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Post by colfoley on Feb 15, 2017 21:51:56 GMT
I think there are two main reasons why they are waiting so late to show off signficant gameplay, other then the ones I touched in on that herk da durr BioWare instructional video thread. 1. The closeer they get to release the more likely that whatever they show us, will actually be in the game, and will actually be as seen IE no bugs, animations the same, gameplay mechanics perfect. And B. So everyone is on the same page so if someone asks Ian a question on Twitter it will be answered pretty much the same way then when they ask Gamble that same question. We are 5 weeks from launch. That says to me that they're still in balls-to-the-wall scramble mode. It lends further credence to my "they've long been way behind schedule" idea. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if they've been behind, as long as they finish well. And delivering as promised is better than over-promising and under performing. Still, the annoyance from potential customers is understandable. I know it's likely getting tiresome to hear (I've been away, so I'm fresh ), but it's still a valid stance. I don't know I get the feeling that, from the tweets, development is going extremly well. They are just waiting on the preagreed time that Marketing has agreed to start talking about the gameplay, to happen.
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Graham Scott biomasika Last night I had the most glorious idea for something. I look forward to seeing where this will lead.
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Feb 15, 2017 21:58:35 GMT
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 15, 2017 22:04:58 GMT
Wow, that's Toronto? Damn It's certainly not down town Toronto.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 15, 2017 22:10:36 GMT
Tom Taylorson @taylorson Had another of those "I love this job" days. Talk to you about it in... a month? Maybe? Not sure... MarieRenée Brisebois @mariebriseboisIs that tweet about "burrito"? - Tell me this is code for something... and not actually a burrito.
Tom Taylorson @taylorsonUnfortunately no! Kinda wish it were. I miss #space
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SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody @joanna_Berry What would you say are adjectives that most describe Cora in MEA?
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That's a bummer, entirely subjective though. I love the idea personally, if you're going to have two possible PC's existing at the same time I prefer them to be distinct while still hitting the same beats. You can still give plenty of choice while not having the two PC's have the exact same options, said in the exact same way. Eh, if she dislikes it so much he can always just not get the game. Hopefully he gets it and finds that he actually likes it though. People are too quick to say they hate things we know so little about in my opinion. We don't really know if they'll actually be distinct or if they'll both have the exact same options, said the exact same way in any given situation. It's too early to say you don't like it if you ask me. But it's certainly her right to hate it regardless. Um, yes we do. Bioware has explicitely stated that: Q: Does player-character gender affect the interactions, dialogue, or story? Mike Gamble: Sort of. The story is the same, but the options and voiceover and personality that comes out is different between Scott and Sarah. The writers have gone through to make sure that the responses that Scott says and the responses that Sarah says are different, because they're two individual characters and they're not the same person. Well, thanks for the info ! Didn't know that, I'm sorry you don't like it. I personally think that sounds like an awesome idea myself. Assuming they go the DA:I route and have lots of choice, it should make a second playthrough with Sara even more interesting because I won't hear the exact same line.
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Post by JayKay on Feb 15, 2017 22:19:49 GMT
Damn, it's only 25 bucks? I got the first volume of it back in November and I still haven't finished it, but I might get that if it's that cheap... Speaking of, the first four issues of Mass Effect: Foundations, which that omnibus covers, is also available for free under Comixology's "Comixology Unlimited" subscription service. It's a bit of a misnomer, since it rotates different books to be borrowed and read at your leisure, but if you're looking for a cheap way to read those books and a bunch of other comics, I definitely recommend it.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 15, 2017 22:21:45 GMT
Geralt and ME3 shepard are in the same camp. Ryder won't be. Their primary conversation system has 4 choices per wheel, all of them tone-options and not investigative, so regardless of whether there's a bunch of autodialogue you'll still get more choices per dialogue wheel. Imagine if you didn't change ME3's autodialogue but added in one neutral option per conversation wheel. That's already much much better for roleplaying than what we got. Don't worry, it'll be great! They also took feedback from autodialogue and addressed that in DA:I which had an absolutely staggering amount of dialogue choices. ME3 writer Patrick Weekes directly talked about this at a panel saying they did hear the concerns about autodialogue being too much in ME3 and he thought BioWare would most likely avoid going overboard in the future. Remains to be seen if their new IP even has dialogue choices though (it's not an RPG for starters) but I think you can count on it being well made in ME:A for the time being. This isn't specifically about the dialogue system. As characters, Scott and Sara are more defined by the narrative than Shepard was because they continue to exist even if you don't play as one of them. If you play as Sara, the game is going to show you the semi-canonical interpretation of Scott through his involvement in the story. So when it comes time for you to do a Scott playthrough we (some of us) will be constantly thinking about how the game expects Scott to act versus how we want Scott to act. Yes it's ultimately our decision but it will still feel, in a minor way, that we're breaking canon to do it. Also, Geralt is in a class all his own as he was almost completely defined by the narrative well before even the first game. As he had several novels already written about him by that point. Yeah, I get it. So, you want a create-a-character as in DA:O and DA:I right? I get why it sucks it won't be that but it'll most likely be a Shepard. We're still picking pre-service history and backgrounds for these kids. That has been confirmed.
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Too bad I already have all the volumes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 15, 2017 22:34:47 GMT
This isn't specifically about the dialogue system. As characters, Scott and Sara are more defined by the narrative than Shepard was because they continue to exist even if you don't play as one of them. If you play as Sara, the game is going to show you the semi-canonical interpretation of Scott through his involvement in the story. So when it comes time for you to do a Scott playthrough we (some of us) will be constantly thinking about how the game expects Scott to act versus how we want Scott to act. Yes it's ultimately our decision but it will still feel, in a minor way, that we're breaking canon to do it. Also, Geralt is in a class all his own as he was almost completely defined by the narrative well before even the first game. As he had several novels already written about him by that point. Yeah, I get it. So, you want a create-a-character as in DA:O and DA:I right?I get why it sucks it won't be that but it'll most likely be a Shepard. We're still picking pre-service history and backgrounds for these kids. That has been confirmed. Yes, I want Mass Effect to have that.
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Post by sosolaris on Feb 15, 2017 22:36:19 GMT
Problem is a lot of people feel that takes away from our agency as players and crafters of our own story. More defined characters serve a narrative better but give us less control. It's a balance and only personal preference really matters, there's no right or wrong. Ryder twins will be better in that regard than, say, a character like Geralt. But we wont have as much control as we did with Shepard. Their primary conversation system has 4 choices per wheel, all of them tone-options and not investigative, so regardless of whether there's a bunch of autodialogue you'll still get more choices per dialogue wheel. Imagine if you didn't change ME3's autodialogue but added in one neutral option per conversation wheel. That's already much much better for roleplaying than what we got. Don't worry, it'll be great! They also took feedback from autodialogue and addressed that in DA:I which had an absolutely staggering amount of dialogue choices. ME3 writer Patrick Weekes directly talked about this at a panel saying they did hear the concerns about autodialogue being too much in ME3 and he thought BioWare would most likely avoid going overboard in the future. Do we know for sure that every interactive conversation will have the four tone options? It seems influenced by DAI's dialogue system, but if I recall correctly, most normal conversations in that game only had three options, with the occasional emotional response giving you the four options total. I've been wondering if MEA is similar, in that heart, head, professional and casual are just emotional opportunities while most "normal" dialogue won't have them. I know that the devs have been talking up the four options a lot, but so did the DAI devs before release. Either way, I'm not likely to be majorly disappointed, just something I wish they'd show in the next gameplay reveal. It's also assuring to hear that Patrick Weekes addressed the auto dialogue concerns, and it is true that there was much less of it in DAI. I'm still a bit skeptical, since DAI is managed by a different core team and who knows what could've changed since Weekes transferred over, but we'll see. I also gotta say, it's a weird juxtaposition to be the one providing most of the cynicism after quoting a linkenski post. Especially when "don't worry, it'll be great!" is in it.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 15, 2017 22:36:27 GMT
You could always replay or just play DA:O or DA:I again? Along with custom-crafted world states they offer plenty of variety in choices.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 22:37:14 GMT
Tom Taylorson @taylorson Had another of those "I love this job" days. Talk to you about it in... a month? Maybe? Not sure... MarieRenée Brisebois @mariebriseboisIs that tweet about "burrito"? - Tell me this is code for something... and not actually a burrito.
Tom Taylorson @taylorsonUnfortunately no! Kinda wish it were. I miss #space
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 15, 2017 22:43:05 GMT
So do I. I like the fact they're going to be young and a bit green and I'm hoping we get a chance to mould them a bit to our liking. Also if the MEA game ends up being a series hopefully we can choose how they grow into their role as a hero as well. Considering how many variables it already creates just which one becomes the pathfinder in ME:A I doubt Ryder will be the ongoing protagonist if they continue this branch-series of Mass Effect after this game. If ME:A2 features Ryder the way DA:I featured Hawke (DA2 protagonist) then that would be incredible too. That was IMHO a really satisfying way to incorporate a previous player character as an NPC. His dialogue reflected your most used tone in DA2 so it felt consistent. The only problem was that one specific class of mages were ignored by the writing, which was jarring. Maybe maybe not either way I know we won't find out yet anyway but I do think it's a good idea if MEA does well but only t5ime will tell if that happens.
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I thought they were using a wedge of Parmesan at first.
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Pat @miracl3work3r Hellllllloooooo Paris. #MEA Warning: stupid joke follows ... Knock, knock. Who's there? Escargot. Escargot who? Escargot beep, beep.
Knock, knock. Who's there? Ether. Ether who? Ether Bunny.
Knock, knock. Who's there? Escargot beep, beep. Escargot beep, beep who? Escargot beep, beep, run over Ether Bunny.
Knock, knock. Who's there? Boo. Boo who? Awww, don't cry, next year there will be another Ether Bunny.
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SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody @joanna_Berry What would you say are adjectives that most describe Cora in MEA? Jo Berry @joanna_Berry
@of_somebody Professional, supportive, fearless. Just made a twitter account today and she responds in 20min lol Now you're not only reporting the tweets you're making them happen.
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Pat @miracl3work3r Hellllllloooooo Paris. #MEA Warning: stupid joke follows ... Knock, knock. Who's there? Escargot. Escargot who? Escargot beep, beep.
Knock, knock. Who's there? Ether. Ether who? Ether Bunny.
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Knock, knock. Who's there? Boo. Boo who? Awww, don't cry, next year there will be another Ether Bunny. That journey was a lot longer than it looked.
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SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody @joanna_Berry What would you say are adjectives that most describe Cora in MEA? Jo Berry @joanna_Berry
@of_somebody Professional, supportive, fearless. Just made a twitter account today and she responds in 20min lol Can you ask something for me then, since I don't have twitter? Will SMGs have their own animations or still the same as pistols?
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I thought they were using a wedge of Parmesan at first. So ... cutting (with) the cheese?
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SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody @joanna_Berry What would you say are adjectives that most describe Cora in MEA? Jo Berry @joanna_Berry
@of_somebody Professional, supportive, fearless. Just made a twitter account today and she responds in 20min lol Can you ask something for me then, since I don't have twitter? Will SMGs have their own animations or still the same as pistols? Sure! I just need to know who would be the best dev to ask that to.
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