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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 15, 2017 19:54:36 GMT
Yeh. Press were always going to get first look. People should take the fact that the game is now being shown to the press as a positive thing and rest easy, because once the press has seen it then the general public gets to. And even if for some completely unconceivable reason Bioware don't the press certainly will so we will 100% be getting far more information in the coming weeks prior to launch. At this point in the game, we should either get a comprehensive gameplay vid at the same time the press gets their hands on, or at the very least a definitive date/time of when we get one. The video will be cut by Bioware anyway. It's probably already done. The message they're sending right now "we're not showing it to you, lalalalalalala", and considering how many people have expressed their dislike of how they've been handling things so far, they just shouldn't. I'm count myself among the group of people dissatisfied with how this game is being marketed, but it's gotta be difficult for the devs too. They're the middle man between us and the marketing folks. I'm sure they'd love to share with us all the stuff they've spent so much overtime 'crunching' away on. I don't think anything is going to change at this point. Marketing set a schedule and has no reason to change it this late in the game. They're not the ones who have to deal with us rabid fans. That falls to guys like Ian and the other devs that have a presence on twitter.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 15, 2017 19:55:13 GMT
Brett_Hagey@tibermoon ir would be great is the fans could see some more gameplay. Ian S. Frazier@brett_Hagey You will. I know it's hard to have patience, but it's coming, I promise. Ian's tweet does lend credence to Shinobi's post, but I'd recommend against putting too much stock in the details. Those are often subject to change, and end up far different from the expectations his posts create. Last June is a perfect example of this. This "15 min gameplay demo" people are whispering about could end up being a 5 min dev-guided talk-over that shows little. (I have no idea what Shinobi actually promised in detail, that's just an example.) Ian provides no date, either, so I'd say it's best that everyone chill and just take what they give, when they give it. It sucks, but we can't speed up their timeline. Set expectations to zero each morning, and be surprised when something is released: That's my typical approach, as thin as it's wearing. i believe the part about fifteen minute gp vid came from Ian himself about a month ago. The timing is the Shinobi part.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 19:55:16 GMT
I still think it's no big deal, but maybe that's just me. In 1 month we get to play this game until we burn out. If it was 6 months away and they did this, I could see the rage, but we're nearly there and we also have more profiles coming out. Roughly 4 weeks to go and still lots of time for things to happen, but waiting every second of the day for an update only upsets, aggravates and slows time. I agree 100% about people getting too upset. Not everyone is sold on the game, though, and I think that's the issue. ME is in a unique position of being a beloved IP that also managed to completely alienate a lot of its fans. Many expected to feel much more confident about MEA than they're feeling, at this point, and it's putting people on edge. They weren't expecting to feel divided about Mass Effect one month from release. Ikr I've been looking at comments around sites seeing many people who enjoyed the trilogy talk about whether or not they should get it simply because they haven't seen enough. I want to see their sales numbers after the first week of release. Does Bioware usually make this information public?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 19:55:51 GMT
I still think it's no big deal, but maybe that's just me. In 1 month we get to play this game until we burn out. If it was 6 months away and they did this, I could see the rage, but we're nearly there and we also have more profiles coming out. Roughly 4 weeks to go and still lots of time for things to happen, but waiting every second of the day for an update only upsets, aggravates and slows time. I agree 100% about people getting too upset. Not everyone is sold on the game, though, and I think that's the issue. ME is in a unique position of being a beloved IP that also managed to completely alienate, or at least partially disappoint, a lot of its fans. Many expected to feel much more confident about MEA than they're feeling, at this point, and it's putting people on edge. They weren't expecting to feel divided about Mass Effect one month from release. I think comparing the marketing to the previous titles was sort of a way to get an idea of what was coming up, but since BW threw that out the window, people have nothing to base anything on and are constantly scrambling for anything to keep them on track.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 19:56:16 GMT
I still think it's no big deal, but maybe that's just me. In 1 month we get to play this game until we burn out. If it was 6 months away and they did this, I could see the rage, but we're nearly there and we also have more profiles coming out. Roughly 4 weeks to go and still lots of time for things to happen, but waiting every second of the day for an update only upsets, aggravates and slows time. Definitely, if people are getting upset probably best they find something else to do that gets them by. I can wait for the game. I'm just enjoying having a nice business discussion. Hopefully this doesn't cause anyone to get heated. Soon™ it will. But, honestly, we've already waited 5 years. What's one more month? I'm not even gonna get it March 21st. I'm gonna wait a few weeks to see what everyone is thinking. I hope they never repeat this strategy though.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 15, 2017 19:57:29 GMT
I agree 100% about people getting too upset. Not everyone is sold on the game, though, and I think that's the issue. ME is in a unique position of being a beloved IP that also managed to completely alienate, or at least partially disappoint, a lot of its fans. Many expected to feel much more confident about MEA than they're feeling, at this point, and it's putting people on edge. They weren't expecting to feel divided about Mass Effect one month from release. I think comparing the marketing to the previous titles was sort of a way to get an idea of what was coming up, but since BW threw that out the window, people have nothing to base anything on and are constantly scrambling for anything to keep them on track. They've compared the new marketing practice to what Bethesda did with Fallout 4. However, we knew a helluva lot more about Fallout 4 a month before it's release.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 15, 2017 19:58:16 GMT
I still think it's no big deal, but maybe that's just me. In 1 month we get to play this game until we burn out. If it was 6 months away and they did this, I could see the rage, but we're nearly there and we also have more profiles coming out. Roughly 4 weeks to go and still lots of time for things to happen, but waiting every second of the day for an update only upsets, aggravates and slows time. I agree 100% about people getting too upset. Not everyone is sold on the game, though, and I think that's the issue. ME is in a unique position of being a beloved IP that also managed to completely alienate, or at least partially disappoint, a lot of its fans. Many expected to feel much more confident about MEA than they're feeling, at this point, and it's putting people on edge. They weren't expecting to feel divided about Mass Effect one month from release. Pretty much. There's a sizable segment of the old audience they'll have to win back. Silence won't do it.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 15, 2017 19:58:35 GMT
Ian's tweet does lend credence to Shinobi's post, but I'd recommend against putting too much stock in the details. Those are often subject to change, and end up far different from the expectations his posts create. Last June is a perfect example of this. This "15 min gameplay demo" people are whispering about could end up being a 5 min dev-guided talk-over that shows little. (I have no idea what Shinobi actually promised in detail, that's just an example.) Ian provides no date, either, so I'd say it's best that everyone chill and just take what they give, when they give it. It sucks, but we can't speed up their timeline. Set expectations to zero each morning, and be surprised when something is released: That's my typical approach, as thin as it's wearing. i believe the part about fifteen minute gp vid came from Ian himself about a month ago. The timing is the Shinobi part. This is very good news indeed. Thanks for telling me. The pieces start to fall into place, possibly painting a more optimistic picture, in terms of this video actually happening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 19:58:52 GMT
Fear not my fellow fans . In a little more than a month, everything will be over. The anxiety and our depression will be replaced by tears of joy or shouts of rage. Anything that happens before that, I'm already considering a bonus. It is getting there. It's almost 28 days later, now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 19:59:01 GMT
Definitely, if people are getting upset probably best they find something else to do that gets them by. I can wait for the game. I'm just enjoying having a nice business discussion. Hopefully this doesn't cause anyone to get heated. Soon™ it will. But, honestly, We've already waited 5 years. What's one more month? I'm not even gonna get it March 21st. I'm gonna wait a few weeks to see what everyone is thinking. I hope they never repeat this strategy though. One thing I've been thinking. Maybe their marketing was more sympathetic this time as in, they genuinely want us to not see early gameplay and get our expectations too high like DAI and other games did with their early footage, but I guess them releasing early gameplay of peeBee's loyalty mission kind of makes that a no lol. Bioware is trolling so hard in every department right now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 20:00:00 GMT
I think comparing the marketing to the previous titles was sort of a way to get an idea of what was coming up, but since BW threw that out the window, people have nothing to base anything on and are constantly scrambling for anything to keep them on track. They've compared the new marketing practice to what Bethesda did with Fallout 4. However, we knew a helluva lot more about Fallout 4 a month before it's release. That's the thing isn't it? Everyone still had more to go by, but MEA has very little, so there is nothing it can really be compared to atm.
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Post by elanor on Feb 15, 2017 20:00:24 GMT
I still think it's no big deal, but maybe that's just me. In 1 month we get to play this game until we burn out. If it was 6 months away and they did this, I could see the rage, but we're nearly there and we also have more profiles coming out. Roughly 4 weeks to go and still lots of time for things to happen, but waiting every second of the day for an update only upsets, aggravates and slows time. Well, I'm still wondering about preorder so I see why people want to see a bit more. Best way to ease waiting is stop thinking about it.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Feb 15, 2017 20:02:17 GMT
I'm count myself among the group of people dissatisfied with how this game is being marketed, but it's gotta be difficult for the devs too. They're the middle man between us and the marketing folks. I'm sure they'd love to share with us all the stuff they've spent so much overtime 'crunching' away on. I don't think anything is going to change at this point. Marketing set a schedule and has no reason to change it this late in the game. They're not the ones who have to deal with us rabid fans. That falls to guys like Ian and the other devs that have a presence on twitter. Oh, I have no beef with the devs. My whole point is about how this strategy sucks. Sopmeone should call the marketing guys and say "look, our fans hate you with the heat of ten thousand Suns. Change this approach, it's only alienating people". Of course, it's not happening (nor it's that simple), but that doesn't prevent me from calling this approach BS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 20:02:38 GMT
Soon™ it will. But, honestly, We've already waited 5 years. What's one more month? I'm not even gonna get it March 21st. I'm gonna wait a few weeks to see what everyone is thinking. I hope they never repeat this strategy though. One thing I've been thinking. Maybe their marketing was more sympathetic this time as in, they genuinely want us to not see early gameplay and get our expectations too high like DAI and other games did with their early footage, but I guess them releasing early gameplay of peeBee's loyalty mission kind of makes that a no lol. Bioware is trolling so hard in every department right now DAI was too much and MEA is too little. By the time DA4 is out, hopefully they have found a balance.
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BioWare @bioware Arriving at our recording studio for the first time, @kumailn learns who he'll be playing in Mass Effect: Andromeda:
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Post by Iakus on Feb 15, 2017 20:03:49 GMT
They've compared the new marketing practice to what Bethesda did with Fallout 4. However, we knew a helluva lot more about Fallout 4 a month before it's release. That's the thing isn't it? Everyone still had more to go by, but MEA has very little, so there is nothing it can really be compared to atm. Well, there's ME3... SO BE IT!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 20:04:32 GMT
One thing I've been thinking. Maybe their marketing was more sympathetic this time as in, they genuinely want us to not see early gameplay and get our expectations too high like DAI and other games did with their early footage, but I guess them releasing early gameplay of peeBee's loyalty mission kind of makes that a no lol. Bioware is trolling so hard in every department right now DAI was too much and MEA is too little. By the time DA4 is out, hopefully they have found a balance. Only our friend Solas will be able to answer that one for us, since he'll be getting the spotlight in that game. EDIT: His latest status is the best thing ever.
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Post by elanor on Feb 15, 2017 20:05:13 GMT
Definitely, if people are getting upset probably best they find something else to do that gets them by. I can wait for the game. I'm just enjoying having a nice business discussion. Hopefully this doesn't cause anyone to get heated. Soon™ it will. But, honestly, we've already waited 5 years. What's one more month? I'm not even gonna get it March 21st. I'm gonna wait a few weeks to see what everyone is thinking.I hope they never repeat this strategy though. Congrats on restrain. I don't think I can do it. If they said it gets relesed today and it's in shops I would dress up and run to store and buy it (and it's 9 pm in my place). I'm that hyped. xd
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Post by Psychedelic on Feb 15, 2017 20:05:30 GMT
I still think it's no big deal, but maybe that's just me. In 1 month we get to play this game until we burn out. If it was 6 months away and they did this, I could see the rage, but we're nearly there and we also have more profiles coming out. Roughly 4 weeks to go and still lots of time for things to happen, but waiting every second of the day for an update only upsets, aggravates and slows time. Well, I'm still wondering about preorder so I see why people want to see a bit more. Best way to ease waiting is stop thinking about it. It's obvious we are doing a great job with this, all of us here .
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Post by elanor on Feb 15, 2017 20:06:37 GMT
Well, I'm still wondering about preorder so I see why people want to see a bit more. Best way to ease waiting is stop thinking about it. Interesting dilemma I'm in: I know that I should keep myself grounded and find another game to play in the meantime, but I load up games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and I'm like "feel like mass effect not this" I bought Fallout 4 to keep myself occupied but it's not working very well too.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 15, 2017 20:07:38 GMT
Yeh. Press were always going to get first look. People should take the fact that the game is now being shown to the press as a positive thing and rest easy, because once the press has seen it then the general public gets to. And even if for some completely unconceivable reason Bioware don't the press certainly will so we will 100% be getting far more information in the coming weeks prior to launch. Exactly! This is all good stuff and it means the wait is almost over! Sadly this is also the time where it feels like an eternity for some of us. If all the press is going to do is write a paragraph about how good the game is then it was a waste of time imo. If the trailer is only around 2min of scene to scene rather than uncut gameplay again people's opinion on that Bioware is not confident in their product will only be reinforced therefore potentially reducing the initial release date sales. It's supposed to be 15 minutes according to Shinobi.yeah I think it is supposed to be the 15 minute one I think this week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 20:07:39 GMT
BioWare @biowareArriving at our recording studio for the first time, @kumailn learns who he'll be playing in Mass Effect: Andromeda: Scylla Costa @scyllacosta Very important role. and there's Hrungr getting us back on topic
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 15, 2017 20:07:56 GMT
I still think it's no big deal, but maybe that's just me. In 1 month we get to play this game until we burn out. If it was 6 months away and they did this, I could see the rage, but we're nearly there and we also have more profiles coming out. Roughly 4 weeks to go and still lots of time for things to happen, but waiting every second of the day for an update only upsets, aggravates and slows time. Well, I'm still wondering about preorder so I see why people want to see a bit more. Best way to ease waiting is stop thinking about it. Amazon gives a significant discount on preordered games at checkout. If I'm still undecided after March 17, I might preorder via Amazon and just not open it until I've read reviews I trust. Returns with Amazon are easy, if need be. This way, I get my discount and game, if it turns out well. I get to play it without waiting or dragging myself to the store (chronic illness spoonie), if it turns out well. I'd still prefer to have my mind made up in advance, and not play around like that.
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Post by cmdrLefebvre on Feb 15, 2017 20:09:27 GMT
I think comparing the marketing to the previous titles was sort of a way to get an idea of what was coming up, but since BW threw that out the window, people have nothing to base anything on and are constantly scrambling for anything to keep them on track. They've compared the new marketing practice to what Bethesda did with Fallout 4. However, we knew a helluva lot more about Fallout 4 a month before it's release. Exactly. I understand Bioware is trying to avoid No Man's Sky hype, and I commend them for that. But they've swung so far to the other side that they've created an echo chamber, where rumors about the dev team and trolls exaggerating animation blips have dominated discussion among the wider gaming community. While everyone on this forum will probably buy the game I wonder if any potential newbies have been turned off as a result.
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Post by elanor on Feb 15, 2017 20:09:37 GMT
Well, I'm still wondering about preorder so I see why people want to see a bit more. Best way to ease waiting is stop thinking about it. It's obvious we are doing a great job with this, all of us here . Of course that everyone here don't care about this game at all.
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