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Post by felipejiraya on Aug 6, 2016 4:43:11 GMT
That's the million dollar question about ME:A. How (and within which circunstances) the characters will get to Andromeda. Everybody has a theory about it, share it yours!
I think the arks will leave the Milky Way after Arrival and before the start of ME3 even if the technology (especially the Kodiak in the recent E3 trailer) appears to be more advanced than it was in the trilogy. This timeframe gives a plausible explanation on why Shepard didn't know about the effort (he was in custody of the Alliance) and also gives BioWare a chance to avoid the endings.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Aug 6, 2016 7:18:11 GMT
There's also a short time frame to build these arks as well, & if we leave from earth inbetween ME2 Arrival, & ME3 start, I guarantee the Illusive Man/ Cerberus knows about the arks from a story PoV.
I bet you the Vikings made it to Andromeda first tho.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 6, 2016 8:36:53 GMT
My theory is that the Ark ships use experimental technology salvaged either from the Reapers or the Protheans, and we'll leave sometime before or around the start of Mass Effect 3.
The trip will still take an incredibly long amount of time in the hundreds of years, so stasis pods are used(which lines up with femRyder waking up at the end of the trailer).
This way you create some quick excuse as to how the ships can make it and it sidesteps the issue of having to deal with any of the major choices from Mass Effect 3 that would cause too much divergence in the plot lines.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 6, 2016 9:41:29 GMT
They really need to explain how the galactic science and engineering community solved the practical hurdles of long-distance travel seemingly overnight. I mean, they went from "Galactic exploration is virtually impossible without the Mass Relays" to "Yeah we can go to Andromeda, no big deal".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 9:48:47 GMT
They really need to explain how the galactic science and engineering community solved the practical hurdles of long-distance travel seemingly overnight. I mean, they went from "Galactic exploration is virtually impossible without the Mass Relays" to "Yeah we can go to Andromeda, no big deal". I'm a MEA optimist but I don't really have a lot of faith that they will put much effort into explaining new inter-galactic travel technology. I expect they'll handwave away the technology like they did with the ME3 Prothean...giant space dick thing. Having a brain fart and cannot remember the name of that thing. At any rate, I'm willing to accept whatever space magic nonsense gobbledy gook they offer to move along with the story. Just don't abuse my suspension of belief Bioware!
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Post by Arcian on Aug 6, 2016 9:54:20 GMT
They really need to explain how the galactic science and engineering community solved the practical hurdles of long-distance travel seemingly overnight. I mean, they went from "Galactic exploration is virtually impossible without the Mass Relays" to "Yeah we can go to Andromeda, no big deal". I'm a MEA optimist but I don't really have a lot of faith that they will put much effort into explaining new inter-galactic travel technology. I expect they'll handwave away the technology like they did with the ME3 Prothean...giant space dick thing. Having a brain fart and cannot remember the name of that thing. At any rate, I'm willing to accept whatever space magic nonsense gobbledy gook they offer to move along with the story. Just don't abuse my suspension of belief Bioware! I take it you are referring to the Crucible?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 9:55:46 GMT
I'm a MEA optimist but I don't really have a lot of faith that they will put much effort into explaining new inter-galactic travel technology. I expect they'll handwave away the technology like they did with the ME3 Prothean...giant space dick thing. Having a brain fart and cannot remember the name of that thing. At any rate, I'm willing to accept whatever space magic nonsense gobbledy gook they offer to move along with the story. Just don't abuse my suspension of belief Bioware! I take it you are referring to the Crucible? Yes! It was on the tip of my tongue. Even googled "Mass Effect Giant Space Dick" without success. Thanks, that would bug me all day!
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Post by Arcian on Aug 6, 2016 9:59:32 GMT
I take it you are referring to the Crucible? Yes! It was on the tip of my tongue. Even googled "Mass Effect Giant Space Dick" without success. Thanks, that would bug me all day! Riskiest google search of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 10:02:16 GMT
Yes! It was on the tip of my tongue. Even googled "Mass Effect Giant Space Dick" without success. Thanks, that would bug me all day! Riskiest google search of the day. Did not think of the dangers. Whew! Made it back unscathed!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 10:04:41 GMT
I think that the arks leave after the reapers arrive, but of course before the ending and big decisions ie. curing the genophage/choosing between geth and quarians. I think that Shepard doesn't need the information of this expedition so he/she wasn't told. I thinks Prothean/Reaper tech was somehow used to make the journey possible. Also I speculate that not all the arks made it, or they strayed from the course. So if we don't see all the MW races in the game, maybe there will be DLC:s they will be in. Also I truly, truly hope to see Geth in Andromeda.
So if we leave in the beginning of ME3, the decisions from ME1&2 could still have an effect. Those decisions have a smaller effect, but would be a nice feature all the same. And be a small nod towards old fans.
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Post by Pearl on Aug 6, 2016 10:06:55 GMT
My theory is that the Ark ships use experimental technology salvaged either from the Reapers or the Protheans, and we'll leave sometime before or around the start of Mass Effect 3. The Prothean link is something I hadn't even considered until reading this, and it actually makes a fair amount of sense. I don't recall too many mentions of cryosleep (or something similar) apart from Ilos and other associated Prothean sites. It's possible that the Council sent a team out there after the defeat of Saren, and spent the entirety of the ME2 timeline studying/prototyping it behind the scenes. But what do I know, I'm not a loreologist.
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Post by Ahriman on Aug 6, 2016 11:20:04 GMT
I do hope for a reasonable enough explanation, but don't really expect it. At first I thought they could use Core salvaged from Sovy, like plugging this thing in and hoping for the best. Turned out there is more than one Ark, so they actually had to create/reproduce technology for intergalactic travel. As for the timeline, I guess construction started after ME1 and departure is right before ME3, giving them 2-3 years for construction. So if we leave in the beginning of ME3, the decisions from ME1&2 could still have an effect. Which decisions do you have in mind? Council did send large expedition to Illos and closed the planet to public. So cryosleep is the smallest issue here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 11:46:58 GMT
The green asari come to mind, and destroying/saving collector base. Saving/killing the Rachni Queen. Of course these have already been addressed in ME3, I know. Some other smaller things, not hugely impacting the overall story.
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Post by Ahriman on Aug 6, 2016 12:01:08 GMT
The green asari come to mind, and destroying/saving collector base. Saving/killing the Rachni Queen. Of course these have already been addressed in ME3, I know. Some other smaller things, not hugely impacting the overall story. Shiala is on Feros during ME3. Rachni Queen is held by Reapers. Collector Base is in Cerberus hands, unless you suggest that they invested in Arks too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 12:02:42 GMT
The green asari come to mind, and destroying/saving collector base. Saving/killing the Rachni Queen. Of course these have already been addressed in ME3, I know. Some other smaller things, not hugely impacting the overall story. Shiala is on Feros during ME3. Rachni Queen is held by Reapers. Collector Base is in Cerberus hands, unless you suggest that they invested in Arks too. Don't know, but we'll see eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 12:27:49 GMT
The green asari come to mind, and destroying/saving collector base. Saving/killing the Rachni Queen. Of course these have already been addressed in ME3, I know. Some other smaller things, not hugely impacting the overall story. Shiala is on Feros during ME3. Rachni Queen is held by Reapers. Collector Base is in Cerberus hands, unless you suggest that they invested in Arks too. Also I don't mean that they have come with us. Just their existence/fate (before ME3) to be acknowledged.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Aug 6, 2016 12:30:53 GMT
Between the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions I always assumed the Council had a doomsday contingency plan ready for a rainy day, they just never had to use it until the Reapers came.
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Post by dalinne on Aug 6, 2016 12:34:52 GMT
I'm copy pasting two theories I came up with in the DeadForum (aka: the original offical one ) : The problem is once more the Reaper invasion. The mission seems more adventurous than a last hope for survival. But at the same time, this has to happen BEFORE the endings of ME3. So, the only possible explanation I can come up with is... 1) The ARKON Initiative was born many years (even twenty or so years) BEFORE Reaper Invasion. 2) ARKON Initiave was initially a human project for expansion and human colonization outside Milky Way. Also, the Initiative was privately funded. 3) Other alien enterprises (linked to volus folk, Asari, Turians, etc.) like the idea and they also participate and contribuited in the Initiative. However, ARKON Project keeps being essentially a human project. (Hell, maybe other alien enterprises start to copy the idea and make their own arks). 4) After Sovereign Attack, few people from ARKON Initiative start to see the project as a way of go out from the Galaxy in case of a Reaper Invasion. However, most of the people from ARKON Initiative don't believe in Reaper invasion and they start to look for volunteers for exploration. People start to sign for different reasons. 5) Reapers start the attack. The Alliance and other military branches from the Council take over the Project. The ARKON Initiative is renamed as The Ark Project. They start to select civilians from all races in order to have a Plan B for the survival of milky way species. 6) At some point before the ending, the Arks are attack and they have to left before being obliterated. So, this way we have two types of people in the Arks: 1) A bunch of people interested in leave Andromeda BEFORE Reaper Invasion for any reason (to explore, to escape from their past, etc.) 2) A great majority of civilians from different alien races I think she [Ryder] simply went to cryo in the middle of a combat. Maybe the Project wasn't totally ready for lunch and they had to rush it in order to survive. Perhaps the Reapers/baddies-who-force-us-to-leave-Milky-Way discovered the Ark Project and try to destroy it. That's why we are with the armor on and that's why she shows so much relief to see they are alive. The problem was not only the slim possibility of survive the journey to Andromeda, but the Project is not ready and suddlenly the project is in the middle of a warzone. Start the game with a little cinematic introduction of the project (what it is, why, how they are organizing everything) and who we are (and our family) . Then, we are under attack (as every single game of Mass Effect does, especially ME2 and ME3).
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 6, 2016 23:08:41 GMT
My theory is that the Ark ships use experimental technology salvaged either from the Reapers or the Protheans, and we'll leave sometime before or around the start of Mass Effect 3. The Prothean link is something I hadn't even considered until reading this, and it actually makes a fair amount of sense. I don't recall too many mentions of cryosleep (or something similar) apart from Ilos and other associated Prothean sites. It's possible that the Council sent a team out there after the defeat of Saren, and spent the entirety of the ME2 timeline studying/prototyping it behind the scenes. But what do I know, I'm not a loreologist. During a conversation with Anderson in Mass Effect 2 you can tell him that they should have people talk to Vigil on Ilos to which he responds that the VI shut down after talking to Shep and nobody else can get anything out of him. So that alone suggests that they sent teams to study Ilos, which makes sense given that Shep would give them a full report on it after Mass Effect 1 ended. The other thing to note is that Ilos' purpose was to study mass relay technology and they even built the conduit, which was a working prototype. So it only makes sense that the council would use what data they can salvage from that place to try and build something themselves. You've also got the wreckage of Sovereign to look at for some parts. Specifically, the part where ships need to ground themselves every so often to discharge electrical build up in the hulls. Reapers don't seem to need to do that, but in lore it's something that would need to be addressed to make it all the way to Andromeda.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 6, 2016 23:54:33 GMT
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Yes, how do we get there? Well, Titan Books, the publisher of the prequel novel The Andromeda Initiative, mentioned in their description that some of the text will be canonical.
Now, I don't know about you, but to me it seems the text will bypass any trilogy inconsistency or "road blocks" to a faster FTL drive and make that tech available going forward with the new ME games. This new FTL drive make it possible to get to Andromeda within 600 years.
This may upset some, but, hey, ME:A will start fresh.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2016 23:54:49 GMT
I'm still hoping they go with something along the lines of the Black Ark Theory.
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Post by goishen on Aug 7, 2016 0:01:18 GMT
[snip] 6) At some point before the ending, the Arks are attack and they have to left before being obliterated. I think she [Ryder] simply went to cryo in the middle of a combat. Maybe the Project wasn't totally ready for lunch and they had to rush it in order to survive. Perhaps the Reapers/baddies-who-force-us-to-leave-Milky-Way discovered the Ark Project and try to destroy it. That's why we are with the armor on and that's why she shows so much relief to see they are alive. The problem was not only the slim possibility of survive the journey to Andromeda, but the Project is not ready and suddlenly the project is in the middle of a warzone. [snip] I think, in adding to this, and what adding to what the developers have said... That Ryder wasn't anyone special. His/her story goes from being a civilian to being a hero, rather than, like Shepard, going from a hero to becoming a legend. So, I'm thinking she has something to do with defense of the ark ship. Whether it's weapons, or engineer, or shields, or hell, maybe even ground support. I'm thinking it's one of the others though (weapons, shields, or engineer).
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 7, 2016 0:06:35 GMT
I think that the arks leave after the reapers arrive, but of course before the ending and big decisions ie. curing the genophage/choosing between geth and quarians. I think that Shepard doesn't need the information of this expedition so he/she wasn't told. I thinks Prothean/Reaper tech was somehow used to make the journey possible. Also I speculate that not all the arks made it, or they strayed from the course. So if we don't see all the MW races in the game, maybe there will be DLC:s they will be in. Also I truly, truly hope to see Geth in Andromeda. So if we leave in the beginning of ME3, the decisions from ME1&2 could still have an effect. Those decisions have a smaller effect, but would be a nice feature all the same. And be a small nod towards old fans. <<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. Shep's goodbye speech as the ARKs were leaving, tells me it's the beginning of ME3. But, if the prequel novel introduces new canonical text, my theory can go out of the window and so can everyone else's. So, at this point, while we can speculate why our individual theories are better, the novel will cement Bio's new FTL tech and more. The more = I expect to see some familiar faces from ME1 & 2. Actually, this new canon text (whatever it is) makes sense and will clear Bio's upcoming stories in Andromeda
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2016 0:09:29 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Yes, how do we get there? Well, Titan Books, the publisher of the prequel novel The Andromeda Initiative, mentioned in their description that some of the text will be canonical. Now, I don't know about you, but to me it seems the text will bypass any trilogy inconsistency or "road blocks" to a faster FTL drive and make that tech available going forward with the new ME games. This new FTL drive make it possible to get to Andromeda within 600 years. This may upset some, but, hey, ME:A will start fresh. If they do introduce such explanations in the book, they better still introduce it in the games as well. Bioware needs to stop their bad habit of thinking since the books are out they don't need to explain certain things.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 7, 2016 0:11:54 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Yes, how do we get there? Well, Titan Books, the publisher of the prequel novel The Andromeda Initiative, mentioned in their description that some of the text will be canonical. Now, I don't know about you, but to me it seems the text will bypass any trilogy inconsistency or "road blocks" to a faster FTL drive and make that tech available going forward with the new ME games. This new FTL drive make it possible to get to Andromeda within 600 years. This may upset some, but, hey, ME:A will start fresh. It will more likely (and hopefully) go into detail how the hell they're suddenly able to cross intergalactic voids and not just expect us to take their word for it as you insultingly seems to imply we should. I still doubt any of the possible explanations they may come up with will be satisfactory, but at least they will have tried.
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