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Post by Dabrikishaw on Dec 26, 2016 15:27:38 GMT
I no longer save Ashley. Pretty simple for me.
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Post by melbella on Dec 26, 2016 19:11:25 GMT
If Ashley wasn't so utterly boring and one-note in ME3, the choice would be a lot more difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 19:43:39 GMT
Kirrahe and his team surviving if Shepard goes to the bomb site is one of those things that have never really made sense to me. I suppose head canon can plug the holes, but on the surface it doesn't seem like it should be possible.
I can understand why that happens. Likely the devs didn't want to encourage players to choose the AA tower by having several people die if you go to the bomb site, but only one if the AA Tower is chosen. Instead of having Kirrahe's team survive regardless of whether Shepard goes to the bomb site or the AA tower, I'd rather whoever you left with the bomb was supported by three of the Normandy's Alliance Marines. Then either way, several people die. The choice would just determine whether the STG guys buy the farm, or the Alliance Marines, in addition to Ashley or Kaidan.
On that note I didn't realize until recently that there actually is one Alliance Marine who is at the bomb site with Ashley or Kaidan. He's only glimpsed briefly while the bomb is being set up, but he remains behind. Unfortunately he's never mentioned, but presumably dies if Shepard decides to go to the AA Tower.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 20:43:41 GMT
First couple times I always went back back to the bomb site, ensuring the bomb's detonation was Shepard's highest priority then. Without Shepard's aid the bomb's location would be quickly overrun leaving it to be disarmed by the Geth.
I didn't interpreted the choice initially as 'Save Ashley vs Save Kaidan' but Rather 'Save people vs Save bomb'. On that note The Normandy probably could have taken out the exposed breeding trenches with an airstrike, heck even Salarians + Normandy crew would have enough firepower to demolish the facility and destroy all research.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 20:03:05 GMT
The first assignment choice is fairly easy for me. Kaidan has tech expertise, thus he's more qualified to arm the bomb. Also, Ashley has established herself in infantry leadership and is an expert in the use of all types of firearms, thus I feel that she would have more to offer Kirrahe's teams in carrying out diversionary tactics where raw firepower wins the day.
At the decision point, the bomb has been armed, and Kirrahe will tell you there's not much that could interfere with its detonation once it's been set if you use the dialogue options available when he initially announced the plan. This leads me to believe that the bomb will do its job even if the bomb squad is overrun with geth. Worst case here is if the geth somehow manage to disarm it - in which case, presumably an escaped Normandy could finish the demolition from orbit or call in a different plan.
The AA tower presumably needs to be defended in order for anyone (including the Normandy itself) to survive the mission. (it turns out that returning to the bomb site still allows an escape, but the character does not know that at the decision point.) S/He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day. Worst case here is if noone escapes, neither the Council nor the Alliance would ever know what happened on Virmire, and the galaxy would suffer a setback in accomplishing the real goal, which is to stop Saren.
So I usually send Shepard to the towers, which means Kaidan makes an heroic sacrifice.
As has been mentioned by others, I also don't like what was done to Ashley in ME3. I like Kaidan, but was always concerned about his biotic implant and the accompanying migraines. I was never entirely comfortable using Kaidan in missions, as those migraines (or worse - some malfunction of the implant) could render him < 100% at any time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 2, 2017 20:30:52 GMT
I wish they would have kept the option to save both. Sounds like it would have been a challenging, interesting scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 21:48:46 GMT
I think Bioware got it right in not allowing you to save both. Virmire was really the only section of ME1 where the game lived up to it's advertising slogan of "Many decisions lie ahead, none of them easy." One of the reasons why Virmire was one of the best parts of the game (IMO) was that the loss of a squadmate makes it the most emotionally impactful of the game's missions. It is also the only part of the entire series where Shepard is faced with hard reality of combat leadership: Sometimes casualties are unavoidable.
I'd argue that Virmire was superior to Mass Effect 2's finale, in that the poorly named suicide mission allows the player character to get everyone through unscathed. All the emotional build-up about it potentially being a one-way trip for some ultimately amounts to nothing.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 3, 2017 2:35:17 GMT
I think Bioware got it right in not allowing you to save both. Virmire was really the only section of ME1 where the game lived up to it's advertising slogan of "Many decisions lie ahead, none of them easy." One of the reasons why Virmire was one of the best parts of the game (IMO) was that the loss of a squadmate makes it the most emotionally impactful of the game's missions. It is also the only part of the entire series where Shepard is faced with hard reality of combat leadership: Sometimes casualties are unavoidable. I'd argue that Virmire was superior to Mass Effect 2's finale, in that the poorly named suicide mission allows the player character to get everyone through unscathed. All the emotional build-up about it potentially being a one-way trip for some ultimately amounts to nothing. It had the exact opposite effect on me. It had no emotional impact for me because of how forced the whole thing felt. Not only was there no option to save both despite there being ways to do it even if hard, but Shepard doesn't even seem to really want to save both and instead immediately is "ok, bye person I chose to die". The whole thing was drama for drama's sake. I disagree entirely. ME2 was better for the exact reasons you say Virmire was better: Shepard facing the hard reality of combat leadership where if you make a mistake people die because of it. And unlike Virmire, they weren't forced. Overall though I'd say ME3 does the best character deaths, even though ironically those are the ones where you have no say.
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Post by mattig89ch on Jan 3, 2017 5:12:47 GMT
I've only ever saved ash up to this point. But after reading what people have posted here, I might try to save Kaiden on my next run.
I can't really say I've liked him in ME 1, at least not like I liked ash (what can I say? She's hot, and has way more passion then Kaiden). But if Kaiden really is better written in 3, he might be worth saving.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 3, 2017 12:45:16 GMT
Overall though I'd say ME3 does the best character deaths, even though ironically those are the ones where you have no say. I don't. Most of them were unnecessary.
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Post by Ocelot on Jan 6, 2017 14:37:46 GMT
I always save Ashley. I do like Kaidan, but I simply can't bring myself to let Ash die.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 6:33:31 GMT
Ashley. Yo bro. Yah dead.
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Post by cooldude on Jan 14, 2017 22:52:17 GMT
Kaidan is the logical choice in that decision. He is a powerful biotic( his implant makes him more powerful than most) trained in combat and engineering. He also happens to be the co-pilot of the Normandy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 14:20:23 GMT
Kaidan. Every time.
I have never even attempted a trilogy run where I save Ash. Did not like her character. I've even watched playthroughs of ME3 where Ash lives and it just made me more certain never to save her.
From a gameplay standpoint, Kaidan is more useful, at least to me. Especially in ME3, since I always play as a soldier, I have zero use for Ash since I have tank soldier James, who I also found to be an infinitely more likable and worthwhile character than Ash ever was. Kaidan as a sentinel I have much use of, plus he compliments other squadmates better I find.
That latter point as well is worth saving Kaidan from a story point as well for me, since I find Kaidan gets on so much better with everyone in both ME1 and 3. He has more meaningful encounters and interactions with the rest of the squad and crew in ME3. He isn't aloof or hostile like Ash always seems to be. Her trust issues in ME3 seemed more heightened than Kaidan's were, and I always felt she'd easily trust Udina a hell lot more than Kaidan would.
There are just so many reasons why I would never save Ash, and always save Kaidan. Him being my BroRyder's space boyfriend is an obvious cincher.
Also from a Virmire gameplay standpoint, I always have Kaidan with the bomb, and Ash at the AA Tower. I still always save Kaidan at the bombsite, cause you still end up saving Kirrahe and the salarians providing you fulfilled all the previous criteria in the mission to save them. I also feel the confrontation with Saren is more dramatic and exciting at the bombsite with the running water, and the bomb being right there etc. Sure logically being at the AA tower would make better sense, but it doesn't really matter to me since I'm always just going to save Kaidan anyways.
That said, I really, really hope we don't get a Virmire situation in Andromeda, or there to be this sort of thing with Liam or Cora. I want to like both characters this time around, which I've tried to do with Ash, but there is just nothing about her I like. And Kaidan is my favourite Mass Effect character so even if I did like Ash a bit, I'd still never save her.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2017 16:44:51 GMT
There are just so many reasons why I would never save Ash, and always save Kaidan. Him being my BroRyder's space boyfriend is an obvious cincher. So you're saying that this whole time Kaidan has been cheating on Shepard with Ryder?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 21:47:04 GMT
There are just so many reasons why I would never save Ash, and always save Kaidan. Him being my BroRyder's space boyfriend is an obvious cincher. So you're saying that this whole time Kaidan has been cheating on Shepard with Ryder? wait wuut? I obviously meant BroShep sorry, I've been so used to BroRyder lately I completely forgot oh wow
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 22:23:54 GMT
So you're saying that this whole time Kaidan has been cheating on Shepard with Ryder? wait wuut? I obviously meant BroShep sorry, I've been so used to BroRyder lately I completely forgot oh wow Aww... I thought it was an interesting way to connect the two.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 18, 2017 1:38:19 GMT
The majority of my playthroughs I save Ashley. She's a soldier like I was a long time ago. yeah same here I think I tend to save Ash most of the time as well although I can and do play both ways. Sometimes I pick based on what my Shepards class is and sometimes depending on how I think the story best plays out dramatically. In my current playthrough I saved Ash although my next Shep is going to be soldier class so Ash won't be neccesarily be needed so I'll likely go Kaidan. I think for my infiltrator run as well I was thinking of doing I might keep him to as that Shep may well romance him. As I've got 2/3 playthrough's planned a male soldier, a female infiltrator and a male vanguard. Not sure what I'll do with the vanguard yet though as I haven' treally though much about that playthrough as I've only really not that long ago decoided to do it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 18, 2017 3:43:48 GMT
So you're saying that this whole time Kaidan has been cheating on Shepard with Ryder? wait wuut? I obviously meant BroShep sorry, I've been so used to BroRyder lately I completely forgot oh wow I know. Thought it was an amusing slip.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 18, 2017 19:47:37 GMT
Ashley because she's the best character in ME1.
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Post by RogueState on Jan 19, 2017 8:34:46 GMT
I always go with Kaidan because I like his character more, he's a far more useful squad mate in combat and I tend to romance him most of the time!
I saved Ashley once and took her on most of the missions I could in ME3 so I could see what her character was like and if I was missing anything. My conclusion was I really wasn't, I just didn't enjoy her story at all! Not having Kaidan in ME3 didn't feel like I was playing Mass Effect to me so I won't be saving her again. I did enjoy her hangover on the floor thing though, it was the only scene she had that made me laugh!
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Post by AIS-Sona_v7 on Jan 19, 2017 9:27:23 GMT
My choice on that is simple. I leave behind person A for the sake ...of being able to kill person B later myself. That sounds like little bit of an extreme but there are no pros and cons to killing either, that is why I let my guts choose the person I want to see perish into dust. Ashley by all rights is an asset, effective but noisy...Were it not for her constant butt-riffle attitude and the incredible xenophobia then I may have considered alternate outcomes to this situation. And after saving the galaxy three times between our last meetings her only change is prostitution hairstyle... Nothing else... Kaidan on the other end is a peak description of being useless to me...I am not sure who of us two is having more headaches after a conversation, maybe me because having to listen to his plot developments is like eating a raw waffle out of the blender. In-between having to save the galaxy thrice, he neither seems to change in any other way than using more hairgel... Without further delay, here are my conclusions :
Shot through the hearth~ Ashley Williams !
I'm nuclear, I'm wild~ Kaidan Alenko !
You are DEAD, everybody say YOU ARE DEAD~ Wrex !
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Post by Raga on Jan 19, 2017 12:15:43 GMT
I always save whoever is with the salarians because I am saving more lives that way. And I usually leave Kaidan with the bomb because he's the one with technical expertise and because I think Ashley is more interesting.
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Post by Xesthan on Jan 19, 2017 23:37:18 GMT
I didn't care for Kaiden at all the first time so that's why I had him die. Then, I decided to saved Ashley because I was doing a playthrough of the trilogy where I made different decisions. I decided to switch back and forth for every playthrough, so that's why I saved Kaiden again in my current playthrough. I'm going to romance Ashley in my 4th playthrough.
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Post by CosmicGnosis on Jan 27, 2017 4:51:15 GMT
Remind me: How does Ashley develop as a character in ME3?
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