMT
I recall that when humans were being scumbags and artificially exposing babies and expecting mothers to eezo a lot of babs got tumours? I think Kaidan said it? Memory is failing me. If it does act like a cancer then it's entirely possible that it causes mutations in DNA like regular cancer. Which potentially could be passed on to a fetus in a sci-fantasy scenario. Whose to say eezo doesn't affect your gametes? Space cancer. Kaidan and Jack were born with their abilities already switched on, while Biotic Shepard only manifested after secondary exposure at around 16. The reason a Biotic Shepard never ended up in BAaT was because the program had been shut down by the time they manifested, while the Ascension Project and Grissom Academy wouldn't be started until a few years after they'd already joined the military. Btw, where did Shepard get his biotic training? I don't remember if that is ever mention in the games.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 3:49:42 GMT
We have yet to see the natives even use mass effect tech, though, right? I mean, the Remnant most likely had it, since they had a civilization that spanned the cluster... or did they have different FTL tech? It doesn't seem like they have mass effect relays, but I would think element zero probably has something to do with their means of space travel. Even if the Andromedans were able to create wormholes it is possible element zero is involved. The most powerful biotics are able to create mini black holes for instance (singularity), so it might be possible within the mass effect universe to use element zero & the mass effect to create a wormhole.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 5:10:30 GMT
I must mention Biotic God.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 4, 2016 6:46:13 GMT
Btw, where did Shepard get his biotic training? I don't remember if that is ever mention in the games. The Alliance teaches Biotics how to handle their abilities as part of basic training, as well as fitting them with implants if they didn't have them already. Traynor mentions in ME3 that most Biotics who now serve in the Alliance tend to come from the Ascension Project, which Shepard probably would have done, had it'd been around back then.
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