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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Apr 19, 2018 20:10:19 GMT
More Morrigan. This one was actually especially commitioned by me. Suzanne(the artist) was a blast to work with and delivered a lovely young version of my wife, as you can see!
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 20, 2018 0:47:04 GMT
More Morrigan. This one was actually especially commitioned by me. Suzanne(the artist) was a blast to work with and delivered a lovely young version of my wife, as you can see! Wow, really? That's awesome. Great job to both you and the artist. And yes, she is lovely.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Apr 21, 2018 20:34:24 GMT
This one was actually especially commitioned by me. Suzanne(the artist) was a blast to work with and delivered a lovely young version of my wife, as you can see! Wow, really? That's awesome. Great job to both you and the artist. And yes, she is lovely. We're planning on a family portrait (with Mabari doggo ofc) when i return to Orlais! 😁
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To the two posters above. This is exactly what I've been saying. Is Morrigan cold? Yes. But evil? No. She has done nothing during the game or in her past that suggests she is evil. Sure she voiced her approval for an annulment on the Circle. Sure she found the offer the Tevinter slaver made interesting. But did she stab the Warden in the back when he said no to both? No. Like I said in the Dorian thread which applies to Morrigan as well. There both not bad people but they have a tendency of putting their foot in their mouths, due to their upbringings. Dorian in Tevinter and Morrigan with Flemeth. And yes, whatever plans she had for Kieran evaporated once she had him. So whatever she was thinking when she made the offer for the Dark Ritual is null and void. Well how would you define 'evil?' Someone who likes to hurt others and doesn't feel any remorse for killing people? Then yes, by that definition you could say that Morrigan is evil. She approves of killing innocent mages (including the children) and elven slaves. She doesn't hesitate to kill Abelas or her own mother or anyone else who stands between her and what she wants. And if you do refuse to kill Flemeth for her after talking with her she abandons you and she does the same at the end,so actually she may abandon the warden twice.Dunno what you consider to be a stab in the back,but after you've learnt you may very well be unable to escape death even in victory, she gives you a choice. A choice she had every moment in time to inform you of, but she kept it to herself for as long as she could to ensure that you wouldn't have a lot of time to ponder the consequences. She even does this to wardens she falls in love with.Again, she chose to leave the choice until the last minute to manipulate you as well as possible. I see it a some sort of stab in the back,but then again I'm not a Morrigan fan therefore you can't expect me to buy her fans rationalizations for her choices. As for her past,I remember she saying that she got a Chasind man to be killed in Lothering by deceiving some guards,just because he told the truth about her being a witch of the wilds,So she got him killed just because he was honest.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 22, 2018 14:25:28 GMT
To the two posters above. This is exactly what I've been saying. Is Morrigan cold? Yes. But evil? No. She has done nothing during the game or in her past that suggests she is evil. Sure she voiced her approval for an annulment on the Circle. Sure she found the offer the Tevinter slaver made interesting. But did she stab the Warden in the back when he said no to both? No. Like I said in the Dorian thread which applies to Morrigan as well. There both not bad people but they have a tendency of putting their foot in their mouths, due to their upbringings. Dorian in Tevinter and Morrigan with Flemeth. And yes, whatever plans she had for Kieran evaporated once she had him. So whatever she was thinking when she made the offer for the Dark Ritual is null and void. Well how would you define 'evil?' Someone who likes to hurt others and doesn't feel any remorse for killing people? Then yes, by that definition you could say that Morrigan is evil. She approves of killing innocent mages (including the children) and elven slaves. She doesn't hesitate to kill Abelas or her own mother or anyone else who stands between her and what she wants. And if you do refuse to kill Flemeth for her after talking with her she abandons you and she does the same at the end,so actually she may abandon the warden twice.Dunno what you consider to be a stab in the back,but after you've learnt you may very well be unable to escape death even in victory, she gives you a choice. A choice she had every moment in time to inform you of, but she kept it to herself for as long as she could to ensure that you wouldn't have a lot of time to ponder the consequences. She even does this to wardens she falls in love with.Again, she chose to leave the choice until the last minute to manipulate you as well as possible. I see it a some sort of stab in the back,but then again I'm not a Morrigan fan therefore you can't expect me to buy her fans rationalizations for her choices. As for her past,I remember she saying that she got a Chasind man to be killed in Lothering by deceiving some guards,just because he told the truth about her being a witch of the wilds,So she got him killed just because he was honest. So, you think, the Templars and the Seekers are evil, the Templar Order is evil and the Chantry is evil?
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 22, 2018 15:36:10 GMT
So, you think, the Templars and the Seekers are evil, the Templar Order is evil and the Chantry is evil? Absolutely not,and I can't understand why you even mentioned them in a Morrigan based thread. Morrigan wants to let the Templars kill them all, but only because she thinks they're pathetic, and not to protect Ferelden from them. She couldn't really justify it other than personal opinion, she was being selfish, but more importantly so selfish she wanted people to die because of her personal opinion. So yea, evil.
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 22, 2018 16:31:47 GMT
Well how would you define 'evil?' Someone who likes to hurt others and doesn't feel any remorse for killing people? Then yes, by that definition you could say that Morrigan is evil. She approves of killing innocent mages (including the children) and elven slaves. She doesn't hesitate to kill Abelas or her own mother or anyone else who stands between her and what she wants. And if you do refuse to kill Flemeth for her after talking with her she abandons you and she does the same at the end,so actually she may abandon the warden twice.Dunno what you consider to be a stab in the back,but after you've learnt you may very well be unable to escape death even in victory, she gives you a choice. A choice she had every moment in time to inform you of, but she kept it to herself for as long as she could to ensure that you wouldn't have a lot of time to ponder the consequences. She even does this to wardens she falls in love with.Again, she chose to leave the choice until the last minute to manipulate you as well as possible. I see it a some sort of stab in the back,but then again I'm not a Morrigan fan therefore you can't expect me to buy her fans rationalizations for her choices. As for her past,I remember she saying that she got a Chasind man to be killed in Lothering by deceiving some guards,just because he told the truth about her being a witch of the wilds,So she got him killed just because he was honest. So, you think, the Templars and the Seekers are evil, the Templar Order is evil and the Chantry is evil? I'm just saying compared to other characters that are considered evil in other games she is not evil. Like Canderous Ordo from KOTOR he participated in mass killings and destruction of worlds. He even tells you he misses those days. Wrex from Mass Effect is a similar character to Canderous, they have no problem killing hordes of people and saying they enjoyed it. I only played Mass Effect once and made as far as the Citadel so I don't remember the specifics much. But weren't Wrex's people in a war with Garrus's? And the only way Garrus's peole won was by sterilizing the enemy? Is that not evil? Morrigan has never done that. Yeah she wanted the Templars to go with the annulment but I told her to shut up and she didn't stab me in the back. I mean literally stab me in the back with a dagger. In all the games I've played of DA:O never has Morrigan left me only at the end. Maybe because I've romanced her twice in those playthroughs that I completed the game. When she asks me to kill Flemeth I say okay, but I never do it. I just make a deal with Flemeth and give Morrigan the grimoire. I don't know who Abelas is, but I remember her telling the story about the Chasind barbarian. I'm not a blind Morrigan follower I listen to what she says and if I don't agree to it I tell her. The Dark Ritual, yeah she kept it a secret. But the Warden at the time prior to that moment did not know that killing an archdemon entailed sacrificing themselves. Both the Warden and Alistair were green it wasn't until Riordan told them. I will see in my next playthrough when I play as a mage and romance Leliana. I like Morrigan cause she reminds me of another Claudia black character called Aeryn Sun from the old Farscape tv series. Both were tough bitches who were always kill this and kill that, but as time went on with their particular love interests, and exposed to a bigger world/ universe they changed. They became soft.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 22, 2018 16:39:33 GMT
So, you think, the Templars and the Seekers are evil, the Templar Order is evil and the Chantry is evil? I'm just saying compared to other characters that are considered evil in other games she is not evil. Like Canderous Ordo from KOTOR he participated in mass killings and destruction of worlds. He even tells you he misses those days. Wrex from Mass Effect is a similar character to Canderous, they have no problem killing hordes of people and saying they enjoyed it. I only played Mass Effect once and made as far as the Citadel so I don't remember the specifics much. But weren't Wrex's people in a war with Garrus's? And the only way Garrus's peole won was by sterilizing the enemy? Is that not evil? Morrigan has never done that. Yeah she wanted the Templars to go with the annulment but I told her to shut up and she didn't stab me in the back. I mean literally stab me in the back with a dagger. In all the games I've played of DA:O never has Morrigan left me only at the end. Maybe because I've romanced her twice in those playthroughs that I completed the game. When she asks me to kill Flemeth I say okay, but I never do it. I just make a deal with Flemeth and give Morrigan the grimoire. I don't know who Abelas is, but I remember her telling the story about the Chasind barbarian. I'm not a blind Morrigan follower I listen to what she says and if I don't agree to it I tell her. The Dark Ritual, yeah she kept it a secret. But the Warden at the time prior to that moment did not know that killing an archdemon entailed sacrificing themselves. Both the Warden and Alistair were green it wasn't until Riordan told them. I will see in my next playthrough when I play as a mage and romance Leliana. I like Morrigan cause she reminds me of another Claudia black character called Aeryn Sun from the old Farscape tv series. Both were tough bitches who were always kill this and kill that, but as time went on with their particular love interests, and exposed to a bigger world/ universe they changed. They became soft. I agree with you. Morrigan never did it. She's not evil. I see she doesn't understand people, who don't fight for themselves. She's cold.
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Oops, quoted the wrong person. I meant Mrk7, not Catilina.
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 22, 2018 16:41:06 GMT
I'm just saying compared to other characters that are considered evil in other games she is not evil. Like Canderous Ordo from KOTOR he participated in mass killings and destruction of worlds. He even tells you he misses those days. Wrex from Mass Effect is a similar character to Canderous, they have no problem killing hordes of people and saying they enjoyed it. I only played Mass Effect once and made as far as the Citadel so I don't remember the specifics much. But weren't Wrex's people in a war with Garrus's? And the only way Garrus's peole won was by sterilizing the enemy? Is that not evil? Morrigan has never done that. Yeah she wanted the Templars to go with the annulment but I told her to shut up and she didn't stab me in the back. I mean literally stab me in the back with a dagger. In all the games I've played of DA:O never has Morrigan left me only at the end. Maybe because I've romanced her twice in those playthroughs that I completed the game. When she asks me to kill Flemeth I say okay, but I never do it. I just make a deal with Flemeth and give Morrigan the grimoire. I don't know who Abelas is, but I remember her telling the story about the Chasind barbarian. I'm not a blind Morrigan follower I listen to what she says and if I don't agree to it I tell her. The Dark Ritual, yeah she kept it a secret. But the Warden at the time prior to that moment did not know that killing an archdemon entailed sacrificing themselves. Both the Warden and Alistair were green it wasn't until Riordan told them. I will see in my next playthrough when I play as a mage and romance Leliana. I like Morrigan cause she reminds me of another Claudia black character called Aeryn Sun from the old Farscape tv series. Both were tough bitches who were always kill this and kill that, but as time went on with their particular love interests, and exposed to a bigger world/ universe they changed. They became soft. I agree with you. Morrigan never did it. She's not evil. I see she doesn't understand people, who don't fight for themselves. She's cold. Yeah, I know. I quoted you by accident.
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 22, 2018 16:41:55 GMT
To the two posters above. This is exactly what I've been saying. Is Morrigan cold? Yes. But evil? No. She has done nothing during the game or in her past that suggests she is evil. Sure she voiced her approval for an annulment on the Circle. Sure she found the offer the Tevinter slaver made interesting. But did she stab the Warden in the back when he said no to both? No. Like I said in the Dorian thread which applies to Morrigan as well. There both not bad people but they have a tendency of putting their foot in their mouths, due to their upbringings. Dorian in Tevinter and Morrigan with Flemeth. And yes, whatever plans she had for Kieran evaporated once she had him. So whatever she was thinking when she made the offer for the Dark Ritual is null and void. Well how would you define 'evil?' Someone who likes to hurt others and doesn't feel any remorse for killing people? Then yes, by that definition you could say that Morrigan is evil. She approves of killing innocent mages (including the children) and elven slaves. She doesn't hesitate to kill Abelas or her own mother or anyone else who stands between her and what she wants. And if you do refuse to kill Flemeth for her after talking with her she abandons you and she does the same at the end,so actually she may abandon the warden twice.Dunno what you consider to be a stab in the back,but after you've learnt you may very well be unable to escape death even in victory, she gives you a choice. A choice she had every moment in time to inform you of, but she kept it to herself for as long as she could to ensure that you wouldn't have a lot of time to ponder the consequences. She even does this to wardens she falls in love with.Again, she chose to leave the choice until the last minute to manipulate you as well as possible. I see it a some sort of stab in the back,but then again I'm not a Morrigan fan therefore you can't expect me to buy her fans rationalizations for her choices. As for her past,I remember she saying that she got a Chasind man to be killed in Lothering by deceiving some guards,just because he told the truth about her being a witch of the wilds,So she got him killed just because he was honest. I'm just saying compared to other characters that are considered evil in other games she is not evil. Like Canderous Ordo from KOTOR he participated in mass killings and destruction of worlds. He even tells you he misses those days. Wrex from Mass Effect is a similar character to Canderous, they have no problem killing hordes of people and saying they enjoyed it. I only played Mass Effect once and made as far as the Citadel so I don't remember the specifics much. But weren't Wrex's people in a war with Garrus's? And the only way Garrus's peole won was by sterilizing the enemy? Is that not evil? Morrigan has never done that. Yeah she wanted the Templars to go with the annulment but I told her to shut up and she didn't stab me in the back. I mean literally stab me in the back with a dagger. In all the games I've played of DA:O never has Morrigan left me only at the end. Maybe because I've romanced her twice in those playthroughs that I completed the game. When she asks me to kill Flemeth I say okay, but I never do it. I just make a deal with Flemeth and give Morrigan the grimoire. I don't know who Abelas is, but I remember her telling the story about the Chasind barbarian. I'm not a blind Morrigan follower I listen to what she says and if I don't agree to it I tell her. The Dark Ritual, yeah she kept it a secret. But the Warden at the time prior to that moment did not know that killing an archdemon entailed sacrificing themselves. Both the Warden and Alistair were green it wasn't until Riordan told them. I will see in my next playthrough when I play as a mage and romance Leliana. I like Morrigan cause she reminds me of another Claudia black character called Aeryn Sun from the old Farscape tv series. Both were tough bitches who were always kill this and kill that, but as time went on with their particular love interests, and exposed to a bigger world/ universe they changed. They became soft.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 22, 2018 20:52:11 GMT
Morrigan wants to let the Templars kill them all, but only because she thinks they're pathetic, and not to protect Ferelden from them. She couldn't really justify it other than personal opinion, she was being selfish, but more importantly so selfish she wanted people to die because of her personal opinion. So yea, evil. I wouldn't say it was evil, more coldly indifferent. Why risk their precious lives to save a group of mages, who have not only allowed themselves to be held prisoner by Templars, but foolishly unleashed demons and turned themselves into abominations? As prospective allies, these particular Circle mages have demonstrated neither the backbone to fight for their freedom, nor wisdom to use their powers responsibly and prevent this type of calamity befalling themselves. Neither seem like qualities you'd want in someone you may have to rely on in battle with the darkspawn. Another thing to consider that even if they saved the mages, the results might not be that worthwhile. Sure, natural selection should dictate that any mage capable of withstanding the demonic onslaught would be a powerful addition to their forces (Wynne), but in reality, the other survivors would include cowards who ran away or hid (Godwin), along with any non-combatants kept safe by others (such as children). If the Warden never came to the Circle to aid, the Templars would have eventually slain the mages anyway. And I rather doubt they'd have asked for anyone's opinion on the morality of the Rite of Annulment before they did so. I don't agree with Morrigan's conclusion that they should not intervene and let events play out as they would without their presence, but it was still a valid option worth considering, given that they'd be placing themselves in mortal peril for what could have been very little net-gain. (Not to mention, potentially wasting all their time and effort if it turned out that Irving was already dead)
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Post by Aren on Apr 24, 2018 17:17:44 GMT
Morrigan wants to let the Templars kill them all, but only because she thinks they're pathetic, and not to protect Ferelden from them. She couldn't really justify it other than personal opinion, she was being selfish, but more importantly so selfish she wanted people to die because of her personal opinion. So yea, evil. I wouldn't say it was evil, more coldly indifferent. Why risk their precious lives to save a group of mages, who have not only allowed themselves to be held prisoner by Templars, but foolishly unleashed demons and turned themselves into abominations? As prospective allies, these particular Circle mages have demonstrated neither the backbone to fight for their freedom, nor wisdom to use their powers responsibly and prevent this type of calamity befalling themselves. Neither seem like qualities you'd want in someone you may have to rely on in battle with the darkspawn. Another thing to consider that even if they saved the mages, the results might not be that worthwhile. Sure, natural selection should dictate that any mage capable of withstanding the demonic onslaught would be a powerful addition to their forces (Wynne), but in reality, the other survivors would include cowards who ran away or hid (Godwin), along with any non-combatants kept safe by others (such as children). If the Warden never came to the Circle to aid, the Templars would have eventually slain the mages anyway. And I rather doubt they'd have asked for anyone's opinion on the morality of the Rite of Annulment before they did so. I don't agree with Morrigan's conclusion that they should not intervene and let events play out as they would without their presence, but it was still a valid option worth considering, given that they'd be placing themselves in mortal peril for what could have been very little net-gain. (Not to mention, potentially wasting all their time and effort if it turned out that Irving was already dead) Morrigan is a barely grown teenager raised entirely in isolation by an only semi-sane supernatural entity. She wants to be pragmatic but doesn't really know enough to make practical decisions.She wanted to slaughter the mages not because they may be a threat, but because they did not share her views and subjected themselves to the Chantry. She objects if you don't kill them all.That's not "ruthless" or a simple lack of compassion, that's utter contempt and lack of respect for life. In the aforementioned case helping the mages isn't a waste of time regardless of Irving's fate, as Gregoir can be flexible enough to allow the Warden to recruit the survivors if he has already given them permission to enter the tower in the first place. She disapproves whether you recruit mages or templars which strongly indicates that her preferred route was simply to leave and thus not recruiting anyone at all.
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 24, 2018 17:45:49 GMT
Morrigan is a barely grown teenager raised entirely in isolation by an only semi-sane supernatural entity. She wants to be pragmatic but doesn't really know enough to make practical decisions. Blindly follow her advices isn't permitted by the game or else it would be only you and her,dead at Loghain's palace. Morrigan wants to let the Templars kill them all, but only because she thinks they're pathetic, and not to protect Ferelden from them. She couldn't really justify it other than personal opinion, she was being selfish, but more importantly so selfish she wanted people to die because of her personal opinion. So yea, evil. If the Warden never came to the Circle to aid, the Templars would have eventually slain the mages anyway. And I rather doubt they'd have asked for anyone's opinion on the morality of the Rite of Annulment before they did so. I do disagree that if the Warden hadn't been there Gregoir would have annulled the circle,simply because he did in fact called the righ of annulment but wasn't able to excute it due to the low number of templars at his disposal. He was waitinig for Templars from outside Ferelden to intervene as those in Ferelden were wiped out in Lothering,in the tower and some by Loghain in Denerim. With Loghain securing the borders he could have waited for a year if not more before of that to happen,and by that point all the mages would have been demons roaming in the world. So following Morrigan advices and simply leave means that the Warden had to eventually fight the Horde plus a lot of abominations with 1/4 less of the army.
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Post by davesin on Apr 27, 2018 12:22:34 GMT
Anyone ever wondered what were circumstances of Kieran's birth? You know, it seems like kinda important step in Morrigan's plan to get a child with ancient dragon's soul inside. I wonder where did she get medical help. Did she just stumble across some village/Chantry and hoped locals will help? Is there some secret hidden elf village dalish camp that would help her out respect for Asha'bellenar? Or is there any mention in WoT?
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Post by Catilina on Apr 27, 2018 13:00:03 GMT
Anyone ever wondered what were circumstances of Kieran's birth? You know, it seems like kinda important step in Morrigan's plan to get a child with ancient dragon's soul inside. I wonder where did she get medical help. Did she just stumble across some village/Chantry and hoped locals will help? Is there some secret hidden elf village dalish camp that would help her out respect for Asha'bellenar? Or is there any mention in WoT? She had health insurance at all?
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Post by davesin on Apr 27, 2018 14:02:30 GMT
Anyone ever wondered what were circumstances of Kieran's birth? You know, it seems like kinda important step in Morrigan's plan to get a child with ancient dragon's soul inside. I wonder where did she get medical help. Did she just stumble across some village/Chantry and hoped locals will help? Is there some secret hidden elf village dalish camp that would help her out respect for Asha'bellenar? Or is there any mention in WoT? She had health insurance at all? Good and very important question! But on serious note, giving birth in the middle of nowhere, without anyone to help in case of any complications (or after the birth), sounds like a bad and risky way to get the precious Old God Baby.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 27, 2018 14:21:04 GMT
Anyone ever wondered what were circumstances of Kieran's birth? You know, it seems like kinda important step in Morrigan's plan to get a child with ancient dragon's soul inside. I wonder where did she get medical help. Did she just stumble across some village/Chantry and hoped locals will help? Is there some secret hidden elf village dalish camp that would help her out respect for Asha'bellenar? Or is there any mention in WoT? I've always imagined her squeezing out Kieran in the middle of a swamp, like the swamp witch she is.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Apr 27, 2018 22:25:18 GMT
Anyone ever wondered what were circumstances of Kieran's birth? You know, it seems like kinda important step in Morrigan's plan to get a child with ancient dragon's soul inside. I wonder where did she get medical help. Did she just stumble across some village/Chantry and hoped locals will help? Is there some secret hidden elf village dalish camp that would help her out respect for Asha'bellenar? Or is there any mention in WoT? I wish I'd found her sooner, so that i could help, but Morrigan gave birth to Kieran alone and helpless inside a cave A certain amount of elfroot was used though!
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 28, 2018 3:10:18 GMT
Here's another Morrigan fan art:
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Post by q9j9p on May 1, 2018 23:36:32 GMT
The First MeetingKawaii Morri mod by Miss Basha
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Post by q9j9p on May 3, 2018 6:51:59 GMT
Old And New
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Post by q9j9p on May 6, 2018 16:08:16 GMT
Enchantments
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Post by talyn82 on May 6, 2018 17:33:40 GMT
Enchantments I am currently playing a mage who is romancing Leliana and am fighting the urge to not flirt with Morrigan. I always choose Morrigan as my LI. Great work once again on the picture.
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Post by bardox on May 7, 2018 9:59:11 GMT
Enchantments I am currently playing a mage who is romancing Leliana and am fighting the urge to not flirt with Morrigan. I always choose Morrigan as my LI. Great work once again on the picture. Good luck. The wiles of the Witch are difficult to repel. BE STRONG!!! lol
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