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Post by Ahriman on Dec 16, 2016 7:28:05 GMT
Is anyone else tired of it? I know I am. It is a crutch that has made many a main plot suffer. And I am noticing a distinct lack of it in Mass Effect: Andromeda. Of course, we all have heard of the Remnant, but nothing suggests they are evil or even still around. And that's why MEA plot will revolve around competition for awakening them. A deadly race to launch a doomsday device. Solas most assuredly does NOT fit and stands to be one of the greatest villains in gaming history as far as I'm concerned but his story is still coming up. I think it's still too early to give away awards. He's okay, but I'm yet to be truly impressed. Anyway, with a villain like him I think that the next DA game won't be complete without the option to join him in some way. Doesn't seem like a plausible option for non-elven character. Considering metaphysical differences and stuff between dwarfs, humans and elves and Solas' plans for altering reality.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 16, 2016 8:41:32 GMT
*´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Any negativity is happily counter balanced by that puppy love I constantly read.
Unfortunately, there is a Galactic Mystery to solve.... ancient powerful "evil", if I remember correctly... read it / heard it somewhere.
One good news is that Andromeda only deals with the cluster events. I suspect that follow up games will see us explore deeper into the Andromeda Galaxy and will touch on more powerful opponents.
Also, I'm not tired at all of defeating evil empires. However, I am tired of starting every new game with basic weapons. With ME2 I ended up with some nifty stuff. Enter ME3 and Shep goes back to basic weapons. If Andromeda 2 comes along and there is some continuity from Andromeda 1, I want to start off with better weapons. And, if a Ryder cameo is involved in a fight, that Ryder better be a super bad azz that can splatter an opponent like a ripe tomato thrown at a wall.... SPLAT!!!!
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 16, 2016 12:09:02 GMT
I don't mind the ancient evil bit, what I mind is the unknowable, nuanceless, straightforward evil. Archdemon fit, the reapers fit, DA2 did not fit and I for one liked its more personal story, Corypheus might have not fit but he wound up being so boring he did, Solas most assuredly does NOT fit and stands to be one of the greatest villains in gaming history as far as I'm concerned but his story is still coming up. It's weird to me because one thing the majority of people seem to agree on is that Bioware isn't terrible with their characters, so making these villains so completely lacking in recognizable human motivation and internal conflict is an odd choice. The Remnant for MEA is not boding well from where I'm standing but I guess we'll see. I agree. Bioware seems to have developed a habit of making its secondary antagonists far more interesting than the big bad - Saren, Loghain, TIM, Arishok, Samson... Solas might be one who bucks the trend in DA4. They could have made the reapers more interesting if the final confrontation was with Harbinger instead of reducing them to starchild's puppets. I'm sensing that the conflicts within the colonist factions in MEA will be more interesting than our war with the Khet but I'll reserve judgment.
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Post by revanshep78 on Dec 16, 2016 13:13:55 GMT
Corypheus, solas, saren and the illusive man all disagree with this statement. And they aren't alone. Indeed they are not, the best ones are Irenicus, The Mater from Jade Empire and the Arishok. And that's ignoring Revan... I mean, look at this guy: "Let's rip that off for our villain" /Someone Revan is my favorite Star Wars character period. That was one of the best plot twists I've experienced, probably ever. I just pretend the Revan novel didn't happen.
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Post by fialka on Dec 16, 2016 14:30:37 GMT
I don't really get the vibe that the Remnants themselves will be our super-enemy. My guess is that it's something else, using their technology for nefarious purposes. A faction within the Kett, perhaps. Obviously we know little about the Kett or the Remnant, so I'm totally guessing here. But I agree that the 'old, unknowable' enemy trope has kind of gotten overdone. Harbinger was intriguing and had potential, but in the end they didn't do much with it beyond having it hurl insults at you. Corypheus too, but he ended up being very one-note. The Architect in Awakening was so much cooler. Solas could well make for a really amazing antagonist, and I hope that they give us some way to, if not join him, come to some (morally grey) compromise.
Hopefully the leader of the Kett or Remnant or whoever it is we ultimately fight at the end has some nuance to them, both in personality and motivation. Because the "I rule the world/galaxy now so die all who oppose me" thing is boring. While DA2 had its (many) flaws, I hope their approach to the overall story is similar in Andromeda. Where we're not there to singlehandedly save the universe. We're just there to play a part in the events that unfold, and the antagonists are more along the lines of Meredith and the Arishok than Blight/Corypheus/Reaper.
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Post by Princess Trejo on Dec 16, 2016 20:39:33 GMT
It should be about the war of the Gods before creation of life. Origins of the worlds & universes. Perhaps add some Scientology stuff too.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 16, 2016 21:06:30 GMT
I don't mind the ancient evil bit, what I mind is the unknowable, nuanceless, straightforward evil. Archdemon fit, the reapers fit, DA2 did not fit and I for one liked its more personal story, Corypheus might have not fit but he wound up being so boring he did, Solas most assuredly does NOT fit and stands to be one of the greatest villains in gaming history as far as I'm concerned but his story is still coming up. It's weird to me because one thing the majority of people seem to agree on is that Bioware isn't terrible with their characters, so making these villains so completely lacking in recognizable human motivation and internal conflict is an odd choice. The Remnant for MEA is not boding well from where I'm standing but I guess we'll see. I agree. Bioware seems to have developed a habit of making its secondary antagonists far more interesting than the big bad - Saren, Loghain, TIM, Arishok, Samson... Solas might be one who bucks the trend in DA4. They could have made the reapers more interesting if the final confrontation was with Harbinger instead of reducing them to starchild's puppets. I'm sensing that the conflicts within the colonist factions in MEA will be more interesting than our war with the Khet but I'll reserve judgment. I doubt Solas will be the main enemy in DA 4. ME:A will probably have enemies with a smaller scale than the Reapers. Think about it, there aren't that many milkies in the entire initiative, it wouldn't take a threat on a galactic scale to endanger them. And given the entire story is smaller in tone and scale and the more scope of the story I think we will be getting a much more intimate bad guy.
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 16, 2016 22:22:29 GMT
I agree. Bioware seems to have developed a habit of making its secondary antagonists far more interesting than the big bad - Saren, Loghain, TIM, Arishok, Samson... Solas might be one who bucks the trend in DA4. They could have made the reapers more interesting if the final confrontation was with Harbinger instead of reducing them to starchild's puppets. I'm sensing that the conflicts within the colonist factions in MEA will be more interesting than our war with the Khet but I'll reserve judgment. I doubt Solas will be the main enemy in DA 4. Maybe you're right but.... not really the point I was making.
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Post by hsomcokesniper on Dec 16, 2016 23:00:49 GMT
I don't mind the ancient evil bit, what I mind is the unknowable, nuanceless, straightforward evil. Archdemon fit, the reapers fitReapers were one of my absolute favorite "ancient evil" villains ever in ME1. Lovecraftian, menacing, intriguing, mysterious. They weren't nuanceless or straightforward then. It wasn't until later games that BW screwed it up. Even the archdemon had a pretty decent backstory explaining the straightforward evilness.
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Post by Saboru on Dec 17, 2016 0:32:22 GMT
My objection is ancient evils that can't be bothered to get out of bed and instead release the occasional prophecy and dispatch some deformed minions to pester you while they remain all mysterious in the background. Cthulhu needs a bloody alarm clock. So long as the ancient evil rocks up in person, wielding an interesting and coherent plan, which it then proceeds to implement I'm happy. For me this translates as DA very good, ME also good - slight trip on the coherent plan aspect, but bonus marks for enthusiastic implementation. I will be very disappointed if DA4 doesn't offer at least partial destruction of the known world through rewelding bits onto reality.
With the little evidence to hand MEA is giving me ancient non-evil vibes, it all looks very mysterious lost powerful civilisation, but it's not triggering my evil klaxon. I think any evils will be a bit more mundane.
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Post by Kaibe on Dec 17, 2016 8:01:58 GMT
I thought this thread was going to request Lovecraftian things in MEA.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 17, 2016 11:10:56 GMT
To me the Remnant we have been shown so far seem to be more like the (please forgive me for this) Borg than an ancient evil (They only seem to attack if hacked or attacked. They will ignore you if you ignore them). Also what is with all the green and black again to much linking to the Borg analogy again. Yep. We are going up against the ancient evil.... Borg. Next thing to do wait for the plot twist where it turns out the Khet are the ancient good and we are the villainous species that need to be put out of our misery for waking the Remnant- the ancient bad. Either-way IF the story is good I will play. If Bioware does not do good on the story and hit the ball out of the park but instead sends the ball careening into the Mayor's bedroom window. It will never find a home on any of my Hard drives.
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Post by ssanyesz on Dec 17, 2016 14:07:14 GMT
To me the Remnant we have been shown so far seem to be more like the (please forgive me for this) Borg than an ancient evil (They only seem to attack if hacked or attacked. They will ignore you if you ignore them). Also what is with all the green and black again to much linking to the Borg analogy again. Yep. We are going up against the ancient evil.... Borg. Next thing to do wait for the plot twist where it turns out the Khet are the ancient good and we are the villainous species that need to be put out of our misery for waking the Remnant- the ancient bad. Either-way IF the story is good I will play. If Bioware does not do good on the story and hit the ball out of the park but instead sends the ball careening into the Mayor's bedroom window. It will never find a home on any of my Hard drives. In a way the Reapers are/were the Borg. They assimilated civilizations and knowledge, they just go for a nap time after time.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 17, 2016 14:37:13 GMT
To me the Remnant we have been shown so far seem to be more like the (please forgive me for this) Borg than an ancient evil (They only seem to attack if hacked or attacked. They will ignore you if you ignore them). Also what is with all the green and black again to much linking to the Borg analogy again. Yep. We are going up against the ancient evil.... Borg. Next thing to do wait for the plot twist where it turns out the Khet are the ancient good and we are the villainous species that need to be put out of our misery for waking the Remnant- the ancient bad. Either-way IF the story is good I will play. If Bioware does not do good on the story and hit the ball out of the park but instead sends the ball careening into the Mayor's bedroom window. It will never find a home on any of my Hard drives. In a way the Reapers are/were the Borg. They assimilated civilizations and knowledge, they just go for a nap time after time. yeah that's how I( kind of viwe the Reapers as well as a Borg like speicies and the Geth were a Data like species at least to me.
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