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Post by Larry-3 on Dec 13, 2016 3:45:43 GMT
I do not know if this has been discussed on the fourms, but will the Genophage be cured in Andromeda?
One could easily say yes, Andromeda was made after Mass Effect 3. Well the game was created after Mass Effect 3, but the story begins before it -- meaning there was not a possible cure created.
Why would the Krogran wish to establish a colony in a different galaxy if it most likely could not grow?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2016 4:14:52 GMT
Even with the Genophage, if the krogan colonize a less hostile world than Tuchanka and don't fight each other their population will grow just fine. A krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1,000 eggs a year, and the Genophage is designed to have a 1 in 1,000 birthrate. That means that on average a krogan female will have one child a year, so their population is in no more danger than our own. And since krogans can live to up to 2,000 years, their population will grow quite steadily, possibly the most of the races involved, even without the Genophage being cured.
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Post by Larry-3 on Dec 13, 2016 4:28:29 GMT
Even with the Genophage, if the krogan colonize a less hostile world than Tuchanka and don't fight each other their population will grow just fine. A krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1,000 eggs a year, and the Genophage is designed to have a 1 in 1,000 birthrate. That means that on average a krogan female will have one child a year, so their population is in no more danger than our own. And since krogans can live to up to 2,000 years, their population will grow quite steadily, possibly the most of the races involved, even without the Genophage being cured. I had forgotten about the 1 in 1,000 birthrate. Well, I feel embarrassed now. Regardless, thank you for clearing that up, Hanako Ikezawa.
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Post by derrame on Dec 13, 2016 4:54:15 GMT
yes, Shepard cured the genophag 600 years earlier and if he didn't, the genophage will not function in a new galaxy, new krogan,s new environment, new breeds, it's evolution!
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 13, 2016 5:23:14 GMT
It's also possible that many of the krogan coming aren't along with "colonization" on their minds. There are four arks, none of which are krogan. The krogan contingent of Ai could be made up of many mercenary-minded krogan. It will be interesting learning what the "typical" mindset is, if there is one predominant enough to be deemed such. As to the "four arks" part of my comment, it is true that if any species could make a go at colonization with suboptimal numbers, it would likely be the krogan. Without their ridiculous, pre-Genophage birthrate, though, it would be tough. Each ark carries around 20K colonists. That's enough to colonize 2 extremely viable worlds, or one viable world, according to the (likely crackpot) real world planetary colonization stuff I've recently read. I'm betting that BioWare read some of the same mumbo jumbo when writing MEA. So, how many krogan came to Andromeda? We have no idea. Likely not more than 10K. They could, theoretically, establish a colony with those numbers, as Hanako Ikezawa said. If they were determined colonists, though, they couldn't be our primary weapons and meat shields against indigenous threats; and those are the only real reasons any sane people would bring krogan along on an excursion like this. I hope and suspect that the krogan of Andromeda will be given a chance of their own to climb out from under their dark legacy. I don't know if that will mean a cure, or not. I think it would be a mistake, narratively, to throw away all the juicy conflicts and animosities that we've just recovered. If we're going to again heal all of those old wounds, I think it should be via gradual processes, and feature unique, Andromeda stories.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 5:37:05 GMT
In gameplay trailer, there was a mission called "The future for our people" where krogans are involved. It may or may not be about addressing the genophage. Here's the screenshot.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 13, 2016 5:38:45 GMT
It's also possible that many of the krogan coming aren't along with "colonization" on their minds. There are four arks, none of which are krogan. The krogan contingent of Ai could be made up of many mercenary-minded krogan. It will be interesting learning what the "typical" mindset is, if there is one predominant enough to be deemed such. As to the "four arks" part of my comment, it is true that if any species could make a go at colonization with suboptimal numbers, it would likely be the krogan. Without their ridiculous, pre-Genophage birthrate, though, it would be tough. Each ark carries around 20K colonists. That's enough to colonize 2 extremely viable worlds, or one viable world, according to the (likely crackpot) real world planetary colonization stuff I've recently read. I'm betting that BioWare read some of the same mumbo jumbo when writing MEA. So, how many krogan came to Andromeda? We have no idea. Likely not more than 10K. They could, theoretically, establish a colony with those numbers, as Hanako Ikezawa said. If they were determined colonists, though, they couldn't be our primary weapons and meat shields against indigenous threats; and those are the only real reasons any sane people would bring krogan along on an excursion like this. I hope and suspect that the krogan of Andromeda will be given a chance of their own to climb out from under their dark legacy. I don't know if that will mean a cure, or not. I think it would be a mistake, narratively, to throw away all the juicy conflicts and animosities that we've just recovered. If we're going to again heal all of those old wounds, I think it should be via gradual processes, and feature unique, Andromeda stories. I don't know, just because you heal all the old wounds does not mean you heal the...feelings. Had the next game took place in the MW in a post Reaper World it would have been very interesting to see what new conflicts would have resulted in the Krogan having the genophage cured. Hell I fan ficked about it.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 13, 2016 5:58:39 GMT
It's also possible that many of the krogan coming aren't along with "colonization" on their minds. There are four arks, none of which are krogan. The krogan contingent of Ai could be made up of many mercenary-minded krogan. It will be interesting learning what the "typical" mindset is, if there is one predominant enough to be deemed such. As to the "four arks" part of my comment, it is true that if any species could make a go at colonization with suboptimal numbers, it would likely be the krogan. Without their ridiculous, pre-Genophage birthrate, though, it would be tough. Each ark carries around 20K colonists. That's enough to colonize 2 extremely viable worlds, or one viable world, according to the (likely crackpot) real world planetary colonization stuff I've recently read. I'm betting that BioWare read some of the same mumbo jumbo when writing MEA. So, how many krogan came to Andromeda? We have no idea. Likely not more than 10K. They could, theoretically, establish a colony with those numbers, as Hanako Ikezawa said. If they were determined colonists, though, they couldn't be our primary weapons and meat shields against indigenous threats; and those are the only real reasons any sane people would bring krogan along on an excursion like this. I hope and suspect that the krogan of Andromeda will be given a chance of their own to climb out from under their dark legacy. I don't know if that will mean a cure, or not. I think it would be a mistake, narratively, to throw away all the juicy conflicts and animosities that we've just recovered. If we're going to again heal all of those old wounds, I think it should be via gradual processes, and feature unique, Andromeda stories. I don't know, just because you heal all the old wounds does not mean you heal the...feelings. Had the next game took place in the MW in a post Reaper World it would have been very interesting to see what new conflicts would have resulted in the Krogan having the genophage cured. Hell I fan ficked about it. That would've been a continuing story, though. If we immediately cure the genophage in Andromeda, it might feel like, "Wow, didn't I just do this?" Conversely, it wouldn't mean much at all to new players, since they'd lack perspective. They'd not appreciate the magnitude of the moment. It is possible that BioWare says, "Let's wipe the slate clean," and knocks it out right away. It's hard to predict. As long as it's done well, I'm okay with whatever.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 13, 2016 6:05:01 GMT
I don't know, just because you heal all the old wounds does not mean you heal the...feelings. Had the next game took place in the MW in a post Reaper World it would have been very interesting to see what new conflicts would have resulted in the Krogan having the genophage cured. Hell I fan ficked about it. That would've been a continuing story, though. If we immediately cure the genophage in Andromeda, it might feel like, "Wow, didn't I just do this?" Conversely, it wouldn't mean much at all to new players, since they'd lack perspective. They'd not appreciate the magnitude of the moment. It is possible that BioWare says, "Let's wipe the slate clean," and knocks it out right away. It's hard to predict. As long as it's done well, I'm okay with whatever. I agree the potential for a repeat is high in terms of actual... what the heck am I doing? But since Priority Tuchanka was my favorite mission from the OT (heh we can use that term now I suppose) I am looking forward to any potential 'cure the genophage arc' that will be in the game.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 13, 2016 6:09:38 GMT
That would've been a continuing story, though. If we immediately cure the genophage in Andromeda, it might feel like, "Wow, didn't I just do this?" Conversely, it wouldn't mean much at all to new players, since they'd lack perspective. They'd not appreciate the magnitude of the moment. It is possible that BioWare says, "Let's wipe the slate clean," and knocks it out right away. It's hard to predict. As long as it's done well, I'm okay with whatever. I agree the potential for a repeat is high in terms of actual... what the heck am I doing? But since Priority Tuchanka was my favorite mission from the OT (heh we can use that term now I suppose) I am looking forward to any potential 'cure the genophage arc' that will be in the game. It would be interesting if the kett had the means to cure it easily, or somesuch, like genetics are "their thing". Weird idea that I'm too sleepy to properly form, at the moment. I imagine that, if it comes up in MEA, it's likely to involve the coveted tech locked within those remnant vaults.
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 13, 2016 6:33:00 GMT
Even with the Genophage, if the krogan colonize a less hostile world than Tuchanka and don't fight each other their population will grow just fine. A krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1,000 eggs a year, and the Genophage is designed to have a 1 in 1,000 birthrate. That means that on average a krogan female will have one child a year, so their population is in no more danger than our own. And since krogans can live to up to 2,000 years, their population will grow quite steadily, possibly the most of the races involved, even without the Genophage being cured. The lore is a bit fuzzy on exactly how the genophage works. Apparently it was not designed to reduce fertility but to reduce the number of viable pregnancies: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/GenophageHowever, there are regular references in the Trilogy to 'fertile females', which suggests that the genophage worked by making most females infertile. The female warlord Shaigur is described as being one of the 'few remaining fertile females': masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/ShiagurIf that is in fact how ithe genophage works then the Krogan who go to Andromeda are probably destined to die out if the genophage isn't somehow cured. They would be lucky to even have one or two fertile females among their number.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 13, 2016 6:35:20 GMT
Even with the Genophage, if the krogan colonize a less hostile world than Tuchanka and don't fight each other their population will grow just fine. A krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1,000 eggs a year, and the Genophage is designed to have a 1 in 1,000 birthrate. That means that on average a krogan female will have one child a year, so their population is in no more danger than our own. And since krogans can live to up to 2,000 years, their population will grow quite steadily, possibly the most of the races involved, even without the Genophage being cured. The lore is a bit fuzzy on exactly how the genophage works. Apparently it was not designed to reduce fertility but to reduce the number of viable pregnancies: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/GenophageHowever, there are regular references in the Trilogy to 'fertile females', which suggests that the genophage worked by making most females infertile. The female warlord Shaigur is described as being one of the 'few remaining fertile females': masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/ShiagurIf that is in fact how ithe genophage works then the Krogan who go to Andromeda are probably destined to die out if the genophage isn't somehow cured. They would be lucky to even have one or two fertile females among their number Or Shiagur was simply off planet when it happened.
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 13, 2016 6:49:21 GMT
The lore is a bit fuzzy on exactly how the genophage works. Apparently it was not designed to reduce fertility but to reduce the number of viable pregnancies: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/GenophageHowever, there are regular references in the Trilogy to 'fertile females', which suggests that the genophage worked by making most females infertile. The female warlord Shaigur is described as being one of the 'few remaining fertile females': masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/ShiagurIf that is in fact how ithe genophage works then the Krogan who go to Andromeda are probably destined to die out if the genophage isn't somehow cured. They would be lucky to even have one or two fertile females among their number Or Shiagur was simply off planet when it happened. Lol ok, bad example, but the point still stands.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 13, 2016 6:50:11 GMT
yes, Shepard cured the genophag 600 years earlier and if he didn't, the genophage will not function in a new galaxy, new krogan,s new environment, new breeds, it's evolution! No. Shepard sabotaged it 600 years earlier. And if she did, it would have no effect in Andromeda.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 13, 2016 6:54:54 GMT
Curing the krogan of genophage in a 'virgin' galaxy is an absolutely atrocious idea for all the other milky way races, probably the natives too.
I was wondering whether the "Future of Our People" quest might not be fertilized eggs or something.
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Post by Vall on Dec 13, 2016 7:03:41 GMT
yes, Shepard cured the genophag 600 years earlier and if he didn't, the genophage will not function in a new galaxy, new krogan,s new environment, new breeds, it's evolution! No. Shepard sabotaged it 600 years earlier. And if she did, it would have no effect in Andromeda. No, YOUR Shepard sabotaged it...and it doesn't matter anyway since AI left before it happened. And maybe they won't cure it...Wrex did say in ME1 that the genophage isn't what's killing them, maybe "Future of our people" is us going and convincing krogan of AI to settle down and breed instead of fighting
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Post by themikefest on Dec 13, 2016 7:06:25 GMT
No, YOUR Shepard sabotaged it...and it doesn't matter anyway since AI left before it happened. That's right. My Shepard never cured it nor has any reason to cure it
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 13, 2016 7:29:05 GMT
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Personally I hope this issue is not mentioned at all. It's irrelevant to Andromeda. It may be addressed in future games but why bother creating a problem. Some gamers cured it, I didn't. Also, I doubt that Mordin gave the Initiative the cure formula... he was kinda busy when Shep made that "famous cure or not to cure" genophage decision.
To answer the Op's question, my answer is No.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 7:38:06 GMT
I do not know if this has been discussed on the fourms, but will the Genophage be cured in Andromeda? One could easily say yes, Andromeda was made after Mass Effect 3. Well the game was created after Mass Effect 3, but the story begins before it -- meaning there was not a possible cure created. Why would the Krogran wish to establish a colony in a different galaxy if it most likely could not grow? nope because ME3 does not exist in this game. Hell some might say (in fact the majority) that's a very good thing. Yep lets take Krogan to Andromeda because........Reasons. THere's only so much space magic one can handle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 10:44:45 GMT
How about Rule of cool?
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Post by Antibaar on Dec 13, 2016 10:49:02 GMT
What if there's a way to cure genophage in Andromeda?
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Post by helios969 on Dec 13, 2016 11:08:23 GMT
I've been wondering about this myself and think either the Krogan outright receive a cure for joining the initiative or are promised one once certain requirements are met post arrival. If it's the latter we the player character could have final say and withhold it, though I suspect Bio would not allow us that choice. I'd be more inclined to just outright cure them or mostly ignore the Genophage. It would be impossible for Bio to replicate the depth of Priority Tuchunka since we had 2.5 games and 5 years to think about the moral implications, argue among ourselves, and weigh the pros and cons of curing it...not to mention Wrex for those of us who befriended him. For old players it would be a shallow rehash...for new players, mean almost nothing.
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Post by Kantr on Dec 13, 2016 11:14:55 GMT
The game informer article says that the state of the Genophage will be addressed in Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Hoge on Dec 13, 2016 13:53:40 GMT
Perhaps the Krogan, who feel there will never be a cure for their people in the Milky Way, travel with the other races to Andromeda to find a possible cure. A sort of last ditch effort kind of deal.
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 13, 2016 13:57:40 GMT
Didn't Mordin mention that the Krogan was adapting to the genophage? In that case they would just have to wait. And as other people have mentioned, they are not sterile, so they can still make a settlement, (If they don't kill each other first.)
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