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Post by Carcharoth on Sept 7, 2016 18:08:16 GMT
The rules are common knowledge among those that frequent the Souls online communities, not the average players who make up the majority. As I've said before, not everyone knows or cares, or they have an incentive to break these rules anyway. You also run into the occasional player who's only familiar with their own house rules and not yours. Can you honestly say there is mutual agreement on ashen estus use? Maybe some people don't believe you should use items at all. Or certain weapons and spells are banned. I've seen plenty of disagreement on the unofficial rules. Honorable duels might be a long standing tradition, and Fromsoft caters to that part of the community from time to time, but expecting everyone to obey these rules outside of an official arena is pointless. There isn't one yet, and the popular arenas have plenty of their own problems. What does an Aldritch Faithful get out of the fight club past Pontiff? Why should a Mound Maker fight three phantoms if the host won't summon another Mound Maker and killing the host gets you what you want faster? Following mutually agreed upon rules is all well and good when you summon someone, but why should I obey anyway when I invaded? Youre basing this on what exactly? I have given you examples why I dont think it is the minority. Fromsoft wouldnt have added arena if it was just for the minority Common sense, the lack of an arena currently in DS3, the fact that the online community is always a minority of the playerbase even if a developer adds a few features for them....
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 7, 2016 18:36:05 GMT
Youre basing this on what exactly? I have given you examples why I dont think it is the minority. Fromsoft wouldnt have added arena if it was just for the minority Common sense, the lack of an arena currently in DS3, the fact that the online community is always a minority of the playerbase even if a developer adds a few features for them.... Its not common sense, its an assumption. Fromsoft wouldnt bother to develope and arena mode if it was only for a tiny minority, that wouldnt make sense. It looks like arena will be in the DLC for DS3.
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Post by Carcharoth on Sept 7, 2016 19:23:25 GMT
Common sense, the lack of an arena currently in DS3, the fact that the online community is always a minority of the playerbase even if a developer adds a few features for them.... Its not common sense, its an assumption. Fromsoft wouldnt bother to develope and arena mode if it was only for a tiny minority, that wouldnt make sense. It looks like arena will be in the DLC for DS3. A theoretical arena coming in a DLC is not the same as an arena available in the base game, which we don't have. I'll believe it when there's official confirmation of an arena, or I stumble onto it in the game, and even then, the inclusion of an arena doesn't disprove my point that the people wanting "honorable duels" are still the minority. Developers add features the core audience asks for sometimes. If you don't happen to have a census of DS players and their preference for, against or indifference toward honorable combat then you lack proof just as much as I do.
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Post by kraidy on Sept 7, 2016 20:07:05 GMT
It should not take much to realize that the area outside Sullys boss room(which ist he unofficial arena of the game) that is filled to the brim with red/purple soapstones is not your typical pvp that you can find in invasions.
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Post by CitizenChris on Sept 7, 2016 20:21:45 GMT
PVP is honestly the least appealling part about Dark Souls for me.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 7, 2016 20:48:59 GMT
Its not common sense, its an assumption. Fromsoft wouldnt bother to develope and arena mode if it was only for a tiny minority, that wouldnt make sense. It looks like arena will be in the DLC for DS3. A theoretical arena coming in a DLC is not the same as an arena available in the base game, which we don't have. I'll believe it when there's official confirmation of an arena, or I stumble onto it in the game, and even then, the inclusion of an arena doesn't disprove my point that the people wanting "honorable duels" are still the minority. Developers add features the core audience asks for sometimes. If you don't happen to have a census of DS players and their preference for, against or indifference toward honorable combat then you lack proof just as much as I do. It doesn't prove it either...Do you honestly think Fromsoft would go to the trouble of creating an arena mode if it only catered to a very small minority of players? Consider the financial implications it would involve and the time/resource it would take. It should not take much to realize that the area outside Sullys boss room(which ist he unofficial arena of the game) that is filled to the brim with red/purple soapstones is not your typical pvp that you can find in invasions. You wouldn't even need to go that far, the whole premise of red soapstones is for honourable duels it has even been mentioned in the items description.
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Post by Pearl on Sept 7, 2016 21:26:04 GMT
Duels are boring anyway, unless you're fortunate enough to come across someone who doesn't taste-test Windex.
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Post by Carcharoth on Sept 7, 2016 21:28:12 GMT
A theoretical arena coming in a DLC is not the same as an arena available in the base game, which we don't have. I'll believe it when there's official confirmation of an arena, or I stumble onto it in the game, and even then, the inclusion of an arena doesn't disprove my point that the people wanting "honorable duels" are still the minority. Developers add features the core audience asks for sometimes. If you don't happen to have a census of DS players and their preference for, against or indifference toward honorable combat then you lack proof just as much as I do. It doesn't prove it either...Do you honestly think Fromsoft would go to the trouble of creating an arena mode if it only catered to a very small minority of players? Consider the financial implications it would involve and the time/resource it would take. This isn't about whether or not a feature is wanted. It's about you believing that the majority of the playerbase is both aware of restrictions you deliberately place on yourself, willing to play under those same restrictions and your intolerance of those who are not. An arena would force those restrictions and serve as an area where people wanting honorable duels get them without bothering everyone else. And yet it doesn't restrict your access to estus, force you to fight in an enclosed area or keep you from using some arbitrarily overpowered items. Apparently, honor is optional.
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Post by Shepenwepet on Sept 7, 2016 23:08:23 GMT
PVP is honestly the least appealling part about Dark Souls for me. +1. My connection is bad enough without more people putting a strain on it. I've been backstabbed so many times while my opponent is ten feet in front of me, there is no point.
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Post by kraidy on Sept 7, 2016 23:19:15 GMT
Duels are boring anyway, unless you're fortunate enough to come across someone who doesn't taste-test Windex. I've had many good duels and fight clubs at the area outside SUllys place.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 3:51:11 GMT
I finished Dark Souls 3! I managed to defeat the final boss on my first attempt so it felt really good. I think all of the bosses that I did fight I manage to defeat in under three attempts or less. Besides the final boss I was also able to defeat 7 of the other bosses on my first attempt. Now I want to play Dark Souls 2.
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Post by Nightman on Sept 13, 2016 1:56:05 GMT
I picked up part 2 in the xbox live sale...it's $5. I am loving it. The controls are much smoother ..the combat feels much more fluent...and I am actually making progress in it. PRAISE THE SUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 13, 2016 23:11:01 GMT
I recently decided to replay DS1
...Ugh it handles like a drunken whale compared to DS3
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Post by 🐰SpectrePearl🐰 on Sept 13, 2016 23:31:32 GMT
the standard spear is fun in ds2, i love the R2 attack it catches alot of people off guard, i favor the standard spear's moveset more than the santier spear.
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 14, 2016 18:18:04 GMT
Just beat Pontiff. Fight was freaking hype.
Loved Dark Souls. Was iffy about Bloodborne. Really loving DS3.
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Post by Bael on Sept 17, 2016 13:07:11 GMT
The Undead Legion armor in DS3 is amazing.I'm really, really digging it since I love the Abyss Watcher armor. I actually loved the Abyss Watchers in general. Besides the stunning OST, the Abyss Watcher also greats you and basically challenges you to the duel. I found that to be an excellent touch.
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Post by Bael on Sept 17, 2016 13:19:09 GMT
Also, thinking of dueling, I am almost in tears when I invade someone alone, only to stumble upon a four man team which has happened.
My claymore works wonders at murdering invaders, but against four people. Yeah... I bowed, and all four of them bowed before the 1v4 duel began.
Needless to say, I was gank spanked. All my invasions I was heavily outnumbered. Sure, I might of inflicted pain upon them before I was murdered, but still. I'm getting good with my Claymore and I love it.
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Post by 🐰SpectrePearl🐰 on Sept 17, 2016 22:53:01 GMT
why isn't this amazing fighting technique in any of the games???
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 18, 2016 14:10:29 GMT
Ok this isnt technically souls related but I felt it needed to be included anyway. So yesterday I was playing Bloodborne with David_Diablo and Akire, were currently doing a co-op run and we reached the forbidden woods area in each of our worlds. I decided to troll David a bit with one of the traps:
Needless to say he wanted to get revenge immediately, unfortunately he's a scrub and things like this tend to happen:
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Post by Teabaggin Krogan on Sept 18, 2016 15:36:43 GMT
There's a difference between invasions and duels. No one expects anyone to follow rules in invasions, however in fight clubs or a simple duel, you ARE expected to follow rules (no healing, no running away, let the person buff and bow before attacking ect)I expect a duel if you summon me by my red soap stone, not a free for all. A lot of people have their own definition of honor, I've met quite a lot of people in the community who were completely against buffing and don't care to bow. Expecting your opponent to pander to your own sense of honor doesn't always work out. Me personally I've found it best to mirror my opponent. Usually if they seem nice or they bow first, I return the gesture and play nice. Be a dick and just start swinging and I'm gonna pull the same dirty tricks on you and then mock you when I kill you. Dirty fighting is quite a lot of fun in its own way though, as long as they're not an estus junkie who has to heal 20 times in a fight. i have a questions regarding physical defense in dark souls 2, is it that important? or is it like in ds3 where it doesn't matter much and it's basically just a fashion competition, frankly i want armor to be unimportant because i want to be fabulous Yes physical defense is somewhat more important in ds2. Don't expect anything huge though, it's mostly around a couple 100 hp difference at most AFAIK. But the more important factor is poise which, even though it is kinda broken, can save your life. Sure most weapons two handed can deplete your poise meter in a couple shots but it helps a great deal if you're using heavy weapons with hyper armor as that allows you to dish out shit tons of damage with your slower weapon without getting staggered. In fact you can usually bait people into trading shots which should usually come out in your favor, unless you're silly and trying to trade with a chaos blade. Or you could just say fuck it and go full fashion souls which is the best option. No need to rely on any crutches and in the long run, it's gonna make make you a better player. Why send hate mail when someone invades and utilizes the environment to their advantage? Why send hate mail when someone doesn't fight you on your terms and beats you? Why send hate mail in general? If you're asking why some people are sore losers and take the game to seriously, I don't know the answer. My point is that I dont think Honour-Souls as you put it is a niche part of the community. Organised duels have been going on since Demon Souls, every subsequent game have followed suite with areas that are organised for honourable duels. There is a reason why Fromsoft introduced Arena to Dark Souls 1 and 2 and that's because there was such a big desire from the community for honourable duels. In addition Fromsoft put specific rules in arena areas like 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 to deal with ganking etc and no flasking. These rules were put in place for a reason and that's because these were the requirements from the community. By the looks of the DLC trailer Dark Souls 3 will be getting some type of arena mode but in the meantime the community have marked certain areas in the game as hot-spots for duels. The rules have been there since Demon Souls and are common knowledge so I dont think it's quite as niche as you make out. Mate, the arenas are far from the honorable dueling havens you think they are. The bloodbro arena in ds2 is widely regarded as having the most cheesiest and saltiest players of the pvp scene. I got to rank two in both the brotherhood of blood as well as the blue sentinels and of the hundreds of duels I've had, for every guy who bows and plays nice, there's an equal amount, if not more of, people who just don't follow any set honor code. Even in fight clubs, rules vary according to the host. Sometimes there's no buffing or no using specific weapons like chaos blade etc. Some people bow, others do not. Hell I've even met people who complain about throwing knives! But if you're really insistent about proper pvp etiquette, perhaps this video might help;
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I made a thing for someone and thought I'd share it here too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 22:35:32 GMT
I'm enjoying Dark Souls 2 so far, although I still think Dark Souls 3 is my favorite at the moment. I just reached Sinner's Rise and I'd like to finish it by the end of the day.
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Post by Pearl on Sept 19, 2016 21:12:36 GMT
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Post by kizanare on Sept 20, 2016 9:06:29 GMT
So basically I enjoy DS3 more than DS2 more than DS1 more than Demon Souls... Yeah basically it's been a weird experience for me on some level...
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I was looking through my DS3 screenshots and thought I'd share a few. Also bonus from DS2 because I finally remembered why I loved Benhart so much
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