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Confess what you trully want to know is if he still carries his handcuffs. Liaaaam... I have those cuffs you asked for... I hope you don't mind the color Tbh not my type of fetish but eh... to each his own. You guys have some weird sexual fantasies ideas.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Nov 17, 2016 11:52:36 GMT
That's what Mac Walters said on Twitter: Its Steve, Kupo! @saofollower@macwalterslives Quick question: Chronology, if I'm correct, the A.I. started pre-reaper war. So why are they looking for a new homeworld? Mac Walters @macwalterslives Originally? Same answer as to "Why go to the moon?" Or Mars; Curiosity. Ambition. Discovery. Because nobody had ever done it before... Originally? Sure, the reasons stated make sense why to found a research project like that, but it doesn't answer the question regarding the setting why we go there with a population of 100k (as far as we know). The question is it possible to go there is totally different from can we find a new homeworld there? So Mac didn't answer the question but with including "originally" he left the door open for a proper reason for leaving. According to the briefing video, the Andromeda Initiative has already detected garden worlds before leaving for Andromeda. And while it's possible that some of the higher-ups know about the Reaper threat, it doesn't seem like the regular people on the arks do. That most of the people on the arks set off to Andromeda because of a desire to settle there or in the name of scientific discovery seems plausible to me. A few hundred thousands is not that much when we're talking about a galaxy of trillions.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 17, 2016 12:02:10 GMT
Yes, but they sent to a near star, not the one in the other half of the galaxy. And of course, trying to colonize planets outside our star system makes perfect sense. I think it's exactly the same scenario. Before FTL they went on a centuries long, one-way trip, leaving everything behind to find a place to settle in an unknown Solar System which may or may not be able to sustain life, far away from any hope of support or rescue. It was a trip that would take mankind further than any human had ever gone before. No need to go further than the nearest Star to accomplish that. When we discovered the Relays going to the nearest star, or any star in the Milky Way, for that matter, became old news. Been there, done that. Every corner of the Galaxy was open for easy exploration and colonization. The next mountain to climb was no longer a new Star system, it was a new Galaxy. Notice how they only chose to go to the nearest Galaxy this time, not some further one. It's pretty much a direct parallel adjusted for the leap ahead in available technology. Makes perfect sense to me. Yet spending some unimaginable amount of credits to send hundreds of thousands people into nowhere doesn't make much sense to others. Manswell did that not because he was such an explorer, that was literally "I don't want to live on this planet anymore". If he did it 2185, he'd just settled somewhere in Terminus Systems.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 12:10:28 GMT
Yet spending some unimaginable amount of credits to send hundreds of thousands people into nowhere doesn't make much sense to others. Manswell did that not because he was such an explorer, that was literally "I don't want to live on this planet anymore". If he did it 2185, he'd just settled somewhere in Terminus Systems. Spending inordinate amounts of time and effort (not to mention risk of life) to climb Mount Everest doesn't make much sense to others but there were still people who did it.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Nov 17, 2016 12:16:56 GMT
I think it's exactly the same scenario. Before FTL they went on a centuries long, one-way trip, leaving everything behind to find a place to settle in an unknown Solar System which may or may not be able to sustain life, far away from any hope of support or rescue. It was a trip that would take mankind further than any human had ever gone before. No need to go further than the nearest Star to accomplish that. When we discovered the Relays going to the nearest star, or any star in the Milky Way, for that matter, became old news. Been there, done that. Every corner of the Galaxy was open for easy exploration and colonization. The next mountain to climb was no longer a new Star system, it was a new Galaxy. Notice how they only chose to go to the nearest Galaxy this time, not some further one. It's pretty much a direct parallel adjusted for the leap ahead in available technology. Makes perfect sense to me. Yet spending some unimaginable amount of credits to send hundreds of thousands people into nowhere doesn't make much sense to others. Manswell did that not because he was such an explorer, that was literally "I don't want to live on this planet anymore". If he did it 2185, he'd just settled somewhere in Terminus Systems. "Billionaire Victor Manswell, frustrated with the pace of official human space exploration, begins funding his own private spaceflight expedition."
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Post by Legenlorn on Nov 17, 2016 12:18:32 GMT
Soo...no one thrilled that fem ryder is the main/default protagonist? I thought it would make a lot of girls happy on here.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 17, 2016 12:19:05 GMT
Yet spending some unimaginable amount of credits to send hundreds of thousands people into nowhere doesn't make much sense to others. Manswell did that not because he was such an explorer, that was literally "I don't want to live on this planet anymore". If he did it 2185, he'd just settled somewhere in Terminus Systems. Spending inordinate amounts of time and effort (not to mention risk of life) to climb Mount Everest doesn't make much sense to others but there were still people who did it. Yet I don't see multiple corporations investing all their money to get thousands of people there. We have the technology to settle colony on Mars right now, if Walmart, Exxon Mobil and Apple invested all their money into it. But for some reason they don't. Why? Aren't we explorers? Aren't we travelers? What's wrong with their CEOs?
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 12:21:17 GMT
Yes, but they sent to a near star, not the one in the other half of the galaxy. And of course, trying to colonize planets outside our star system makes perfect sense. I think it's exactly the same scenario. Before FTL they went on a centuries long, one-way trip, leaving everything behind to find a place to settle in an unknown Solar System which may or may not be able to sustain life, far away from any hope of support or rescue. It was a trip that would take mankind further than any human had ever gone before. No need to go further than the nearest Star to accomplish that. When we discovered the Relays going to the nearest star, or any star in the Milky Way, for that matter, became old news. Been there, done that. Every corner of the Galaxy was open for easy exploration and colonization. The next mountain to climb was no longer a new Star system, it was a new Galaxy. Notice how they only chose to go to the nearest Galaxy this time, not some further one. It's pretty much a direct parallel adjusted for the leap ahead in available technology. Makes perfect sense to me. Not really. First, we do know exactly the level of technology humanity had before discovering FTL. So we don't know how exactly that trip was articulated (but cryogenic freezing and the tripping taking only decades points to an enormous leap in space flight technology from what we have now). Personally, I don't think there was much thought behind it from a writers perspective. They (probably just one) just found it would be a cool story to write for a small news and that never really mattered. A key difference would also be that there is not habitable planet in the Solar system, if we want that, we have to go to another star, which will obviously encourage that kind of adventure. But Andromeda? You don't need to go there to find worlds to colonize. This idea that the Milk Way becomes old news is absurd. We don't go to new places because they are new, but because we look to new opportunities. This idea that space exploration and colonization are adventures took to the sake of discovery itself or the thrill of it frankly has no place in real, coherent universes. But even if you go that route, the Milk Way is far from being ond news. We barely know it. And we can't travel far from relays, so we can't go anywhere, quite the opposite. We can only go to very few volumes. Anyway, this made me think of 'The Expanse' which shows a much more coherent and realistic development of the solar system. First we colonized Mars, and then the Belt and then the Jovian system. There is a ship trying that plans to go to a new planet but that's much latter in the universe history.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 12:22:14 GMT
Spending inordinate amounts of time and effort (not to mention risk of life) to climb Mount Everest doesn't make much sense to others but there were still people who did it. What's wrong with their CEOs? They live in the real world.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 12:30:57 GMT
Spending inordinate amounts of time and effort (not to mention risk of life) to climb Mount Everest doesn't make much sense to others but there were still people who did it. Yet I don't see multiple corporations investing all their money to get thousands of people there. We have the technology to settle colony on Mars right now, if Walmart, Exxon Mobil and Apple invested all their money into it. But for some reason they don't. Why? Aren't we explorers? Aren't we travelers? What's wrong with their CEOs? You seem to be missing the point. Of course Corporations aren't going to be investing in it - they are guaranteed zero return (other than the potential for getting brand recognition in sponsoring, I suppose). The reason for going to Andromeda is the same reason as climbing Mount Everest . It's all about being the first to accomplish something incredible and nothing whatsoever to do with monetary gain. A rich private individual was behind this project not corporations. It's a dream to take mankind further than we ever dreamed possible not to make money.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Nov 17, 2016 12:32:01 GMT
Soo...no one thrilled that fem ryder is the main/default protagonist? I thought it would make a lot of girls happy on here. Eh, I'll believe it when I see it. So far we've had a 10-second shot of Sara Ryder in the E3 trailer while Scott's been featured exclusively in the 3mn PS4 Pro footage and the 1.5mn N7 trailer. Deluxe and Super Deluxe covers also seem to be featuring a Male Ryder (whether Dad or Scott is unclear). And from what the devs have said, it seems they're actually moving away from the Sheploo type default anyway.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 12:39:06 GMT
This idea that the Milk Way becomes old news is absurd. We don't go to new places because they are new, but because we look to new opportunities. This idea that space exploration and colonization are adventures took to the sake of discovery itself or the thrill of it frankly has no place in real, coherent universes. But even if you go that route, the Milk Way is far from being ond news. We barely know it. And we can't travel far from relays, so we can't go anywhere, quite the opposite. We can only go to very few volumes. Completely disagree. We didn't send a man to the moon because we thought it would provide an economic return on our investment. Our history is riddled with pioneers doing things simply because of the challenge and because nobody had done them before. Mount Everest is a concrete example. Are you pretending it never happened? Why were so many expeditions made, so many lives lost, so much money spent just so that they could climb the highest mountain in the world? It wasn't for economic gain, I can tell you that. By your argument, it makes no sense to climb Everest because there are smaller mountains that could be climbed much easier that nobody had climbed yet either. That's a nonsense argument. Everest was the goal because it was the highest mountain in the world. The level of difficulty in the achievement is the entire point of doing it at all! I think you seriously underestimate what drives some people. I really do.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 17, 2016 12:47:19 GMT
Thanks for digging into past questions! Originally? Sure, the reasons stated make sense why to found a research project like that, but it doesn't answer the question regarding the setting why we go there with a population of 100k (as far as we know). The question is it possible to go there is totally different from can we find a new homeworld there? So Mac didn't answer the question but with including "originally" he left the door open for a proper reason for leaving. Not to go into it to much more but 100k isn't as much as you might think. I mean yeah it's a lot of people buuut the main reason we wont be sending 100k people to Mars when we start sending people is the cost. Fuel alone to get 'that' many people up into space initially is gonna be costly. And that's on our planet with a current what 7 billion-ish people? Earths population alone in ME universe is 11.3 billion. If only 1% of that wanted to go to Andromeda your looking at 113k+ lol. Add all the other races into the mix and you KNOW they had to deny some people. 1% is, as far as I'm concerned, probably a rather low number in how many people would actually want to go you know? Kinda makes me wonder what the current % of people on earth right now would be willing to go to Mars knowing it's a one way trip. Betcha it's more then 1%, though probably not to absurdly high. So yeah, I wouldn't look at 100k as being some crazy huge number for it. It's probably just a limitation of how many they can reliably take. edit: So hey my math skills tonight are total garbage-trash as was pointed out to me earlier. 1% of 11.3 billion would be 113 Million, which is wwaaaaay more then there 100k target. Sooo Yuup.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 17, 2016 12:48:34 GMT
Soo...no one thrilled that fem ryder is the main/default protagonist? I thought it would make a lot of girls happy on here. In my case, I'm not thrilled because I don't believe it. At this point, we have: 1) E3 Trailer: centered mostly on Scott gameplay with a 5 second tease of Default Sara. However, I consider that even: Scott 1, Sara 1 2) 4k Gameplay with only Scott: Scott 2, Sara 1 3) A cinematic trailer with Scott as the protagonist: Scott 3, Sara 1 They are saying they will use equal treatment to them both. In reality, everytime I imagine the game, I imagine Scott rather than Sara. I don't have shit of Sara, it's dificult to imagine her as the protagonist at this point. A part from "we made it" in whispers, I didn't hear her voice. So, I DOUBT she is the default protagonist. They can try to sell me that, but I don't fall for that.When I have a gameplay of Sara and a cinematic trailer with her as the main character, then I will believe they are having the same treatment. Anyway, I don't see why they have to speak about main or default twin. They could simply make a trailer with both of them as the main protagonist and problem solved but... who cares?
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 17, 2016 12:49:36 GMT
Yet I don't see multiple corporations investing all their money to get thousands of people there. We have the technology to settle colony on Mars right now, if Walmart, Exxon Mobil and Apple invested all their money into it. But for some reason they don't. Why? Aren't we explorers? Aren't we travelers? What's wrong with their CEOs? You seem to be missing the point. Of course Corporations aren't going to be investing in it - they are guaranteed zero return (other than the potential for getting brand recognition in sponsoring, I suppose). The reason for going to Andromeda is the same reason as climbing Mount Everest . It's all about being the first to accomplish something incredible and nothing whatsoever to do with monetary gain. A rich private individual was behind this project not corporations. It's a dream to take mankind further than we ever dreamed possible not to make money. As you are. There are a lot of examples of scientists doing their stuff for their own money, yet there are thousands of other examples. This "humans are explorers" is nonsense, humans are explorers as much (if not less) as they are murderers, artists, hedonists, philosophers and thousand of other things. To anyone who thinks that thrill of exploration was the reason for colonization of America or Migration Period, I can only suggest reading some books from school history course.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 12:52:39 GMT
This idea that the Milk Way becomes old news is absurd. We don't go to new places because they are new, but because we look to new opportunities. This idea that space exploration and colonization are adventures took to the sake of discovery itself or the thrill of it frankly has no place in real, coherent universes. But even if you go that route, the Milk Way is far from being ond news. We barely know it. And we can't travel far from relays, so we can't go anywhere, quite the opposite. We can only go to very few volumes. That's a nonsense argument. Everest was the goal because it was the highest mountain in the world. The level of difficulty in the achievement is the entire point of doing it at all! I think you seriously underestimate what drives some people. I really do. That's absolutely irrelevant. We're not talking about individual adventures, but expediction that would require enormous amount of resources that even entire governments might not have. In the case of the Arks, impossible amounts even. We didn't go to the Moon because we wanted to explore, nor are we trying to go to Mars for that reason. But I suppose if you're ok with the idea that the AI exists because we just wanted to explore a new galaxy then I suppose you're ok with it.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Nov 17, 2016 12:52:49 GMT
Thanks for digging into past questions! Originally? Sure, the reasons stated make sense why to found a research project like that, but it doesn't answer the question regarding the setting why we go there with a population of 100k (as far as we know). The question is it possible to go there is totally different from can we find a new homeworld there? So Mac didn't answer the question but with including "originally" he left the door open for a proper reason for leaving. Not to go into it to much more but 100k isn't as much as you might think. I mean yeah it's a lot of people buuut the main reason we wont be sending 100k people to Mars when we start sending people is the cost. Fuel alone to get 'that' many people up into space initially is gonna be costly. And that's on our planet with a current what 7 billion-ish people? Earths population alone in ME universe is 11.3 billion. If only 1% of that wanted to go to Andromeda your looking at 113k+ lol. Add all the other races into the mix and you KNOW they had to deny some people. 1% is, as far as I'm concerned, probably a rather low number in how many people would actually want to go you know? Kinda makes me wonder what the current % of people on earth right now would be willing to go to Mars knowing it's a one way trip. Betcha it's more then 1%, though probably not to absurdly high. So yeah, I wouldn't look at 100k as being some crazy huge number for it. It's probably just a limitation of how many they can reliably take. 100k is 0.0009% of 11.3 billion.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 17, 2016 12:55:33 GMT
Completely disagree. We didn't send a man to the moon because we thought it would provide an economic return on our investment. Our history is riddled with pioneers doing things simply because of the challenge and because nobody had done them before. Mount Everest is a concrete example. Are you pretending it never happened? Why were so many expeditions made, so many lives lost, so much money spent just so that they could climb the highest mountain in the world? It wasn't for economic gain, I can tell you that. By your argument, it makes no sense to climb Everest because there are smaller mountains that could be climbed much easier that nobody had climbed yet either. That's a nonsense argument. Everest was the goal because it was the highest mountain in the world. The level of difficulty in the achievement is the entire point of doing it at all! I think you seriously underestimate what drives some people. I really do. The comparison to Mount Everest makes no sense at all. When someone goes out to climb Mount Everest, the plan is that they return to civilisation after a few weeks. The rest of the world will know whether the attempt was a success when the mountaineers return. If they don't return, it's safe to assume that something went very wrong. Climbing Mount Everest is about overcoming an incredible challenge and living to tell the tale. Sending an expedition to Andromeda is nothing of the sort. It sends a bunch of volunteers off into the unknown forever, and those who stay behind will never know their fate. Whether they successfully establish a new colony, whether they get eaten by space monsters or enslaved by a superior Andromedan race... or whether the entire fleet detonates five minutes after they leave sensor range - we'll never know. To stick with the Everest example - the Andromeda journey would be something akin to climbing Mount Everest without any means of communication and with no intention of ever returning from it, plus the means to effectively hide from any search operation.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 17, 2016 12:56:30 GMT
Not really. First, we do know exactly the level of technology humanity had before discovering FTL. So we don't know how exactly that trip was articulated (but cryogenic freezing and the tripping taking only decades points to an enormous leap in space flight technology from what we have now). Personally, I don't think there was much thought behind it from a writers perspective. -snippity- The ships are going slower then current ships in ME universe. The Cryogenic/Stasis isn't 'new'. They have 1 tiny hurtle to get over to make the flight possible and I'm sure going slower then most ships in ME universe has something to do with it. but if the fastest ships can go (not counting Reapers) is 15 LYD (light years a day) then the 11.3-ish they're going to get there in 600 years is rather below that mark. Unless you meant like, us in the realsies but that'd be an even sillier argument for you deciding all the writers and people over at BioWare are a bunch of blind idiots. I mean be skeptical about the game being good/bad whatever. But they haven't just thrown it all out the window or ignored it all. They just have to resolve a static charge build up. Which we've been able to do for awhile now, it's a bit silly they couldn't in ME up till this point.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 13:00:14 GMT
Also, what is this Manswell person complaining about?
In the Mass Effect universe we went in a period of some 50 years from ships barely capable of making the trip to Mars to ships capable of traveling to another Star in a matter of decades.
That's an unbelievable progress!
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Post by traks on Nov 17, 2016 13:01:36 GMT
That's a nonsense argument. Everest was the goal because it was the highest mountain in the world. The level of difficulty in the achievement is the entire point of doing it at all! I think you seriously underestimate what drives some people. I really do. That's absolutely irrelevant. We're not talking about individual adventures, but expediction that would require enormous amount of resources that even entire governments might not have. In the case of the Arks, impossible amounts even. We didn't go to the Moon because we wanted to explore, nor are we trying to go to Mars for that reason. But I suppose if you're ok with the idea that the AI exists because we just wanted to explore a new galaxy then I suppose you're ok with it. Agreed with the bold part. My main question was/is the motivation of taking 100k+ into 600 years of cryo sleep to go to Andromeda, not why individuals among those 100k would want to go on such an expedition.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 17, 2016 13:06:06 GMT
Not to go into it to much more but 100k isn't as much as you might think. I mean yeah it's a lot of people buuut the main reason we wont be sending 100k people to Mars when we start sending people is the cost. Fuel alone to get 'that' many people up into space initially is gonna be costly. And that's on our planet with a current what 7 billion-ish people? Earths population alone in ME universe is 11.3 billion. If only 1% of that wanted to go to Andromeda your looking at 113k+ lol. Add all the other races into the mix and you KNOW they had to deny some people. 1% is, as far as I'm concerned, probably a rather low number in how many people would actually want to go you know? Kinda makes me wonder what the current % of people on earth right now would be willing to go to Mars knowing it's a one way trip. Betcha it's more then 1%, though probably not to absurdly high. So yeah, I wouldn't look at 100k as being some crazy huge number for it. It's probably just a limitation of how many they can reliably take. 100k is 0.0009% of 11.3 billion. LOL right, my bad. Woops... Well, my point super overly stands then, minus me making a mockery of math. 1% of our current population (or that of Earth in ME universe) far exceeds their 100k population mark for Andromeda.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Nov 17, 2016 13:16:40 GMT
100k is 0.0009% of 11.3 billion. LOL right, my bad. Woops... Well, my point super overly stands then, minus me making a mockery of math. 1% of our current population (or that of Earth in ME universe) far exceeds their 100k population mark for Andromeda. Well, you weren't exactly wrong. 1% of 11.3 billion is indeed 113k+, like a whole lot more.
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Post by merkit on Nov 17, 2016 13:35:50 GMT
Mac Walters @macwalterslives Yes. That was a choice we made early on... every species in Andromeda that has both genders will be represented by both in the game.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 14:45:10 GMT
You seem to be missing the point. Of course Corporations aren't going to be investing in it - they are guaranteed zero return (other than the potential for getting brand recognition in sponsoring, I suppose). The reason for going to Andromeda is the same reason as climbing Mount Everest . It's all about being the first to accomplish something incredible and nothing whatsoever to do with monetary gain. A rich private individual was behind this project not corporations. It's a dream to take mankind further than we ever dreamed possible not to make money. As you are. There are a lot of examples of scientists doing their stuff for their own money, yet there are thousands of other examples. This "humans are explorers" is nonsense, humans are explorers as much (if not less) as they are murderers, artists, hedonists, philosophers and thousand of other things. To anyone who thinks that thrill of exploration was the reason for colonization of America or Migration Period, I can only suggest reading some books from school history course. I don't understand your point here? If some scientists do stuff with their own money and some humans are explorers then that's all that's required to justify the possibility of the AI. Do you think I'm trying to say that every human has the same sentiments as the ones going to Andromeda?
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