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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 13, 2016 14:16:55 GMT
The game informer article says that the state of the Genophage will be addressed in Mass Effect Andromeda Oh good grief, I am really not looking forward to a rehash of the whole "to cure or not to cure" question. I mean I was already leery of the Krogan being included in the new title just for popularity's sake, but if we are just going to get another take on "but what about mah Krogan babies?!" … What's the point of bringing over the older species if we aren't going to be doing anything new with them? At least if the Elcor or Rachni were in the Krogan's place we would be get new story lines out it. |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Dec 13, 2016 14:36:46 GMT
Even with the Genophage, if the krogan colonize a less hostile world than Tuchanka and don't fight each other their population will grow just fine. A krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1,000 eggs a year, and the Genophage is designed to have a 1 in 1,000 birthrate. That means that on average a krogan female will have one child a year, so their population is in no more danger than our own. And since krogans can live to up to 2,000 years, their population will grow quite steadily, possibly the most of the races involved, even without the Genophage being cured. /thread. But seriously, someone mentioned mindsets. It could be the krogan coming along are just more mercs. Or maybe those that signed on are looking for something more, a change of scenery and pace. Then again, we saw random grunts acting as bodyguards for that one criminal (chick?). The worst thing that could happen isn't a retread of the genophage, it's the devs ignoring these issues altogether and having the krogan be dumb expendable brutes again, like we never even left. Yeah I really don't like that scene in the trailer now... |
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 13, 2016 14:43:02 GMT
Even with the Genophage, if the krogan colonize a less hostile world than Tuchanka and don't fight each other their population will grow just fine. A krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1,000 eggs a year, and the Genophage is designed to have a 1 in 1,000 birthrate. That means that on average a krogan female will have one child a year, so their population is in no more danger than our own. And since krogans can live to up to 2,000 years, their population will grow quite steadily, possibly the most of the races involved, even without the Genophage being cured. /thread. But seriously, someone mentioned mindsets. It could be the krogan coming along are just more mercs. Or maybe those that signed on are looking for something more, a change of scenery and pace. Then again, we saw random grunts acting as bodyguards for that one criminal (chick?). The worst thing that could happen isn't a retread of the genophage, it's the devs ignoring these issues altogether and having the krogan be dumb expendable brutes again, like we never even left. Yeah I really don't like that scene in the trailer now... Well from the trailer it looks like the Milky Way species have no qualms about casually throwing their lives away as the start of the combat section has Ryder killing a group of what looked like Turian prospectors/raiders. With the amount of foes that your average player kills over the course of a game, I wonder if the Milky Way colonists will even have enough of a viable population to sustain themselves. |
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 14, 2016 5:31:27 GMT
Perhaps the Krogan, who feel there will never be a cure for their people in the Milky Way, travel with the other races to Andromeda to find a possible cure. A sort of last ditch effort kind of deal. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Humans, Turians, Salarians and Asari are too busy surviving. A Genophage cure is not their priority. Also, the Initiative priorities lies elsewhere. That leaves the Krogans themselves to find one. .... meaning that until the Krogan colony is well established and is not ruled by warring factions, an effort to find a cure lies centuries ahead. |
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 14, 2016 8:23:00 GMT
/thread. But seriously, someone mentioned mindsets. It could be the krogan coming along are just more mercs. Or maybe those that signed on are looking for something more, a change of scenery and pace. Then again, we saw random grunts acting as bodyguards for that one criminal (chick?). The worst thing that could happen isn't a retread of the genophage, it's the devs ignoring these issues altogether and having the krogan be dumb expendable brutes again, like we never even left. Yeah I really don't like that scene in the trailer now... Well from the trailer it looks like the Milky Way species have no qualms about casually throwing their lives away as the start of the combat section has Ryder killing a group of what looked like Turian prospectors/raiders. With the amount of foes that your average player kills over the course of a game, I wonder if the Milky Way colonists will even have enough of a viable population to sustain themselves. Unlikely, with general population around 100k a few thousands of willing to become cannon fodder wouldn't make much difference. More like a bit of natural selection. Though I do wonder if Bioware will care about realistic species distribution in next installments. 100k is a lot, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to billions of Andromeda natives. Once we are done with search for new homeworld and start venturing (mostly peacefully) to alien territories only to meet humans/krogans/salarians/etc everywhere - this would be like meeting people from one small village all around the world. |
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 14, 2016 13:11:57 GMT
Well from the trailer it looks like the Milky Way species have no qualms about casually throwing their lives away as the start of the combat section has Ryder killing a group of what looked like Turian prospectors/raiders. With the amount of foes that your average player kills over the course of a game, I wonder if the Milky Way colonists will even have enough of a viable population to sustain themselves. Unlikely, with general population around 100k a few thousands of willing to become cannon fodder wouldn't make much difference. More like a bit of natural selection. Though I do wonder if Bioware will care about realistic species distribution in next installments. 100k is a lot, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to billions of Andromeda natives. Once we are done with search for new homeworld and start venturing (mostly peacefully) to alien territories only to meet humans/krogans/salarians/etc everywhere - this would be like meeting people from one small village all around the world. Well BioWare did have us running into the same handful of characters in a galaxy of trillions throughout the Shepard trilogy so realistic species distribution has never really been their strong suite. |
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Post by Iakus on Dec 14, 2016 15:40:38 GMT
Well from the trailer it looks like the Milky Way species have no qualms about casually throwing their lives away as the start of the combat section has Ryder killing a group of what looked like Turian prospectors/raiders. With the amount of foes that your average player kills over the course of a game, I wonder if the Milky Way colonists will even have enough of a viable population to sustain themselves. Unlikely, with general population around 100k a few thousands of willing to become cannon fodder wouldn't make much difference. More like a bit of natural selection. Though I do wonder if Bioware will care about realistic species distribution in next installments. 100k is a lot, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to billions of Andromeda natives. Once we are done with search for new homeworld and start venturing (mostly peacefully) to alien territories only to meet humans/krogans/salarians/etc everywhere - this would be like meeting people from one small village all around the world. A general population of about 100,000, but representing five different races (at least) With 20,000 humans, or turians, etc, you get a bunch killed as pointless cannon fodder and you're looking at a far more significant dent in sustainability. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 15:45:35 GMT
Picture Kevin the Krogan arriving in Andromeda after 600 years asleep in his cryothingy surrounded by mass effect fields and plot armour.
He's still a victim of the Genophage.
It's taken him 600 years, but far longer has passed back on tuchanka.
If there are no krogan women on the arks then his species has effectively been dead for millions of years.
He could try breed with plastic face but would that even work?
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 14, 2016 16:40:03 GMT
Unlikely, with general population around 100k a few thousands of willing to become cannon fodder wouldn't make much difference. More like a bit of natural selection. Though I do wonder if Bioware will care about realistic species distribution in next installments. 100k is a lot, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to billions of Andromeda natives. Once we are done with search for new homeworld and start venturing (mostly peacefully) to alien territories only to meet humans/krogans/salarians/etc everywhere - this would be like meeting people from one small village all around the world. A general population of about 100,000, but representing five different races (at least) With 20,000 humans, or turians, etc, you get a bunch killed as pointless cannon fodder and you're looking at a far more significant dent in sustainability. That still would be far from it for the most of species, even few thousands is way more than enough to not breed out, for humans at least. Except for asari, they can loose 19999 and still be fine. if being constantly pregnant in order to repopulate counts as "fine" though. I guess we already discussed this topic with biology aricles and stuff, so I don't really want to repeat myself or others. |
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Post by Iakus on Dec 15, 2016 19:28:26 GMT
A general population of about 100,000, but representing five different races (at least) With 20,000 humans, or turians, etc, you get a bunch killed as pointless cannon fodder and you're looking at a far more significant dent in sustainability. That still would be far from it for the most of species, even few thousands is way more than enough to not breed out, for humans at least. Except for asari, they can loose 19999 and still be fine. if being constantly pregnant in order to repopulate counts as "fine" though. I guess we already discussed this topic with biology aricles and stuff, so I don't really want to repeat myself or others. It's not just biology, though. It's specialized skills and training that are lost as well. Lose too many trained soldiers and security, and you have a hard time defending a colony. Lose to many medics, and disease becomes a problem. Lose too many engineers, and you can't fix stuff that's broken. All contribute to the well-being of a colony. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2016 20:02:14 GMT
I've been wondering about this myself and think either the Krogan outright receive a cure for joining the initiative or are promised one once certain requirements are met post arrival. If it's the latter we the player character could have final say and withhold it, though I suspect Bio would not allow us that choice. I'd be more inclined to just outright cure them or mostly ignore the Genophage. It would be impossible for Bio to replicate the depth of Priority Tuchunka since we had 2.5 games and 5 years to think about the moral implications, argue among ourselves, and weigh the pros and cons of curing it...not to mention Wrex for those of us who befriended him. For old players it would be a shallow rehash...for new players, mean almost nothing. How does this make sense, though? What makes anyone think a cure is out there to offer up under any circumstances? Maelon did his work in secret. I mean, if Earth had been working on such a cure, wouldn't they have offered it to Shepard when it was needed after the Reapers invaded? I just think it's not a thing they could have offered up because they didn't have it. And if they had offered it, what would have kept those krogan they talked to from revealing it the the rest of their race? |
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Post by helios969 on Dec 15, 2016 21:18:37 GMT
I've been wondering about this myself and think either the Krogan outright receive a cure for joining the initiative or are promised one once certain requirements are met post arrival. If it's the latter we the player character could have final say and withhold it, though I suspect Bio would not allow us that choice. I'd be more inclined to just outright cure them or mostly ignore the Genophage. It would be impossible for Bio to replicate the depth of Priority Tuchunka since we had 2.5 games and 5 years to think about the moral implications, argue among ourselves, and weigh the pros and cons of curing it...not to mention Wrex for those of us who befriended him. For old players it would be a shallow rehash...for new players, mean almost nothing. How does this make sense, though? What makes anyone think a cure is out there to offer up under any circumstances? Maelon did his work in secret. I mean, if Earth had been working on such a cure, wouldn't they have offered it to Shepard when it was needed after the Reapers invaded? I just think it's not a thing they could have offered up because they didn't have it. And if they had offered it, what would have kept those krogan they talked to from revealing it the the rest of their race? What makes you think there are not other scientists among anyone of the advanced races capable of fostering a cure? I don't really care other than not wishing to see it rehashed in Andromeda. As far Krogan revealing it to other members of their race, maybe that's how they recruited, maybe some didn't believe them (you know cause that quad replacement surgery worked so well). At the end of the day, what would it matter if the Krogan at large did know about a cure...it's not like they could do much about it outside of drinking the AI Kool-Aid and joining up. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2016 21:30:29 GMT
How does this make sense, though? What makes anyone think a cure is out there to offer up under any circumstances? Maelon did his work in secret. I mean, if Earth had been working on such a cure, wouldn't they have offered it to Shepard when it was needed after the Reapers invaded? I just think it's not a thing they could have offered up because they didn't have it. And if they had offered it, what would have kept those krogan they talked to from revealing it the the rest of their race? What makes you think there are not other scientists among anyone of the advanced races capable of fostering a cure? I don't really care other than not wishing to see it rehashed in Andromeda. As far Krogan revealing it to other members of their race, maybe that's how they recruited, maybe some didn't believe them (you know cause that quad replacement surgery worked so well). At the end of the day, what would it matter if the Krogan at large did know about a cure...it's not like they could do much about it outside of drinking the AI Kool-Aid and joining up. I also don't want it rehashed. Similarly, I don't think any scientists who made it to Andromeda would have the time or resources to devote to curing the genophage. Maybe the AI simply suggested that a cure might be found in the science of Andromeda races. |
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Post by helios969 on Dec 15, 2016 23:38:48 GMT
What makes you think there are not other scientists among anyone of the advanced races capable of fostering a cure? I don't really care other than not wishing to see it rehashed in Andromeda. As far Krogan revealing it to other members of their race, maybe that's how they recruited, maybe some didn't believe them (you know cause that quad replacement surgery worked so well). At the end of the day, what would it matter if the Krogan at large did know about a cure...it's not like they could do much about it outside of drinking the AI Kool-Aid and joining up. I also don't want it rehashed. Similarly, I don't think any scientists who made it to Andromeda would have the time or resources to devote to curing the genophage. Maybe the AI simply suggested that a cure might be found in the science of Andromeda races. That's a fair point. I'm actually more curious as to what the AI leadership motivations are for inviting the Krogan. They generally are presented as hyper-aggressive in game for the most part...not to mention Salarian, Turian, Krogan animosity toward one another. I wonder if part of the underlying motivations by the collective whole is just being tired of galactic political BS and looking for a fresh start...for any who'll brave the frontier. |
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Post by crashsuit on Dec 16, 2016 0:11:11 GMT
With the amount of foes that your average player kills over the course of a game, I wonder if the Milky Way colonists will even have enough of a viable population to sustain themselves. |
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Post by derrame on Dec 16, 2016 5:20:39 GMT
the genophage topic will be in andromeda, we dont know how it will affect the story yet
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Post by ddraigcoch123 on Dec 16, 2016 23:30:59 GMT
Well I can understand taking Krogans along as muscle and of course they'd be willing to go as mercs (aka the reference to Wrex's point about Krogan's destroying their own cultural redevelopment etc.,) but we have a Krogan female in position of authority and expertise on the Nexus so there must have been a whole other 'thing' going on with the Krogans (females didn't leave Tuchunka?) that we didn't know about, which is fine if they do it well enough. Can we also keep our heads in the right place when it comes to population growth, no need for females to actually 'carry young' with tank breeding and advances in human cloning/genetics, all we need to take are enough eggs/sperm or fertilised embryos (I mean Miranda was created just using one person's DNA!!).. what you will need to address, unless you keep the humans in their tanks until they are young adults, is a huge frakin babysitting/daycare issue because without proper supervision we wont have to worry about local alien enemies it will be human children going rogue... never forget lord of the flies  |
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