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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 14:53:55 GMT
That's a nonsense argument. Everest was the goal because it was the highest mountain in the world. The level of difficulty in the achievement is the entire point of doing it at all! I think you seriously underestimate what drives some people. I really do. That's absolutely irrelevant. We're not talking about individual adventures, but expediction that would require enormous amount of resources that even entire governments might not have. In the case of the Arks, impossible amounts even. We didn't go to the Moon because we wanted to explore, nor are we trying to go to Mars for that reason. Of course it's relevant. It proves that some people will risk life and limb and pour resources into doing something with no aim other than the goal of achieving something nobody else has managed. Same as Andromeda. Plus I don't see how the amount of resources required is relevant. The investor is rich, they have the money. As I understand it there are people today who have more money than most governments. If you have the money and you have a dream to go somewhere that you can't ever spend your money ever again then you may as well use all of it. The cost is immaterial at that point! As for the last bit. I disagree. It wasn't the only reason we went to the moon or why we might want to go to Mars but exploration was definitely part of it. The exploration of our Solar System.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 14:58:25 GMT
The comparison to Mount Everest makes no sense at all. When someone goes out to climb Mount Everest, the plan is that they return to civilisation after a few weeks. The rest of the world will know whether the attempt was a success when the mountaineers return. If they don't return, it's safe to assume that something went very wrong. Climbing Mount Everest is about overcoming an incredible challenge and living to tell the tale. I would disagree that climbing Everest was only for the acclaim and recognition. I think it was mainly for the personal achievement. Having said that, we do know that part of the stated ultimate goal of going to Andromeda is to potentially establish a link back to and trade with the Milky Way. So it's not like there's zero economic incentive for backers willing to take a gamble or zero chance of the AI getting recognition for their achievement.
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Post by hopeless on Nov 17, 2016 15:06:13 GMT
Does this mean there will be a prequel dlc where they explain how they found the Arks and why they would send anyone on a one way mission with no way back and no intent on leaving it at that?
I don't believe that is the case that's why when they mention about the Reaper using the Citadel to drop the Reaper Fleet on their front doorstep I figure the reason a Reaper had to do that is because that capability to jump galactic distances had been discovered and is why the Andromeda Initiative wasn't a one way trip at all but intent on establishing a Citadel or Nexus to link with the one in the Milky Way.
Remember when they said the Reaper's wasn't the reason for the mission? That might actually be originally true but it was probably suspected when they actually left for why keep it a secret otherwise?
So the whole mission is a well kept secret to avoid trouble think when worlds collide there are what Five different races involved not all work well together whose to say they launched with the Council's permission?
A whole lot of questions do you think they'll bother answering?
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 17, 2016 15:09:21 GMT
As you are. There are a lot of examples of scientists doing their stuff for their own money, yet there are thousands of other examples. This "humans are explorers" is nonsense, humans are explorers as much (if not less) as they are murderers, artists, hedonists, philosophers and thousand of other things. To anyone who thinks that thrill of exploration was the reason for colonization of America or Migration Period, I can only suggest reading some books from school history course. I don't understand your point here? If some scientists do stuff with their own money and some humans are explorers then that's all that's required to justify the possibility of the AI. Do you think I'm trying to say that every human has the same sentiments as the ones going to Andromeda? I'm simply saying that existence of such enthusiasts was never enough to create something of that magnitude. Columbus was begging various European monarchs for funding, until one of them was finally convinced that it will be worth it. Or are you talking about colonists here? It's not about them, of you course can find enough madmen for everything.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 17, 2016 15:14:57 GMT
Does this mean there will be a prequel dlc where they explain how they found the Arks and why they would send anyone on a one way mission with no way back and no intent on leaving it at that? I don't believe that is the case that's why when they mention about the Reaper using the Citadel to drop the Reaper Fleet on their front doorstep I figure the reason a Reaper had to do that is because that capability to jump galactic distances had been discovered and is why the Andromeda Initiative wasn't a one way trip at all but intent on establishing a Citadel or Nexus to link with the one in the Milky Way. Remember when they said the Reaper's wasn't the reason for the mission? That might actually be originally true but it was probably suspected when they actually left for why keep it a secret otherwise? So the whole mission is a well kept secret to avoid trouble think when worlds collide there are what Five different races involved not all work well together whose to say they launched with the Council's permission? A whole lot of questions do you think they'll bother answering? Are they not putting out several books, at least one before the game comes out? I'm thinking some of these books will be used to fill in lore gaps.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 17, 2016 15:26:00 GMT
I would disagree that climbing Everest was only for the acclaim and recognition. I think it was mainly for the personal achievement. Having said that, we do know that part of the stated ultimate goal of going to Andromeda is to potentially establish a link back to and trade with the Milky Way. So it's not like there's zero economic incentive for backers willing to take a gamble or zero chance of the AI getting recognition for their achievement. I wonder how long it would take to establish a link back to the Milky Way. What happens if Shepard refuses the choices? It would make things interesting if that happens. However far into the future go back to the Milky Way to trade and find out the species that went to Andromeda are no more in the Milky Way.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 17, 2016 15:28:47 GMT
What I would like to see...... You leave on your 600 year voyage, when you get there there are already humans there. Because technology moves so fast in the years between our lo tech sloe boat trip faster ways have been achieved, you get there to explore and colonize and humans, or a form of them are waiting for you. They may even be villainous.
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Post by LFS on Nov 17, 2016 15:33:15 GMT
I wonder how long it would take to establish a link back to the Milky Way. What happens if Shepard refuses the choices? It would make things interesting if that happens. However far into the future go back to the Milky Way to trade and find out the species that went to Andromeda are no more in the Milky Way. 600+ years is a long time for anyone to be waiting around in the MW for an economic payoff or a pat on the back. Even putting aside the meta-knowledge we have about the Reaper invasion, all of the humans who might have worked on, helped fund or bore witness to--but were not passengers on--the Arks would be centuries dead by the time they arrived in Andromeda. Many of the Asari and Krogan too, for that matter. For the Andromeda Initiative to want to establish eventual trade routes back to the MW requires some serious built-in future-proofing and contingency planning, which is honestly more unbelievable to me than a the basic premise of a bunch of rich assholes Howard Hughesing it up with 500k of their closest volunteer friends and setting sail for some inconceivably distant horizon. Ofc we know that it's all moot anyway, so whatevs.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 17, 2016 15:50:43 GMT
What I would like to see...... You leave on your 600 year voyage, when you get there there are already humans there. Because technology moves so fast in the years between our lo tech sloe boat trip faster ways have been achieved, you get there to explore and colonize and humans, or a form of them are waiting for you. They may even be villainous. comms officer: You may want to hear this sir Ryder: What is it? comms: Listen for yourself Ryder: What I'm I.......what? That can't be. Is that the song Stairway to Heaven from Led Zeppelin I hear? comms: Sir I have a message from the planet below Ryder: Put it through. This Ryder of the Hyperion. Who I'm I speaking with? voice: About time you guys show up. My name. themikefest. Ryder: About...ti. What are you talking about? themikefest: Here's the short version. After you guys left, folks found some new tech that would get them here in a much quicker time. So some rich guy decided to travel here. I've been here all my life. My grandfather, thegranddadthemikefest, arrived here with several others about 100 years ago. They built a city and everything. If you want the details, you have to talk to the mayor. Ryder. Ok. Who's the mayor? themikefest: Mayor Conrad Verner. Another thing. If you need supplies, there's a Walmart near my location. Ryder: Thanks....themikefest. Ryder out comms: That was....weird. What are going to do with that hammer sir? Ryder: I'm going to hit myself over head to make sure this isn't some weird dream I'm having
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Post by Adhin on Nov 17, 2016 15:58:02 GMT
I have a feeling if we ever establish a connection back to the Milky Way it'll either be an end to the Andromeda 'series' and/or they'll be more comfortable just picking an ending from ME3 since that wont be for like 12 years from now, if even then. Which I'd put me money being on the destroy ending.
That or the prospect of going back gets dropped due to losing contact. I mean if I was gonna be writing this (which Im a horrible writer so thank god im not) I'd probably have us, as players, learn about the Reapers via learning we lost contact with the Milky Way. Not so much a a transition or something like in ME1 but we learn we lost contact, and Jian explains why we launched when we did as a pushed up time table or something.
That or a side mission crops up at some point about some fishy info about us losing contact and we learn it during that. Either way the idea of going back I imagine will be dropped, adding more weight to needing to find a home, or will be explored in like 3-4 games down the road when picking an ending for ME3 seems less of an issue.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 17, 2016 15:58:28 GMT
Grenloke @grenlokeHave you guys touched on squad commands yet? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon We've got 'em. The squad is generally smarter and requires less micromgmt, though--you don't order specific powers. Grenloke @grenloke Ah, so no ME3-style coordinated attacks. Focus on yourself & the squad's AI will (largely) take care of themselves? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon They tend to take care of themselves, yes, but coordinated attacks are still possible, using in-world cues. Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Ex: I see Liam leap into the fray and electrify a crowd of enemies, so I biotic charge in to set off a Tech Combo! Ian S. Frazier @tibermoonPlus you start to get a feel for what the squad will do in different situations based on your orders. More info later. - So now we have a little clearer idea of how squad coordination works in MEA... So... if Liam was a cop... Can he use Stunt Grenades & Pepper Gas on foes? (biover pls) ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
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The last post is interesting, as it implies some tactical oversight. If done right, I'd love it.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 17, 2016 16:01:01 GMT
I have a feeling if we ever establish a connection back to the Milky Way it'll either be an end to the Andromeda 'series' and/or they'll be more comfortable just picking an ending from ME3 since that wont be for like 12 years from now, if even then. Which I'd put me money being on the destroy ending. That or the prospect of going back gets dropped due to losing contact. I mean if I was gonna be writing this (which Im a horrible writer so thank god im not) I'd probably have us, as players, learn about the Reapers via learning we lost contact with the Milky Way. Not so much a a transition or something like in ME1 but we learn we lost contact, and Jian explains why we launched when we did as a pushed up time table or something. That or a side mission crops up at some point about some fishy info about us losing contact and we learn it during that. Either way the idea of going back I imagine will be dropped, adding more weight to needing to find a home, or will be explored in like 3-4 games down the road when picking an ending for ME3 seems less of an issue. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I believe Bio is firmly stuck in Andromeda where they can tell new stories and go in a different direction.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 17, 2016 16:03:53 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I believe Bio is firmly stuck in Andromeda where they can tell new stories and go in a different direction.
That is very much what I'm hoping for. I'm really curious what new physics breaking technology Andromeda has due to not being lead down the Reapers Mass Effect path.
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Post by Fogg on Nov 17, 2016 16:06:05 GMT
Going back to the Milky Way after a couple of games in Andromeda can be very cool, since at least 600 years will have passed and there can be so many new technologies, species, worlds. I'd be ok with destroy getting canon, even hoping for it. Already suggested once it might be a good idea to do this a bit further in the future, instead of the first game after ME3.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 17, 2016 16:06:27 GMT
Mac Walters @macwalterslives Yes. That was a choice we made early on... every species in Andromeda that has both genders will be represented by both in the game. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Now I'm glad to get this info.
So, Mac, will we be seeing sexy aliens? Lipstick doesn't count.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 17, 2016 16:17:28 GMT
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What's the point of going back to the MW?
Bio , with Andromeda, has a unique opportunity of writing new stories unfettered by past history. Besides, by going back, you give the Reapers ( in the next cycle) the knowledge that they did not wipe out organics in the last one. That, is not good.
On the other hand, going back and listening to Liara's warning message, destroying the Citadel would stop the Reapers dead in their Dark Space nests.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 16:23:13 GMT
Soo...no one thrilled that fem ryder is the main/default protagonist? I thought it would make a lot of girls happy on here. She's really not. I'm sure it will have been addressed long before my post is made, but they're trying to split the exposure evenly, this time. So far, Scott is well ahead in total screen-time, despite Sara getting the debut scene. Personally, I think it's cool that they're trying, and I'm not one to add up the minutes and seconds on-screen. Edit: Haha. Yep. It was addressed.
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Post by Dario on Nov 17, 2016 16:29:17 GMT
- exploring something totally new, that's never been seen or experienced by Milky Way races
- fleeing the law/unspecified Bad Things in one's personal history
- establishing a new frontier, or a new model for society (Puritans?)
- exploiting garden worlds and resources that might not necessarily be available in the Milky Way (remember the in-universe fiction that the Heleus Cluster is rich in resources)
- fleeing the arrival of the Reapers (for the few who know)
- to prove that a journey is possible, and to push the scale of civilisation to the intergalactic level
I expect a secret reason to be revealed during the game...
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Pardon while I interrupt this general discussion thread with a pesky tweet. Not exactly Mass Effect related, but still of potential interest to some users here: Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonregan My friend @voicejaybritton is launching something awesome for aspiring voice actors, go sign up! Quickly! 🎮👍 RT Jay Britton @voicejaybrittonBig #news coming, December 15th www.vocoaching.co.uk/dec15 something for aspiring #voiceactor's, spread the word! #animation #videogames Jay Britton @voicejaybritton@sicariothrax @alixwiltonregan it'll be open to US & Canadian actors as well!
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 16:45:04 GMT
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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2016 16:50:30 GMT
Reading page after page, thread after thread of speculation regarding the motivations behind the Andromeda Initiative, and to a lesser extent the people and tech, I can't help but think that a prequel novel would've been great. That really could've cleared some of the smoke from the air, no? I wish the novel could've been finished on schedule, and I wish they'd released it slightly ahead of the game. Oh, well. If wishes were whatever... One shouldn't have to go to other media to learn plot-relevant info in a game.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 16:53:56 GMT
Reading page after page, thread after thread of speculation regarding the motivations behind the Andromeda Initiative, and to a lesser extent the people and tech, I can't help but think that a prequel novel would've been great. That really could've cleared some of the smoke from the air, no? I wish the novel could've been finished on schedule, and I wish they'd released it slightly ahead of the game. Oh, well. If wishes were whatever... One shouldn't have to go to other media to learn plot-relevant info in a game. Agreed, but I'd happily do so, nonetheless. We will have our answers when the game releases, anyway, so this isn't exactly a case of "required reading", as we saw with DAI and "The Masked Empire".
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Post by rapscallioness on Nov 17, 2016 17:11:39 GMT
Guys, guys, new info. So I have this gaming magazine from my country and they have an article about Mass Effect Andromeda. First of all, guy that wrote that was one of 4 people that could see actual gameplay. He is a big fan of the series. There is a lot of info that was already in Game Informer but there are some new things: 1. There are no reapers in game itself but BW said that they will be mentioned in some way later on 2. We start the game on Hyperion ( mostly human arc) 3. BW still quiet about Quarians 4. We can choose whatever we want to attack some aliens or go with peaceful approach when exploring planets 5. Highest lvl is 70th 5. We can have only 2 more characters in our party but BW showed battle in which friendly NPCs helped our team 7. On one planet they encountered 2 fighting fractions which ignored player for the time of battle 8. Doing everything on one planet should take 2-3 hours 9. Tempest has landing zones on every planet and this is the place when you can find quests 10. You can leave planet from anywhere 11. Tempest is much smaller than Normandy but has a lot more windows to enjoy the view of the galaxy 12. Scanning planets returns in some way and it's a little similar to the one in ME2 (you will need to land and find something on your own sometimes) 13. Crafting is much more developed but it's optional 14. At least 2 new races (on of them is Kett) 15. PeeBee irritated writer for some reason ( ) 16. Writer also says that ME:A takes what's best from trilogy adding to it enormous worlds to explore and a brand new story. He is very optimistic about this game so far Multi: 1. Turians in multiplayer (among others) 2. Multiplayer feels fluid and fun, rocket jumps and sprinting is incorporated 3. Granades have holographic sign that gives player information about range of said granade 4. Overall all, looking good Hey guys. I bought the cd action magazine and thought I might write down some more info that might add to the already given info. 1 the author wrote that each ark has 100 000 people on board.
2 from what I understood the ships are divided by race cause of differences in hibernation equipment.
3 the author wrote that mkst of the crew is in sleep mode but it seems that ( translating from polish) " the crew taking care of the sleepers during the travel is multi racial" - so crew is awake? and more than just the asari on board?
4 both siblings were trained to be pathfinders
5 the default and official main protagonist is the fem ryder this time ( writes the author)
6 there seem to be film sequences in the game during the player can only maneuver the camere
7 the author complimented the special effects
8 the encounters are more dynamic ( due to the me3 multiplayer bioware team being the ones mainly responsible for andromeda)
9 three most important changes are the jetpack, automatice ( no need to press a button) covering behind objects and sprinting (replacing tumbling)
10 the dev team first balances the weapons and powers in multiplayer before passing it on to singleplayer ( the exception being sniper rifles)
11 he mentions things like shooting from the air and charging from hights
12 this sentence did catch my eye - "in comparison to its archetype ( the nomad) it is not - atleast at the beginning - armed..."
13 said optional crafting will allow to strongly improve weapons
14 all planets are hand crafted
15 quests are acquired in hubs and during exploration
16 he did mention the rumours of 100 planets but did not confirm it. ( in relation to maxing quests on planets taking 2-3 hours)
17crafting is more expanded than in any other bioware production
18 lvling system atleast as complex as me1
19 point distribution either by yourself or the computer ( though it will follow your chosen klass ex. an infiltrator will be an even better "ghost" when lvling up)
20 there are abilities that are not directly related to fighting but are used during conversations or uncovering new places.
21 andromeda is compared to the witcher by the devs
22 it seems m&k in multiplayer is well programmed.
One more thing. From what the author wrote It seems that March is the release window for MEA. Though its not like he wrote " it comes out in march". ( more like "let march be here already") Ooo, thanks Garo and Legenlorn! I did notice the skybox on the Tempest during the recent trailer. You could see that huge planet out the window. I absolutely love that. I was hoping for that kind of thing from my ship windows. So, I'm happy they added that detail. I bet the views are going to be beautiful. I also enjoyed the ME2 scanning. * ducks* What I liked about it the most was the spontaneity. You're just sitting there doing some scanning, getting some resources, then suddenly you need to throw that sports bra back on and go planet side because something suddenly came up. The devs compared MEA to the Witcher? I wonder in what context? Like, did they say that MEA was going to be like the Witcher, or that the Witcher used some approaches to the game world that BW has sought to incorporate within the context of their own approach?
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Post by rapscallioness on Nov 17, 2016 17:14:12 GMT
BioWare @bioware For those long nights on Noveria, the N7 Holiday Sweater. bit.ly/2gmv91Z Why do I love this? I love this friggin sweater. It's just so...very, very.
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