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Post by Felya87 on Dec 3, 2016 0:09:06 GMT
I wouldn't have even buyed the first ME if I knew death was all that had to wait for Shepard.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Dec 3, 2016 0:19:23 GMT
Well... just pre-ordered Mass Effect: Andromeda - Super Deluxe Edition... Now here is hoping, that shelling out so much cash doesn't blow in my face once the game comes out. But somehow I feel in my gut, that the game will be awesome PS. Yes, those mediocre facial animations didn't discourage me. Nice, but... will the 20 Battlepacks "MP boosters" be worth 30 bucks?
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Post by saberchic on Dec 3, 2016 0:21:15 GMT
I wouldn't have even buyed the first ME if I knew death was all that had to wait for Shepard. I don't believe that point. I really don't. I think that may have been what Mac wanted, but the tone of the ME and ME2 leads me to believe the opposite... or at least it being an option (but not the only one).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 0:22:13 GMT
Well... just pre-ordered Mass Effect: Andromeda - Super Deluxe Edition... Now here is hoping, that shelling out so much cash doesn't blow in my face once the game comes out. But somehow I feel in my gut, that the game will be awesome PS. Yes, those mediocre facial animations didn't discourage me. Nice, but... will the 20 Battlepacks "MP boosters" be worth 30 bucks? The actual difference in price for me between Deluxe and Super Deluxe was so negligible, that those 20 battlepacks come for chump change. So I throught, that if I go Deluxe, then I'll go full Deluxe. And yes... I know EA planned this all along... making the Super Deluxe just a 'lil bit pricer, to lure you in;)
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 3, 2016 0:24:35 GMT
I wouldn't have even buyed the first ME if I knew death was all that had to wait for Shepard. I had no reason to care for Shepard before I had beaten ME1 and to be honest it wasn't until the end of ME2 for me personally until I knew I cared for my own character so much that his death would make me emotional because I had built up so much history for him that felt unique to me. My takeaway is that the self-sacrifitial hero ending is a tired and boring cliche, but I can see why they designed it that way since a lot of the trilogy and especially ME1 harkens back to classic storytelling tropes. I'm glad you at least see a hint of Shepard surviving in one of the endings, not that I even think that had anything to do with why all 3 endings sucked donkey dick. I hope between the lines Mac really knows why the ending doesn't work and not just "players were attatched to Shepard" becuase that's a very disingenuous acknowledgement of why the ending failed.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 3, 2016 0:24:51 GMT
Wow, I think that's the first time I've heard Mac outright say "we made a mistake" in regards to the ending. About fucking time, excuse my language. In regards to how "we couldn't have foreseen it cuz nobody had made a gaming trilogy before". It's simple, Mac, you told a story in a way stories shouldn't be told. You don't bring up a new subject to dissect in your denoument/finale. You drive home the themes and make resolutions for the established elements from those subjects you have already dissected throughout the story. That's why your dumb ending made people so pissed off, even if they blame the lack of different cutscenes reflecting choies or some characters surviving or not. Know you made a mistake, but for christ's sakes, know why that mistake was a mistake other than "Oops people didn't like it, let's not ever try that again". As for "ending andromeda" good luck with that, Mac, because you literally sound like Damon Lindeloff teasing his plans for future seasons of Lost right now. "There are mysteries that won't be answered in this game". Yeah, good luck coming up with answers for mysteries you haven't actually decided the origin for yet. Gosh, Mac Well, he still seems convinced that the backlash was all about people being sad because Shepard dies, neatly ignoring some of the bigger problems at hand. So...partial credit? Heck admitting that they "mistepped" at all is an improvement... And to be fair, Dragon Age has its own "deep lore", a bunch of unsolved mysteries. Stuff the writers and a few other senior people are aware of, but do not address until they are good and ready. Hopefully, Andromeda has some of that as well.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 3, 2016 0:26:00 GMT
I wouldn't have even buyed the first ME if I knew death was all that had to wait for Shepard. Hype train? Nossir, this is the Plot Railroad!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 3, 2016 0:27:05 GMT
Wow, I think that's the first time I've heard Mac outright say "we made a mistake" in regards to the ending. About fucking time, excuse my language. In regards to how "we couldn't have foreseen it cuz nobody had made a gaming trilogy before". It's simple, Mac, you told a story in a way stories shouldn't be told. You don't bring up a new subject to dissect in your denoument/finale. You drive home the themes and make resolutions for the established elements from those subjects you have already dissected throughout the story. That's why your dumb ending made people so pissed off, even if they blame the lack of different cutscenes reflecting choies or some characters surviving or not. Know you made a mistake, but for christ's sakes, know why that mistake was a mistake other than "Oops people didn't like it, let's not ever try that again". As for "ending andromeda" good luck with that, Mac, because you literally sound like Damon Lindeloff teasing his plans for future seasons of Lost right now. "There are mysteries that won't be answered in this game". Yeah, good luck coming up with answers for mysteries you haven't actually decided the origin for yet. Gosh, Mac Well, he still seems convinced that the backlash was all about people being sad because Shepard dies, neatly ignoring some of the bigger problems at hand. So...partial credit? Heck admitting that they "mistepped" at all is an improvement... And to be fair, Dragon Age has its own "deep lore", a bunch of unsolved mysteries. Stuff the writers and a few other senior people are aware of, but do not address until they are good and ready. Hopefully, Andromeda has some of that as well. It's going, however, to be a bigger problem when the writer who made half of these original mysteries is no longer working at BioWare. Same situation as Drew's departure just with Chris Schlerf this time.
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Well, he still seems convinced that the backlash was all about people being sad because Shepard dies, neatly ignoring some of the bigger problems at hand. So...partial credit? Heck admitting that they "mistepped" at all is an improvement... And to be fair, Dragon Age has its own "deep lore", a bunch of unsolved mysteries. Stuff the writers and a few other senior people are aware of, but do not address until they are good and ready. Hopefully, Andromeda has some of that as well. It's going, however, to be a bigger problem when the writer who made half of these original mysteries is no longer working at BioWare. Same situation as Drew's departure just with Chris Schlerf this time. The problem with the ME3 ending blacklash is that 2 things coincided in 1 moment. 1) Fans were actually feeling the sensation, that something they love is about to be concluded after such a long journey which spanned accross years... and 2) they wanted to experience the closure at least as epic as the end of Star Wars: Episode VI. Because this happened, fans to this day often cannot let ME1-3 and nostalgia go (I myself reminisce the trilogy often) and the 'salty discharge' called 'ME3 ending' gives bad aftertaste to this day aswell... Mac Walters admits they screwed up, but promises to redeem himself and I take his word. ME:A comes out -> we will evaluate and verify. Simple as that.
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Post by goishen on Dec 3, 2016 0:57:04 GMT
I wouldn't have even buyed the first ME if I knew death was all that had to wait for Shepard. I had no reason to care for Shepard before I had beaten ME1 and to be honest it wasn't until the end of ME2 for me personally until I knew I cared for my own character so much that his death would make me emotional because I had built up so much history for him that felt unique to me. My takeaway is that the self-sacrifitial hero ending is a tired and boring cliche, but I can see why they designed it that way since a lot of the trilogy and especially ME1 harkens back to classic storytelling tropes. I'm glad you at least see a hint of Shepard surviving in one of the endings, not that I even think that had anything to do with why all 3 endings sucked donkey dick. I hope between the lines Mac really knows why the ending doesn't work and not just "players were attatched to Shepard" becuase that's a very disingenuous acknowledgement of why the ending failed. Look, we can sit here playing "Who lived?" and "Who died?" all damn day long. But in the end I think you'll agree with me, by an exponential amount, there are far more stories where the hero lives.
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Post by Felya87 on Dec 3, 2016 1:01:59 GMT
I wouldn't have even buyed the first ME if I knew death was all that had to wait for Shepard. I had no reason to care for Shepard before I had beaten ME1 and to be honest it wasn't until the end of ME2 for me personally until I knew I cared for my own character so much that his death would make me emotional because I had built up so much history for him that felt unique to me. My takeaway is that the self-sacrifitial hero ending is a tired and boring cliche, but I can see why they designed it that way since a lot of the trilogy and especially ME1 harkens back to classic storytelling tropes. I'm glad you at least see a hint of Shepard surviving in one of the endings, not that I even think that had anything to do with why all 3 endings sucked donkey dick. I hope between the lines Mac really knows why the ending doesn't work and not just "players were attatched to Shepard" becuase that's a very disingenuous acknowledgement of why the ending failed. I've always ended up attached to the characters and protagonist of every story I have read/watched. So I have no doubt that such premise would have me refuse to even start a journey knowing that the end is only one. Why would I have felt different to a videogame story? It was a story, so my reaction is the same. I've already enought tragedy in RL, I know too well how is loose and have no hope. No need to have it in my entartainment too. The only time I hated a protagonist was with Dragon Age 2. I hated Hawke, and is all because BioWare tried to force their character on me, taking away the freedom I had in Origins (I hate with a passion the human protagonist in the DA setting). Still, I agree the forced depression wasn't the only problem with the ME3 endings, just one of many.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 3, 2016 1:18:24 GMT
I do well both with immersing myself in a character inside a world and immersing myself in the world as my own character. Both Hawke and Inquisitor works for me, and so Shepard also works for me... but Shepard in ME3 didn't because he ruined the continuity of my Shepard and a lot of his emotionally charged responses and especially his opinions were forced too strongly with no input from the player. I think autodialogue is fine but anytime an NPC goes "What do you think?" and it doens't bring up a player-response that's a cop out.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 3, 2016 1:19:28 GMT
I had no reason to care for Shepard before I had beaten ME1 and to be honest it wasn't until the end of ME2 for me personally until I knew I cared for my own character so much that his death would make me emotional because I had built up so much history for him that felt unique to me. My takeaway is that the self-sacrifitial hero ending is a tired and boring cliche, but I can see why they designed it that way since a lot of the trilogy and especially ME1 harkens back to classic storytelling tropes. I'm glad you at least see a hint of Shepard surviving in one of the endings, not that I even think that had anything to do with why all 3 endings sucked donkey dick. I hope between the lines Mac really knows why the ending doesn't work and not just "players were attatched to Shepard" becuase that's a very disingenuous acknowledgement of why the ending failed. Look, we can sit here playing "Who lived?" and "Who died?" all damn day long. But in the end I think you'll agree with me, by an exponential amount, there are far more stories where the hero lives. There's a reason for that.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 3, 2016 1:22:03 GMT
What "who lived" and "who died"? Did you even read my post goishen ?
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Post by goishen on Dec 3, 2016 1:31:23 GMT
What "who lived" and "who died"? Did you even read my post goishen ? Yeh. I did. I read "hero dieing at the end is a cliche". So, now if you really wanna bring up cliches in this argument, in this setting, we can do that. But get ready to be deluged by a ton of other "happy ending" sequences. I'm tired of happy endings. I want one to make me think and feel. I don't want one where the hero saves the LI and lives.
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