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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 19:10:01 GMT
A friend of mine tweeted the devs awhile back about wanting a demo to make her character before hand, and they replied about how great the CC is and wish people could see it ahead of time. Or something along those lines. I'm guessing that's a big "yes" that we will have CC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 19:14:17 GMT
but if you are right that biowarev is one of the only games you know 'you' can be the hero then you know you will be represented to. In fact from what i remember a lot of people complained about the straight options being limited in DA. and about da, da2 was the best in romance department for me, idc about playersexuality or whatever i could romance anyone i want. with inquisition while i liked cass, dorian and josey it was still a fail for me. cass-straight, dorian - suffering gay who wants acceptance and joseys content was little since she wasnt a companion, sorry sera who? the fact that she was written by a straight male is enough reason for me to stay away. but i understand straight ppl compaining about this game too. sry thats the last of that now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 19:16:52 GMT
come on, really, practically every movie/book/game has an obligatory heterosexual romance in it. in movies/tv shows its usually tortured gays, dead gays or promiscious gays , books about lgbt characters are about them being lgbt and their sufferings and coming in terms with their sexuality, though there are some sci-fi/ antasy with lgbt leads nowadays but they are rare. rpg games like bioware ones are the only haven for gay people to think that smb like them can be a hero, can be a soldier/ explorer not just the "gay one". i love sci -fi , like fantasy, i love plot most but i wish to have smb like me be a hero for once and find love too, even if thats the movie only i will see. and bioware games, out of all most funded ones, are almost the only games that make it possible for you to choose a hero - female or male, who isnt straight. Of course there are other well known games who had lgbt protagonists( last of us, life is strange, ppl would say assasin creed with its bi male lead, but come its ridiculous, ubisoft and representation dont go well together) thats the only big titles i can remember that had lgbt default protagonists. sorry for many words, but i say this all the time, and there are still ppl who are surprised when ppl want more diversity/representation. I don't see how that has anything to do with my post. I don't care if the post is about the lack of gays li, lesbian li, straight li or bi li. My post is that people are more concerned that their favorite isn't romanceable by their chosen character. Bioware have already said that there is li for hetero and homo people, so there is no need to be afraid for that. The fear people have is that just THEIR favo isn't a li. And while I am able to see that they want to know everything, it still don't make me see how it is a concern. It is a game, not real life, if you don't get the exact right Li, it won't kill you. For example, I really liked Lace Harding in DA:I but it wasn't a "real" romance arc. Should I be sad that I couldn't romance her fully? Yes. But the way people are complaining in here, in my opinion, is as I said before ridiculous. And I'm not against diversity/representation. But there is a limit to what Bioware can do. Not every straight will like their choice, just like not every homosexual will like their. Anyway, enough OT. the fact that you dont understand what it has to do with your post, answers that.
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Post by hammerstorm on Jan 28, 2017 19:28:20 GMT
*To much vast of space* (by HS) Anyway, enough OT. the fact that you dont understand what it has to do with your post, answers that. Ah, the passive aggressive response, always work when you are unable to rationally answer the post.
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Post by bshep on Jan 28, 2017 19:30:56 GMT
and about da, da2 was the best in romance department for me, idc about playersexuality or whatever i could romance anyone i want. with inquisition while i liked cass, dorian and josey it was still a fail for me. cass-straight, dorian - suffering gay who wants acceptance and joseys content was little since she wasnt a companion, sorry sera who? the fact that she was written by a straight male is enough reason for me to stay away. but i understand straight ppl compaining about this game too. sry thats the last of that now. So you want everyone to be bisexual just for that? I find this very hard to happen again since bioware didn't do it in both ME3 and DAI, it's very clear that they move away from the weird notion of making all romance options available to the player regardeless of gender. It fits better in a character development that they have their own needs instead of just adapting to whatever the main protagonist wants.
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Yas 'Feimorgan' Lana @yas_lana May I ask if there are "minigames" like hacking/bypassing in MEA? @gamblemike aarynflynn😘 Michael Gamble @gamblemike @yas_lana aarynflynn yes. More on that soon!
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 28, 2017 19:46:38 GMT
This game is not The Sims, it's not a banging simulator. Alongside a fair amount of combat, it contains stories and crafted characters, some of which you can romance, some of which you cannot. Player agency is important, but it is character agency, with their desires, flaws and preferences, that make memorable characters (not just F4 to bang). Shall we get on with some tweets?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 19:47:11 GMT
the fact that you dont understand what it has to do with your post, answers that. Ah, the passive aggressive response, always work when you are unable to rationally answer the post. I will try and give a rational answer. And I swear, this will be the last time I post on this thread regarding this issue. I don't know about everyone else, but for me this has gone beyond an issue of me being disappointed I can't romance the character I want to. For me, based on what we know, has been leaked etc. it seems that there isn't going to be an equal balance of love interests for everyone. BioWare has every right to not do that. They don't have to ensure everyone gets an equal number of squadmate LIs and NPC LIs. But BioWare's LGBT fanbase has every right to be let down by the fact that a developer who includes LGBT romances, still heavily lean towards the straight players having more options and usually one could argue the better options as well. It's very easy for straight players to get tired of all the posts people like myself and others make about wanting to see an equal distribution, and a feeling we are being valued and treated equally in regards to the romances. Straight players have the satisfaction of knowing already a character they can romance, and the assurance that either way they will have usually a good number to choose from, squadmates and non-squadmates. At the moment it doesn't seem that way for other people. Once again it seems that the straight male gaze is being favored again. Likely more than one squadmate to choose from, as will straight players playing as Sara who want to pursue a romance with a female character. It's been like this in the past with ME, and based on what is known it looks like it will be the same again. I'm tired of arguing this to be fair, because a lot of people who can rest easy knowing they will be catered for either way and don't really have anything to worry about are getting upset when other people like myself are expressing our right to be upset that we are yet again an afterthought. As a disclaimer, this is still all conjecture on my part regarding the LIs. I could play the game, and end up wrong. But I posted this as a response to the fact that some straight players are getting responsive to the fact some LGBT players are upset at the possibility we aren't getting an equal treatment in regards to the romances and numbers etc. There, I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 19:53:47 GMT
Farthingale @farthingale18If we name a male Ryder Sara will NPCs call him Sara? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoonYou can name M!Ryder Sara if you want, but folks won't call him that. (Who knows, maybe we can support that in a future game) (Not a direct reply to Hrungr's posted tweets but related) Addison Carver Hawke @carverrhawkee @gamblemike @tibermoon @macwalterslives is it true npcs will say ur ryders first name if u keep the default?ive seen talk abt it w no source Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @carverrhawkee @gamblemike @macwalterslives Yup, they do. Not in literally every scene, but certainly where appropriate. Hershel Kaul @hershelkaul @tibermoon @carverrhawkee @gamblemike @macwalterslives Will they still do that if we customise our characters BUT keep the name scott/sara? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @hershelkaul @carverrhawkee @gamblemike @macwalterslives If you keep the name, people will use it, regardless of what you look like. Olivia @livitherpia @tibermoon @gamblemike @macwalterslives Are there any other names that NPC's will say, like the list codsworth had in fallout? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @livitherpia @gamblemike @macwalterslives No, just Scott/Sara.
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Post by Muddy Boots on Jan 28, 2017 20:14:41 GMT
The available romance options (and which Ryder they're available for) are the only character spoilers I'm interested in so I hope it gets leaked fairly early on (though I won't be able to play until March 24). I probably won't decide who to romance until I meet them but I want to know what my options are. The whole not releasing the full list thing for "roleplay" only works for those that don't want to know these things. I understand that they wouldn't release for characters that haven't been revealed or whose existence are plot twists in some way. Doesn't help that I still want to know though. the internet will help me but the trouble will be locating the spoilers I want while avoiding any other spoilers. If you aren't able to play until the 24th, you'll have the full list in multiple sites well before then. There's already a thread planned for it here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 20:21:23 GMT
and about da, da2 was the best in romance department for me, idc about playersexuality or whatever i could romance anyone i want. with inquisition while i liked cass, dorian and josey it was still a fail for me. cass-straight, dorian - suffering gay who wants acceptance and joseys content was little since she wasnt a companion, sorry sera who? the fact that she was written by a straight male is enough reason for me to stay away. but i understand straight ppl compaining about this game too. sry thats the last of that now. So you want everyone to be bisexual just for that? I find this very hard to happen again since bioware didn't do it in both ME3 and DAI, it's very clear that they move away from the weird notion of making all romance options available to the player regardeless of gender. It fits better in a character development that they have their own needs instead of just adapting to whatever the main protagonist wants. i said i liked da2 romance system yes, but im ok with different sexualities in game as long as they have as more content as straight ones gosh i talk that much and ppl still dont hear me.
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Post by Muddy Boots on Jan 28, 2017 20:26:40 GMT
and about da, da2 was the best in romance department for me, idc about playersexuality or whatever i could romance anyone i want. with inquisition while i liked cass, dorian and josey it was still a fail for me. cass-straight, dorian - suffering gay who wants acceptance and joseys content was little since she wasnt a companion, sorry sera who? the fact that she was written by a straight male is enough reason for me to stay away. but i understand straight ppl compaining about this game too. sry thats the last of that now. So you want everyone to be bisexual just for that? I find this very hard to happen again since bioware didn't do it in both ME3 and DAI, it's very clear that they move away from the weird notion of making all romance options available to the player regardeless of gender. It fits better in a character development that they have their own needs instead of just adapting to whatever the main protagonist wants. I agree. And I have no doubt that I'll come across some disappointments when I find someone I want to romance. I know this ahead of time and I accept that fact. I'd rather sacrifice a potential and "fake" romance for more realistic characters.
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Post by DayusMakhina on Jan 28, 2017 20:34:03 GMT
So you want everyone to be bisexual just for that? I find this very hard to happen again since bioware didn't do it in both ME3 and DAI, it's very clear that they move away from the weird notion of making all romance options available to the player regardeless of gender. It fits better in a character development that they have their own needs instead of just adapting to whatever the main protagonist wants. i said i liked da2 romance system yes, but im ok with different sexualities in game as long as they have as more content as straight ones gosh i talk that much and ppl still dont hear me. Why should they have as much content as straight ones? Games are predominantly designed for their largest demographic, because their largest demo are who support them most (by means of buying their product) and without their support they would be in trouble. Studios need their games to be popular to ensure that they still have a job, thus they will inevitably focus more of their efforts towards pleasing the majority of their fan base... usually deemed to be straight males. That's just how mass media works.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 28, 2017 20:35:49 GMT
I agree. And I have no doubt that I'll come across some disappointments when I find someone I want to romance. I know this ahead of time and I accept that fact. I'd rather sacrifice a potential and "fake" romance for more realistic characters. Okay we need to stop this "being bisexual is not realistic" nonsense.
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Post by bshep on Jan 28, 2017 20:43:48 GMT
i said i liked da2 romance system yes, but im ok with different sexualities in game as long as they have as more content as straight ones gosh i talk that much and ppl still dont hear me. Why should they have as much content as straight ones? Games are predominantly designed for their largest demographic, because their largest demo are who support them most (by means of buying their product) and without their support they would be in trouble. Studios need their games to be popular to ensure that they still have a job, thus they will inevitably focus more of their efforts towards pleasing the majority of their fan base... usually deemed to be straight males. That's just how mass media works. That is really not the kind of thing you can accuse Bioware of, they have not been shy on showing sexual diversity on their games. ps: Women really aren't a minority of gamers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 20:47:08 GMT
i said i liked da2 romance system yes, but im ok with different sexualities in game as long as they have as more content as straight ones gosh i talk that much and ppl still dont hear me. Why should they have as much content as straight ones? Games are predominantly designed for their largest demographic, because their largest demo are who support them most (by means of buying their product) and without their support they would be in trouble. Studios need their games to be popular to ensure that they still have a job, thus they will inevitably focus more of their efforts towards pleasing the majority of their fan base... usually deemed to be straight males. That's just how mass media works. omg i wanted to calm down, but we have "you are minority, you deserve less" b*llshit again.
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Post by Rynnju on Jan 28, 2017 20:49:40 GMT
Guys, is there another thread for this or something? I've seen many such arguments in the Twitter thread and they often go on for pages. Might I request you move it elsewhere?
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Post by Muddy Boots on Jan 28, 2017 21:00:25 GMT
I agree. And I have no doubt that I'll come across some disappointments when I find someone I want to romance. I know this ahead of time and I accept that fact. I'd rather sacrifice a potential and "fake" romance for more realistic characters. Okay we need to stop this "being bisexual is not realistic" nonsense. Show me where I said being bisexual is not real? What's not real is every single person you encounter and want to have a sexual relationship with is bisexual.
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Guys, is there another thread for this or something? I've seen many such arguments in the Twitter thread and they often go on for pages. Might I request you move it elsewhere? well im sry that underdogs spam about their problems, i guess we should just go back in the closet and expect small things from mainstream media and dont believe their speeches how progressive they are. so ok, im straight now....aaaaah cora pebeee my scott is such a lucky man who knew those two would be romanceable by a straight male!! cora seemes a bit manly though, girls with such wide jaws dont exist come on, glad they made peebee more pretty she was ugly before:P and sara and liam such cuties adorable im gonna squee all over them, cause hes my knight in shining armor, and they dont touch dude's whinnies eww(aka kaidan, why did they ruin him!!) but i hope hes not like jacob cause all black ppl are the same and hes gonna cheat on me and dump me in the next game "cries". i know this thread is not for such things, but posts talking about "dating sim" started here, so im answering them here too. the actual romance thread discussion is actually civil and i dont see a point in arguing with ppl there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 21:08:52 GMT
I think everyone needs to calm down. Assumptions are not facts. Until MEA is released and we see with our own eyes what is planned, this arguing is only upsetting people who come here to look for important Twitter updates.
The Romance section would be a good place to continue your discussions. We have been debating similar stuff there. Join us!
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Post by Awkward Octopus on Jan 28, 2017 21:11:46 GMT
Discussions (even when argumentative) about gaming culture and diversity and representation are important to have and should be encouraged.
But they do not belong in the Twitter thread.
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Post by Muddy Boots on Jan 28, 2017 21:13:50 GMT
Discussions (even when argumentative) about gaming culture and diversity and representation are important to have and should be encouraged. But they do not belong in the Twitter thread. You are correct. My apologies.
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