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I had hoped that they would've had the Conduit stashed away secretly on board. Who says it even works at this point? Or that it could work at intergalactic distances? I got the impression that it was a one-way bsckdoor onto the Citadel; but it's been long enough since I've played that I can't say that for certain. That might be my own assumptions at work. Assuming it's functional, there's no way I'd allow that, were I in a position to stop it. Sending a backdoor to the Citadel 634 LY into the unknown? "What could possibly go wrong?" Basically, it probably would not work. It's a Prothean experiment, not a true Reaper relay. Even if it does work, it's not close to worthy of the risk. The Citadel is far more important than 100K wackos who decided to go to Andromeda. Assuming it worked, anything could come through the conduit onto the Citadel. I'd say that's a lot of assumptions. We knew very little about it, other than it was a function relay that connected to another on the Citadel. The Asari were close to a level where they were considering building Relays, so it wouldn't be too huge a stretch that a method was found to link the two, or link the Conduit to the Citadel. Afterall, there were hints that they wanted to link MW and the Andromeda Galaxy at some point. Presumably there was a plan in place for that.
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 14, 2018 1:13:28 GMT
Who says it even works at this point? Or that it could work at intergalactic distances? I got the impression that it was a one-way bsckdoor onto the Citadel; but it's been long enough since I've played that I can't say that for certain. That might be my own assumptions at work. Assuming it's functional, there's no way I'd allow that, were I in a position to stop it. Sending a backdoor to the Citadel 634 LY into the unknown? "What could possibly go wrong?" Basically, it probably would not work. It's a Prothean experiment, not a true Reaper relay. Even if it does work, it's not close to worthy of the risk. The Citadel is far more important than 100K wackos who decided to go to Andromeda. Assuming it worked, anything could come through the conduit onto the Citadel. I'd say that's a lot of assumptions. We knew very little about it, other than it was a function relay that connected to another on the Citadel. The Asari were close to a level where they were considering building Relays, so it wouldn't be too huge a stretch that a method was found to link the two, or link the Conduit to the Citadel. Afterall, there were hints that they wanted to link MW and the Andromeda Galaxy at some point. Presumably there was a plan in place for that. For sure it would happen, eventually. That was the explicitly stated plan of the Ai. I just think linking the unknown to the heart of your civilization is madness. We don't even know if true relays can connect at intergalactic distances. I wouldn't have much confidence in the protheans' mini-relay. Maybe the Asari were advanced enough (hoarding knowledge) to consider trying something like this. What we actually had was one matriarch suggesting as much and having "the blue laughed up her ass". I like the way she thinks; but we can't assume it was feasible just because Aethyta thought it was a good goal. I hope that, if we ever get to see the MEA story continued and reconnected with the Milky Way, they use a more believable, less obvious MacGuggin. Whether they discover a way, invent a way, or whatever, I don't think it should be that they brought half of the Conduit. This discussion actually makes me ponder whether the benefactor ever thought the MW species would be going home. We know so little. We do know that the Reapers were the true motivation, rather than those reasons given via Ai propaganda. From a real-world standpoint, it only makes sense that BioWare would eventually bring things home, had the IP remained a money-maker for a long enough time.
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Post by dazk on Jan 14, 2018 1:42:57 GMT
So many loose ends in MEA, they damn well better follow it up with a sequel or I'll ........... aaaaahhhh play another game It was so disappointing to not get DLC that could have at least given us some answers to the benefactor and other issues. I really hope that they be kind and announce something in the near future but I will not be holding my breath.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 14, 2018 4:04:58 GMT
I'd say that's a lot of assumptions. We knew very little about it, other than it was a function relay that connected to another on the Citadel. The Asari were close to a level where they were considering building Relays, so it wouldn't be too huge a stretch that a method was found to link the two, or link the Conduit to the Citadel. Afterall, there were hints that they wanted to link MW and the Andromeda Galaxy at some point. Presumably there was a plan in place for that. For sure it would happen, eventually. That was the explicitly stated plan of the Ai. I just think linking the unknown to the heart of your civilization is madness. We don't even know if true relays can connect at intergalactic distances. I wouldn't have much confidence in the protheans' mini-relay. Maybe the Asari were advanced enough (hoarding knowledge) to consider trying something like this. What we actually had was one matriarch suggesting as much and having "the blue laughed up her ass". I like the way she thinks; but we can't assume it was feasible just because Aethyta thought it was a good goal. I hope that, if we ever get to see the MEA story continued and reconnected with the Milky Way, they use a more believable, less obvious MacGuggin. Whether they discover a way, invent a way, or whatever, I don't think it should be that they brought half of the Conduit. This discussion actually makes me ponder whether the benefactor ever thought the MW species would be going home. We know so little. We do know that the Reapers were the true motivation, rather than those reasons given via Ai propaganda. From a real-world standpoint, it only makes sense that BioWare would eventually bring things home, had the IP remained a money-maker for a long enough time. How about finding billion year old Leviathan relays?
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 14, 2018 10:51:28 GMT
For sure it would happen, eventually. That was the explicitly stated plan of the Ai. I just think linking the unknown to the heart of your civilization is madness. We don't even know if true relays can connect at intergalactic distances. I wouldn't have much confidence in the protheans' mini-relay. Maybe the Asari were advanced enough (hoarding knowledge) to consider trying something like this. What we actually had was one matriarch suggesting as much and having "the blue laughed up her ass". I like the way she thinks; but we can't assume it was feasible just because Aethyta thought it was a good goal. I hope that, if we ever get to see the MEA story continued and reconnected with the Milky Way, they use a more believable, less obvious MacGuggin. Whether they discover a way, invent a way, or whatever, I don't think it should be that they brought half of the Conduit. This discussion actually makes me ponder whether the benefactor ever thought the MW species would be going home. We know so little. We do know that the Reapers were the true motivation, rather than those reasons given via Ai propaganda. From a real-world standpoint, it only makes sense that BioWare would eventually bring things home, had the IP remained a money-maker for a long enough time. How about finding billion year old Leviathan relays? Maybe, though I'd rather not see that in Andromeda. I like the Leviathans okay as a Milky Way thing. If they spread to other galaxies, though, we'd potentially need an equally insane reason as to why they lost dominance. It's easy enough to say there was a Leviathan plague that killed them off, I guess. That's mundane and plausible. Did they use relays? Or did they just slowly spread across the stars? I'm aware of the distances involved. Who's to say it's not feasible with no real timeline and strange anatomy? (It's worth noting that the Reaper AI later conceived and built the relay network to optimize the harvest. It didn't repurpose an existing network.) Both the Leviathan and Reaper tech we find has been fashioned or maintained in the near present, cosmologically. (50K years isn't even the blink of an eye.) A billion year old piece of tech would something. A billion year old relay would be incredible. There are so many possibilities, whether they manage to reverse engineer a Reaper mass relay, or find something entirely new. Maybe the mass relay is the best idea, in order to preserve some semblance of "Mass Effect". If they had a good alternative, though, I'd be willing to go with it.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 14, 2018 17:37:24 GMT
How about finding billion year old Leviathan relays? Maybe, though I'd rather not see that in Andromeda. I like the Leviathans okay as a Milky Way thing. If they spread to other galaxies, though, we'd potentially need an equally insane reason as to why they lost dominance. It's easy enough to say there was a Leviathan plague that killed them off, I guess. That's mundane and plausible. Did they use relays? Or did they just slowly spread across the stars? I'm aware of the distances involved. Who's to say it's not feasible with no real timeline and strange anatomy? (It's worth noting that the Reaper AI later conceived and built the relay network to optimize the harvest. It didn't repurpose an existing network.) Both the Leviathan and Reaper tech we find has been fashioned or maintained in the near present, cosmologically. (50K years isn't even the blink of an eye.) A billion year old piece of tech would something. A billion year old relay would be incredible. There are so many possibilities, whether they manage to reverse engineer a Reaper mass relay, or find something entirely new. Maybe the mass relay is the best idea, in order to preserve some semblance of "Mass Effect". If they had a good alternative, though, I'd be willing to go with it. They don't explicitly say they use relays. But given the Reapers created the network, I'd say it's not a stretch that the Leviathans had the technology before, and the Reapers improved and capitalized on it. As to why they lost dominance...plague, war with another precursor race, disaster, or even general ennui. Heck maybe the Andromeda races are too different for their mental powers to work properly on them?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 14, 2018 18:02:46 GMT
Ah yes, the giant microphone. You do not know them, and there's not enough time to explain. Too bad Shepard couldn't sing a song. Once he/she hits a high note, the reapers will be destroyed.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 14, 2018 20:37:17 GMT
Right now, I hear your voice saying "Come here to me." Just when it seemed loneliness had beaten me. Right now, I see you walking over to me. I close my eyes and wait for you to come. Till yesterday, it seemed filled only with tears. But now my heart is * Do you remember? The time when our eyes first met? Do you remember? The time when our hands first touched? That was the very first time I set out on the journey of love. I love you so. Right now, I can feel your gaze though you're not here with me. And in my body a warmth begins to glow. Right now, I believe in your love, so won't you please watch over me from so far away? Till yesterday it seemed filled only with tears. Now the world is... ** I'm not alone anymore now that you're here with me. Macross : Do You Remember Love
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Post by dazk on Jan 14, 2018 20:49:24 GMT
Right now, I hear your voice saying "Come here to me." Just when it seemed loneliness had beaten me. Right now, I see you walking over to me. I close my eyes and wait for you to come. Till yesterday, it seemed filled only with tears. But now my heart is * Do you remember? The time when our eyes first met? Do you remember? The time when our hands first touched? That was the very first time I set out on the journey of love. I love you so. Right now, I can feel your gaze though you're not here with me. And in my body a warmth begins to glow. Right now, I believe in your love, so won't you please watch over me from so far away? Till yesterday it seemed filled only with tears. Now the world is... ** I'm not alone anymore now that you're here with me. Macross : Do You Remember Love Unicephalon 40-D please tell me you copied and pasted that and didn't write it from memory or I'll be scarred forever
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 15, 2018 7:54:35 GMT
please tell me you copied and pasted that and didn't write it from memory or I'll be scarred forever Yep I copy pasted it from my shell, which has the textfile ... the thing is I cannot remember it correctly probably ever, because the first version I ever saw was dubbed in Swedish, as my friend bought the VHS from sweden. That messes up completely what I remember as the words, but I will always remember the melody.
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 15, 2018 21:46:51 GMT
How about my favorite series? I think we all know which three hours of ME3 I'd change. Everything from Priority: Thessia onward goes into the waste bin. Do over, please.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 15, 2018 23:26:38 GMT
Game Informer: Reader Discussion – If You Could Change One Thing About Your Favorite Game, What Would It Be? In ME2 not have Shepard dead at the beginning. Have it where Shepard survives. After two years of trying to find a way to stop the reapers, Shepard is approached by Miranda who says that human colonists have gone missing and the Alliance refuses to do anything. Once Shepard learns the Alliance doesn't care about their own species by not investigating what's going on, she/he works with Cerberus to find out what has happened to the colonists. I will add one more thing. Not a change, but a removal. I would remove the broker dlc from ME2 How about my favorite series? I think we all know which three hours of ME3 I'd change. Everything from Priority: Thessia onward goes into the waste bin. Do over, please. I would change to what Bioware originally had, Thessia before Citadel coup. If not, I would redo the whole priority Earth, at least from the suicide run until Shepard chooses whatever ending
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 15, 2018 23:44:32 GMT
Game Informer: Reader Discussion – If You Could Change One Thing About Your Favorite Game, What Would It Be? In ME2 not have Shepard dead at the beginning. Have it where Shepard survives. After two years of trying to find a way to stop the reapers, Shepard is approached by Miranda who says that human colonists have gone missing and the Alliance refuses to do anything. Once Shepard learns the Alliance doesn't care about their own species by not investigating what's going on, she/he works with Cerberus to find out what has happened to the colonists. I will add one more thing. Not a change, but a removal. I would remove the broker dlc from ME2 How about my favorite series? I think we all know which three hours of ME3 I'd change. Everything from Priority: Thessia onward goes into the waste bin. Do over, please. I would change to what Bioware originally had, Thessia before Citadel coup. If not, I would redo the whole priority Earth, at least from the suicide run until Shepard chooses whatever ending Yeah, I'm having the "Priority Earth" conversation in another place. It was so very, very disappointing. That was not the battle to save all species that I expected. It felt more like a skirmish on an isolated world. There was no sense of a greater battle happening beyond Shepard's fire team.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jan 15, 2018 23:50:48 GMT
All I know is that I miss Mass Effect. I thought I'd be half way through my second dlc by now. Speculations would begin about where the franchise would be going. Playful, teasing tweets from the devs...sigh. I mean, there really is no reason it can't happen. It only takes the decision to make it happen. They could surprise us one day with an expansion..yes, expansion because we're going to need it at this point to bridge the gap to the next installment. heheh. Whether, it's back to the future in the MW, or Andromeda 2 with a turned up narrative, there's nothing stopping it from happening except the opinion of a few that hold the purse strings... There's nothing wrong with a diverse portfolio of games. I mean, if it were me, I'd have the Anthem-y, open world MT friendly....without being abusive...games, as well as the strong narrative, SP oriented, dlc incoming type of games. I'd want all the money, not just one market. But, eh. As far as the dlc bundles, well, I already own all the dlc stuffs. Wanted to buy some more, but I guess I'll just fold that money up and put it back in my pocket. You don't want my money, EA? Fine!
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Post by dazk on Jan 16, 2018 0:08:33 GMT
All I know is that I miss Mass Effect. I thought I'd be half way through my second dlc by now. Speculations would begin about where the franchise would be going. Playful, teasing tweets from the devs...sigh. I mean, there really is no reason it can't happen. It only takes the decision to make it happen. They could surprise us one day with an expansion..yes, expansion because we're going to need it at this point to bridge the gap to the next installment. heheh. Whether, it's back to the future in the MW, or Andromeda 2 with a turned up narrative, there's nothing stopping it from happening except the opinion of a few that hold the purse strings... There's nothing wrong with a diverse portfolio of games. I mean, if it were me, I'd have the Anthem-y, open world MT friendly....without being abusive...games, as well as the strong narrative, SP oriented, dlc incoming type of games. I'd want all the money, not just one market. But, eh. As far as the dlc bundles, well, I already own all the dlc stuffs. Wanted to buy some more, but I guess I'll just fold that money up and put it back in my pocket. You don't want my money, EA? Fine! Well I am not missing it as I am still playing MEA but yeah I really hope that something is at least announced one way or the other and an expansion to look forward to would be great!!!!
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Post by themikefest on Jan 16, 2018 0:33:30 GMT
Yeah, I'm having the "Priority Earth" conversation in another place. It was so very, very disappointing. That was not the battle to save all species that I expected. It felt more like a skirmish on an isolated world. There was no sense of a greater battle happening beyond Shepard's fire team. I agree about the battle above Earth being....whatever. If I was to do Priority Earth, I would have it similar to thisWhen I say suicide run, I mean the beam run. All that just to have Anderson and Shepard on the Citadel for the touchy-feely scene.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jan 16, 2018 4:51:26 GMT
Well I am not missing it as I am still playing MEA but yeah I really hope that something is at least announced one way or the other and an expansion to look forward to would be great!!!! I'm still playing MEA, too, actually. lol. A little bit at a time this go round instead the focused PT's of the first couple times. As far as the expansion idea, well, I dream big. But hell, isn't that what dreams are for? I'm just one of those people that somehow got it hardwired into their head that great things are always possible. You never know. If things can turn one way, they can turn another way. ...but then I was pretty much raised off the milk of Disney mythology as a little one..so, yeah. Tch. * shakesfistatDisney* "Believe real hard. And clap three times. Magic is real, Baby!" heh.
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Post by dazk on Jan 16, 2018 5:35:01 GMT
Well I am not missing it as I am still playing MEA but yeah I really hope that something is at least announced one way or the other and an expansion to look forward to would be great!!!! I'm still playing MEA, too, actually. lol. A little bit at a time this go round instead the focused PT's of the first couple times. As far as the expansion idea, well, I dream big. But hell, isn't that what dreams are for? I'm just one of those people that somehow got it hardwired into their head that great things are always possible. You never know. If things can turn one way, they can turn another way. ...but then I was pretty much raised off the milk of Disney mythology as a little one..so, yeah. Tch. * shakesfistatDisney* "Believe real hard. And clap three times. Magic is real, Baby!" heh. "Believe real hard. And clap three times. Magic is real, Baby!" I love it Well hopefully Casey Hudson coming back is a good omen!!!!
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Post by sil on Jan 16, 2018 12:41:36 GMT
If they were to do an expansion, their best bet would be to do a stand-alone expansion. That can be played in ME:A or in its own 'game', but set in Andromeda, possibly with the same characters but probably better focusing on something different like the quarian ark pathfinder or something. That way they can tempt in players who hadn't completed ME:A, while giving everyone more story.
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Part of a larger discussion...
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Jana Sloan van Geest @janamakesgames Even though I knew, in theory, that there might be significant time gaps between the player's triggering of quest steps, I often still wrote as though the story beats would be experienced in direct sequence.
Jo Berry @joanna_Berry To return to this: managing information flow and exposition in games is a tricky balance, because of the aforementioned potential time gaps and because players can choose their level of engagement in the narrative.
Some players skip through conversations, or don't read emails, or miss dialogue because they happened to be speaking to their Twitch audience. Other players read EVERYTHING. Your quest has to work for both.
Or the player got your quest and then decided to play multiplayer or explore the open world for ten hours. Not just the journal but the dialogue needs to reinforce "what was I doing last time, again? Oh right".
You can't write a story for a player who's deliberately ignoring the narrative and characters--they're likely playing for other reasons. But it's courteous to give reminders for a player whose attention is simply split between in-game or IRL demands.
Plus--storytelling opportunity! Who gives those reminders? (i.e. SAM reminding Ryder is straightforward, but there's added weight if Director Tann or Kandros calls them about it.) How does the player character feel about picking a plot thread up again? Excited? Wary?
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 16, 2018 19:40:03 GMT
Jo Berry @joanna_Berry One of my absolute favourite examples of worldbuilding is from @ursulakleguin's The Left Hand of Darkness, and it's a one-line description of a piece of cutlery.
Wil Sterling @shadowvasterra This is precisely why I have a fanatically irrational love of the Turian mandible twitch from the ME 'verse.
It’s an entirely throwaway animation initially, but it instantly humanizes this hardass of a bird man you meet for all of a minute. Then Garrus and Vetra start using it once they melt and my heart explodes.
Jo Berry @joanna_Berry Definitely. Seeing it as Nihlus's reaction to Sovereign struck me as subtle but very alien while being instantly sympathetic. Great stuff. (And avoided any localisation issues too. 🙂)
Wil Sterling @shadowvasterra I imagine it was also far easier to animate than the equivalent expression on a human given the facial skeleton rigs the team was working with back then. And let’s face it, neither Shep nor Anderson are the type to drop a jaw when it hits the fan.
Jo Berry @joanna_Berry There's a lot of neat little touches like that in the original Mass Effect. Benezia's eye movements when she's reporting to Saren after Eden Prime are very telling.
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Post by melbella on Jan 16, 2018 20:44:41 GMT
Plus--storytelling opportunity! Who gives those reminders? (i.e. SAM reminding Ryder is straightforward, but there's added weight if Director Tann or Kandros calls them about it.) How does the player character feel about picking a plot thread up again? Excited? Wary? I hate reminders like that. I feel like the game is nagging me. If I want to know what I was doing/where I should go next, I check the journal or map. No nagging required.
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