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Post by midnight tea on Nov 11, 2016 3:36:37 GMT
Its Steve, Kupo! @saofollower @macwalterslives Quick question: Chronology, if I'm correct, the A.I. started pre-reaper war. So why are they looking for a new homeworld? Mac Walters @macwalterslives Originally? Same answer as to "Why go to the moon?" Or Mars; Curiosity. Ambition. Discovery. Because nobody had ever done it before... Such a nonsensical reason considering how much stuff is inbetween us and Andromeda that would be the same. Not in that universe, apparently. If you paid attention, you'd know that they've found habitable planets in Andromeda and they're heading towards them. It might be that other 'closer' places (although how much closer or promising a galaxy can be that one that is actually on collision course with Milky Way?) were researched, but didn't yield as much of a promise in terms of wither exploration, discovery, or finding new places for habituation.
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Post by bshep on Nov 11, 2016 3:36:46 GMT
Its Steve, Kupo! @saofollower @macwalterslives Quick question: Chronology, if I'm correct, the A.I. started pre-reaper war. So why are they looking for a new homeworld? Mac Walters @macwalterslives Originally? Same answer as to "Why go to the moon?" Or Mars; Curiosity. Ambition. Discovery. Because nobody had ever done it before... Such a nonsensical reason considering how much stuff is inbetween us and Andromeda that would be the same. Do you also call current space exploration nonsense?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 3:43:31 GMT
Such a nonsensical reason considering how much stuff is inbetween us and Andromeda that would be the same. Not in that universe, apparently. If you paid attention, you'd know that they've found habitable planets in Andromeda and they're heading towards them. It might be that other 'closer' places (although how much closer or promising a galaxy can be that one that is actually on collision course with Milky Way?) were researched, but didn't yield as much of a promise in terms of wither exploration, discovery, or finding new places for habituation. Which is even more nonsensical. To suggest that there is nothing in the Milky Way or one of the satellite galaxies orbiting it, either the several dwarf galaxies or the two Magellanic Clouds, have any habitable planets akin to what is in the Helius Cluster of Andromeda is objectively stupid. Do you also call current space exploration nonsense? Current space exploration is focusing on what is close by first in terms of sending stuff there. If NASA proposed a plan to send a probe to a star on the other end of the Milky Way, yes I would call that nonsense.
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Post by wintermoons on Nov 11, 2016 3:51:04 GMT
Current space exploration is focusing on what is close by first in terms of sending stuff there. If NASA proposed a plan to send a probe to a star on the other end of the Milky Way, yes I would call that nonsense. I would argue that's exactly what Voyager 1 is doing. NASA launched it in 1977 to head for a star about 18 light years away from us, and it's expected to arrive in about 40,000 years. And it's doing absolutely nothing out there but trucking along, having a look around, and sending back data. NASA had to have fully realized from the day they started making it that it wouldn't even be functional anymore by the time it reaches it's destination. Given that the Milky way is 100K light years in diameter it's not exactly 'on the other end of it' but it's as far out as we can get with today's technology. I'd say that's the only reason we haven't sent things out to the other end of the Milky Way yet--we don't have the technology right now.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 3:56:27 GMT
Current space exploration is focusing on what is close by first in terms of sending stuff there. If NASA proposed a plan to send a probe to a star on the other end of the Milky Way, yes I would call that nonsense. I would argue that's exactly what Voyager 1 is doing. NASA launched it in 1977 which and it's headed for a star about 18 light years away from us. Given that the Milky way is 100K light years in diameter it's not exactly on the other end of it but it's as far out as we can get with today's technology. I'd say that's the only reason we haven't sent things out to the other end of the Milky Way yet--we don't have the technology right now. No, the mission of Voyager 1 and 2 was to explore the planets in our solar system. It's purpose was never to go to a star or planet on the other side of the galaxy. You are right that NASA is using the circumstances to do something now, which is explore the far reaches of the solar system beyond the Kuiper Belt, but that was not the mission at launch so is not the same. And NASA is not using Voyager 1 to explore that star. We'd never get any information from it, both because the trip will take eons and most importantly because Voyager 1 only has about a decade of juice left. Around 2025 Voyager 1's reactor will be depleted and it will be dead in space.
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Post by bshep on Nov 11, 2016 4:00:20 GMT
Not in that universe, apparently. If you paid attention, you'd know that they've found habitable planets in Andromeda and they're heading towards them. It might be that other 'closer' places (although how much closer or promising a galaxy can be that one that is actually on collision course with Milky Way?) were researched, but didn't yield as much of a promise in terms of wither exploration, discovery, or finding new places for habituation. Which is even more nonsensical. To suggest that there is nothing in the Milky Way or one of the satellite galaxies orbiting it, either the several dwarf galaxies or the two Magellanic Clouds, have any habitable planets akin to what is in the Helius Cluster of Andromeda is objectively stupid. Do you also call current space exploration nonsense? Current space exploration is focusing on what is close by first in terms of sending stuff there. If NASA proposed a plan to send a probe to a star on the other end of the Milky Way, yes I would call that nonsense. Then i believe you really don't get why we send people and probes to space. It's like Mac said, we go there to explore, to discover, to learn, to become better people. The Only reason why Nasa, ESA, Roscosmos etcetera don't send a mission to the edges of the galaxy is simply because right now we don't have the technology (even thought we already send ships to the end of the Solar System). So people in ME Universe going to Andromeda is the continuation of this desire allied with the technology to actually do it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 4:07:13 GMT
Which is even more nonsensical. To suggest that there is nothing in the Milky Way or one of the satellite galaxies orbiting it, either the several dwarf galaxies or the two Magellanic Clouds, have any habitable planets akin to what is in the Helius Cluster of Andromeda is objectively stupid. Current space exploration is focusing on what is close by first in terms of sending stuff there. If NASA proposed a plan to send a probe to a star on the other end of the Milky Way, yes I would call that nonsense. Then i believe you really don't get why we send people and probes to space. It's like Mac said, we go there to explore, to discover, to learn, to become better people. The Only reason why Nasa, ESA, Roscosmos etcetera don't send a mission to the edges of the galaxy is simply because right now we don't have the technology (even thought we already send ships to the end of the Solar System). So people in ME Universe going to Andromeda is the continuation of this desire allied with the technology to actually do it. No, I get why we send people and objects into space. We are just logical in how we do it. Logically, we would not go to another galaxy until we have explored this one fully just like we would not go to another star system until we have explored this one fully. We may talk about it as a someday, but will never actually do it until our curiosity and other desires for what is closer have been sated. There is no logical or even illogical reason to do that until then. And no, the people of the MEU do not have the technology to do it. The lore stated that.
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Post by BioFan on Nov 11, 2016 4:15:18 GMT
Just wanted to post and say I appreciate all the tweet grabbers and how hard they work, I feel ya, trust me. But more importantly, I wanted to thank you all for being such a positive corner of the fandom you're appreciated in turn man you synthesize news in a fun and engaging way and are always enthusiastic. Just wanted to post and say I appreciate all the tweet grabbers and how hard they work, I feel ya, trust me. But more importantly, I wanted to thank you all for being such a positive corner of the fandom aw, shucks we appreciate you too, bro. Just wanted to post and say I appreciate all the tweet grabbers and how hard they work, I feel ya, trust me. But more importantly, I wanted to thank you all for being such a positive corner of the fandom x100000. Every time I leave this thread I get into fights. Twitter goons *group hug*
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 11, 2016 4:57:11 GMT
Not in that universe, apparently. If you paid attention, you'd know that they've found habitable planets in Andromeda and they're heading towards them. It might be that other 'closer' places (although how much closer or promising a galaxy can be that one that is actually on collision course with Milky Way?) were researched, but didn't yield as much of a promise in terms of wither exploration, discovery, or finding new places for habituation. Which is even more nonsensical. To suggest that there is nothing in the Milky Way or one of the satellite galaxies orbiting it, either the several dwarf galaxies or the two Magellanic Clouds, have any habitable planets akin to what is in the Helius Cluster of Andromeda is objectively stupid. Stop using word "objectively". Again, I stumble upon you using it in order to legitimize your ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE opinion. And no - they're NOT suggesting there's nothing; just likely not enough for such a large project, that likely costs colossal money and takes thousands of people across space to land in a new galaxy 600 years later. I mean, MEA ain't even out yet - and you're deeming things in absolutist way even though we don't yet know all the details. Though it's certainly *objectively accurate* that a whole huge galaxy that is Andromeda likely has way more planetary systems able to suport life. And then there's the in-game fact (that we know for 100%) that there are are alien life forms there, which include some sort of remains of ancient civilization - and we do not yet know if this wasn't a decisive factor to venture there in the first place. Then there's the fact that Andromeda Initiative will at least attempt to establish some sort of route between both galaxies. And hey, if anything else - it only makes sense for them to try and colonize Andromeda, given that *eventually* both it and Milky Way will be one. You miss the fact that MEA doesn't happens in OUR world, with OUR level of technology, but something way more advanced. In that universe, humanity has already been traveling on other side of galaxies and exploring space outside of galaxy with far superior technology than ours, together with other civilizations that are way advanced than ours. Disregarding that... well, THAT is nonsense.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 5:46:09 GMT
Which is even more nonsensical. To suggest that there is nothing in the Milky Way or one of the satellite galaxies orbiting it, either the several dwarf galaxies or the two Magellanic Clouds, have any habitable planets akin to what is in the Helius Cluster of Andromeda is objectively stupid. *snip* Stop using word "objectively". Again, I stumble upon you using it in order to your legitimize your ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE opinion. And no - they're NOT suggesting there's nothing; just likely not enough for such a large project that likely costs colossal money and takes thousands of people across space to land in a new galaxy 600 years later. I mean, MEA ain't even out yet - and you're deeming things in absolutist way even though we don't know yet all the detail. Though it's certainly *objectively accurate* that a whole huge galaxy that is Andromeda is likely has way more planetary systems able to suport life. And then there's the in-game (that we know for 100%) that there are are alien life forms there, which include some sort of remains of ancient civilization - and we do not yet know if this wasn't a decisive factor to venture there in the first place. Then there's the fact that Andromeda Initiative will at least attempt to establish some sort of route between both galaxies. And hey, if anything else - it only makes sense for them to try and colonize Andromeda, given that *eventually* both it and Milky Way will be one. You miss the fact that MEA doesn't happens in OUR world, with OUR level of technology, but something way more advanced. In that universe, humanity has already been traveling on other side of galaxies and exploring space outside of galaxy with far superior technology than ours, together with other civilizations that are way advanced than ours. Disregarding that... well, THAT is nonsense. No, it is not a subjective opinion. It is a fact. Your arguments in defense of this venture actually further support that. There are plenty of places closer that would cost less resources, so yet another reason why it is illogical and stupid to go further and spend more when the same thing is available closer and cheaper. What do we not know? Between the website and the devs answering questions, we know enough details now to determine these things like why we are going there. If you are going that far in the future to be a factor, it would then make more sense to just wait until they merge or get closer before venturing to it. It is called a parallel. The example I gave is on par with what is happening in the game, just scaled down to answer a real world response.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 11, 2016 5:57:27 GMT
Nope, just checked the 4K tech demo. He has more than 3 fingers. <sad face> Honestly, I'd much rather have a black dude than a quarian dude. Quarians would presumably be more likely found amongst the turians, so all hope is not yet lost for the quarian lovers. Solas, you asked if he could be a Vanguard. I guess he could be, but that's some serious biotic training for a police officer. Most biotics, especially someone on that level, you'd expect to find in the military. Still, all things are possible. I was thinking Liam would prove to be a bit older and more experienced, and here he's "young and energetic", so what do I know?
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Post by Dario on Nov 11, 2016 8:07:32 GMT
BioWare @biowareNew galaxy. New helmet. I do not understand why they chose to bring to Andromeda helmets that do not let you see your feet!!! In a unknown galaxy you have to explore!! Such a stupid choice....
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Post by Dario on Nov 11, 2016 8:09:25 GMT
The Initiative’s ultimate goal is to establish a permanent presence on the seemingly resource-rich frontier of Andromeda, and eventually create a reliable route between it and the Milky Way Galaxy." And this paves the way to a ton of other stories to be told!
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Post by Dario on Nov 11, 2016 8:13:01 GMT
Mac Walters @macwalterslives Just reviewed the End mission for #MassEffectAndromeda "The end mission"??? Oof.... I expect there are SEVERAL end missions, all different!! Please!!
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Post by Dario on Nov 11, 2016 8:14:19 GMT
Not Twitter but from the Joe Juba AMA purplecat222 8 points 27 minutes ago What can you tell us about Liam? Is he the black human from some of the teaser images? joejuba 2 points a minute ago I'm afraid I haven't seen the specific teaser images you're talking about, but Liam was black in the little bit we saw of his character model (he was normally in a space-suit). As for more about him, we should have a piece with more info on him and Peebee going up later today (or possibly tomorrow).
Could he be the one dropped by the Krogan in one of the leaks???
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Post by Dario on Nov 11, 2016 8:44:18 GMT
So a few of them know....interesting. I'm betting Alec Ryder is one of them. I think this is necessary and it also mandatory that this info is passed to our Ryder, otherwise we will not be able to completely identify ourself with him/her. We should know that Ryder knows and vice versa, and we know about the Reapers!!
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Post by Dario on Nov 11, 2016 8:58:52 GMT
Last thought: upon arriving, things go bad and the first planets tries to kill us. Isn't this a "first contact war"?? Will the Kett be the new Turians that we will learn to appreciate later? It has been said BioWare designed them in a way that we can sympathize with them...
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 11, 2016 9:13:53 GMT
No, it is not a subjective opinion. It is a fact... Lets not get wound up about this. Debating what is a 'fact' in a future/fantasy story is somewhat missing the point of it . Andromeda is, as Hitchcock put it, is the McGuffin of the story: MacGuffin: an object or device in a [game] film or a book which serves merely as a trigger for the plot.Firstly, whatever motivated the Andromeda Initiative, that's where the arks are going for new and isolated exploration, and Secondly, on with the tweets .
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Post by Adhin on Nov 11, 2016 9:26:04 GMT
The two questions that I don't like the answers to are two about DAI. One was about side quests, and the answer is that he doesn't really know what a side quest is in this game. This tells me that he's going to an area to explore, finding something, "Oh huh, you need this? Okay." Kind'a like DA:I. Think Blackwall here. The other one was about lessons they learned from DAI. This makes me nervous. I just wish that they'd have someone (like I dunno who) be your tactical officer and tell you when everything is ready and up to speed so you can take on your next critical mission. That's one thing that I just absolutely didn't like in DAI. Dropped into a world and .... Nothing. No army officer (even though I had Cullen) to tell me when the forces were ready. Nobody to tell me when the spies (even though I had Leliana) where ready. Nobody to tell me when the mages/templars were ready. So, you could stumble into the final battle wearing tier 1 armor, wielding a tier 1 weapon. I dunno. I'm prolly sounding too negative right now, although that's not really the way I mean it. Yeah, I can see where your coming from but I don't think those will be as big of issues in MEA. Only because of the setting though. DAI suffers, in large part, from it's setting and BioWares odd obsession (ever since ME2-ish) that whatever the main conflict was, dominated the side content so it 'all felt connected' in some misguided hope that it would add weight to those side missions. Then you get to DAI and literally every possible thing has to do with the baddie of the world. Like everything, no side quest no matter how small could be tied back to dealing with that thing. Plus the thing your getting at with the whole ambiguity of the power currency caused a huge disconnect. I mean it's not that the forces where ready, or the spies where back, it's that you finally delt with them wolves in that one area, or cleared out that one rift so you finally got that little bit of power to 'unlock' the story mission. Which is basically just a time gate, it's some old open world bullshit. Most open world games have dropped it because of just how irritating it is to have the story deadstop until you complete enough side objectives. Saints Row 2 did it, you'd be going along the story and then you'd just hit a roadblock and it would be all 'DO MORE SIDE STUFF' which basically boiled down to doing there stupid side shit like the sewer truck thing where you shot liquid poo at people for points? So yeah if MEA has some kinda arbitrary point system that you have to spend to continue main story points then yeah it's gonna suck. Because that created a bullshit disconnect between why you couldn't do a thing up till you could do a thing. Templars wont see you? Better go save some kittens till you've gotten enough 'power', instead of it being like needing to complete story related missions that had something to actually 'do' with getting power for the Templars, no more disconnect... I'm babbling... point is, the power system and theme of DAI created a lot of nonsensical disconnect. But all the other 'making the world bigger' stuff I think would work out a lot better in Mass Effect then Dragon Age. I mean driving around in the Nomad on a desolate planet sounds a hell of a lot funner then running on foot in a desert because using your slow ass horse means no banter. Especially with the whole no loading screens thing GI confirmed where we pick the planet and 'see it getting closer' while inside our ship then we walk to the bay, get in the Nomad and drive out onto the planet (which is gonna be a canned animation before we get to drive but still). That shits rad.. and I wont even be pissed theres no NPC's to talk to on that desolate planet.
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Post by LFS on Nov 11, 2016 10:18:33 GMT
@macwalterslives Just curious. Will there be some characters that are at odds with each other?
Mac Walters @macwalterslives Oh yes. Rivalries. Factions. Love. Hate. Jealousy. Revenge.
@macwalterslives Will ME:A romances involve stuff like taking LI out for dinner and dances?
Mac Walters @macwalterslives I suppose if you can find a good restaurant in the midst of an alien Galaxy, anything's possible.
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Soooo...What's Kett for 'Where is the nearest Taco Bell drive-thru?' Asking for a friend.
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Post by LFS on Nov 11, 2016 10:20:39 GMT
Michael Gamble @gamblemike [@abunchofpeople] One thing about Liam...he has really really cool hair.
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Post by Dekibra on Nov 11, 2016 10:25:48 GMT
Michael Gamble @gamblemike[@abunchofpeople] One thing about Liam...he has really really cool hair. Bioware & cool hair also:
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Post by LFS on Nov 11, 2016 10:27:03 GMT
Maybe he means 'cool' as in Liam gets great air flow over his largely bare scalp?
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Post by elitepinecone on Nov 11, 2016 10:34:36 GMT
"Most members of the Andromeda Initiative don't know about the Reaper threat" implication: a few do. interesting "By taking that out of the equation, the team opens up what I think are more interesting narrative branches for why people joined the Andromeda Initiative. What might someone be running from, if not the Reapers? Maybe they just want to make a fresh start. Maybe they need to hide. Personally, I think that approach will make getting to know characters more interesting." neat from the ama I think this is a super clever way to do arks - it means characters have more motivations for going to Andromeda than just "oh no Reapers". Also makes the game's theme more Wild West-y and about a new frontier, rather than just sadness at losing your entire galaxy.
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Post by KeiraH on Nov 11, 2016 10:59:32 GMT
Michael Gamble @gamblemike[@abunchofpeople] One thing about Liam...he has really really cool hair. Well, show us already!
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