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Post by phoray on Oct 29, 2017 13:42:51 GMT
@curious Thanks. That seems like a vital information to exclude. phoray Ah gocha - those were pretty much my thoughts. This makes it sounds like a glorified side quest. It's strange how something so important to the story wouldn't be included in the main story line, but I guess they're trying to present it as a separate game to make money from it. Another question though, is it like the Awakening or those other short spin offs like Leli Song and Witch Hunt? Hmmmm. It's not an epilogue expansion like Awakening. It's like a couple hours long mission that happens in any act you want it too during DA2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 14:29:21 GMT
@curious and phoray I see. Thanks for explaining. DLC sounds more like a book chapter than a separate book. What I meant was, when it comes to the Awakening, it's structured with a set of new companions that have influence in Inq, not just one, and it follows like other main DA games one central plot line that's surrounded by side quests. It has a lot more hours of game play. The way I perceive it, Awakening is more like a separate book. Whereas, Witch Hunt is more like a last chapter of the Origins book. When I got Origins, I received an entire package that included Awakening and all those other shorter pieces like Leli Song. However, I wouldn't have minded buying Awakening if it was presented as a separate game. Whereas, I would have been annoyed if I had to hunt individually for Witch Hunt and all those other pieces. It's like buying another book vs buying a chapter for a book which you have already bought. So, with DA2 it's like I bought a book, but it has several chapters cut out of it with the scissors.
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Post by fylimar on Oct 29, 2017 14:37:37 GMT
@curious and phoray I see. Thanks for explaining. DLC sounds more like a book chapter than a separate book. What I meant was, when it comes to the Awakening, it's structured with a set of new companions that have influence in Inq, not just one, and it follows like other main DA games one central plot line that's surrounded by side quests. It has a lot more hours of game play. The way I perceive it, Awakening is more like a separate book. Whereas, Witch Hunt is more like a last chapter of the Origins book. When I got Origins, I received an entire package that included Awakening and all those other shorter pieces like Leli Song. However, I wouldn't have minded buying Awakening if it was presented as a separate game. Whereas, I would have been annoyed if I had to hunt individually for Witch Hunt and all those other pieces. It's like buying another book vs buying a chapter for a book which you have already bought. So, with DA2 it's like I bought a book, but it has several chapters cut out of it with the scissors. Yes, it is more like a chapter in a book. A very important chapter though.
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Post by phoray on Oct 29, 2017 14:40:46 GMT
@curious and phoray I see. Thanks for explaining. DLC sounds more like a book chapter than a separate book. What I meant was, when it comes to the Awakening, it's structured with a set of new companions that have influence in Inq, not just one, and it follows like other main DA games one central plot line that's surrounded by side quests. It has a lot more hours of game play. The way I perceive it, Awakening is more like a separate book. Whereas, Witch Hunt is more like a last chapter of the Origins book. When I got Origins, I received an entire package that included Awakening and all those other shorter pieces like Leli Song. However, I wouldn't have minded buying Awakening if it was presented as a separate game. Whereas, I would have been annoyed if I had to hunt individually for Witch Hunt and all those other pieces. It's like buying another book vs buying a chapter for a book which you have already bought. So, with DA2 it's like I bought a book, but it has several chapters cut out of it with the scissors. That game had super rushed Development. Like 18 months. I'm sure Bioware had intended Sebastion and the other two DLC to actually be part of base game, but EA was like, "Out the door with you!" So it was get those parts of the story as DLC or not at all. It's just unfortunate that the narrative of DAI (Hawke and Varric feeling guilt about red lyrium and Cory) making sense depends on that DLC having been played. Well, I mean, I guess It was more like a ?? what?? moment then game breaking, but still.
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Post by phoray on Oct 29, 2017 14:41:28 GMT
adonniel but considering how much I love DA2, man, aren't you IMPRESSED at what they did in 18 months? Cuz I am.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 29, 2017 14:50:05 GMT
@curious and phoray I see. Thanks for explaining. DLC sounds more like a book chapter than a separate book. What I meant was, when it comes to the Awakening, it's structured with a set of new companions that have influence in Inq, not just one, and it follows like other main DA games one central plot line that's surrounded by side quests. It has a lot more hours of game play. The way I perceive it, Awakening is more like a separate book. Whereas, Witch Hunt is more like a last chapter of the Origins book. When I got Origins, I received an entire package that included Awakening and all those other shorter pieces like Leli Song. However, I wouldn't have minded buying Awakening if it was presented as a separate game. Whereas, I would have been annoyed if I had to hunt individually for Witch Hunt and all those other pieces. It's like buying another book vs buying a chapter for a book which you have already bought. So, with DA2 it's like I bought a book, but it has several chapters cut out of it with the scissors. Exactly. Sebastian also a good part of the game (true, perhaps not so important than the Legacy). Its a shame, this is a dlc. Hawke was planned as the Inquisitor first, later they changed their minds because of the negative responses. The MotA is skippable but too fun to skip...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 15:04:28 GMT
phoray I'm very impressed with such a short development. If you rate one game 10/10 and then you rate another game 8/10 that doesn't mean you think the other game is bad, you just like the first one more. DA2 has a unique atmosphere. There is that charm of not being responsible, not being able to put a whole world on your shoulders. For example that choice of siding with Templars and Mages seems like OMG OMG brain explode - but in the world context it doesn't matter which side you choose - the country gets wracked by rebellion and uprising either way because what's been brewing for hundreds of years and came to a boiling point is outside your control. I don't even mind that they've made this very important chapter separate, but I feel like it's betrayal of the game to just abandon it. Because Witch Hunt is also separate, but they've created a compiled version for Origins and they put them all together into one package. I think it would have been fair to do with DA2. It's annoying that one book chapter costs more than a whole book and you need to use imaginary currency to purchase it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 15:23:28 GMT
The Legacy is very important DLC. This is Hawke's reason to coming to the Inquisition because s/he knows Corypheus.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 15:44:03 GMT
Anyway, we need less wine and more cheese. Day 57: Noob Inquisitor Log - An unfriendly note of advice to evil overlords and their lackeys. Don't leave talking rocks behind to reveal your secrets to others, including your inner squabbles. Shaaame if someone were to take advantage of it. - When someone, handsomeness manifested whom you cannot peel your eyeballs off, in a mysterious voice requests your presence, I wholeheartedly support the illogical course of action in following them wherever they want as that may lead to snoggums on the pond docks. - After the above mentioned mysterious meeting, wandered around the pond hugging frogs with a goofy grin on my face. There's either a pretty coin in my pocket or a fragment of someone's soul. - Well... whom haven't I met on the map yet? Lunatics check, fanatics check... there had to be rebels who believe in writing notes professing nefarious designs. Apparently some people don't feel important unless they try kicking me in the shin. Approval meter: + 66 warm p.s. Would anyone like to play a forum game? I don't fancy self-promotion, but it feels like such faaaail that a thread I start is such a crash and buurn before it evens begins, so I have to ask once. Trouble at Skyhold
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Post by fylimar on Oct 29, 2017 17:15:14 GMT
I should take Cassandra and Cole more often in the same party with me. They have really cute banter. I love the one, where Cole tells Cass, that she would never have done, what Clarel had done, because Clarel is weak and Cass isn't. And when Cass asked him, if he found out some hidden fears in Erimond as well, he simply answered 'No, he is just an asshole' - so precious. And the one, where he found the locket with a picture of Cassandras brother and is so embarassed by how grateful Cass is, that he tries to downsize the rat, he had to battle for the locket Inara Trevelyan is still clearing out the Emerald Graves. She managed to destroy the Freemans strongholds, which will make Fairbanks very happy and now she is trying to stop a smugglers network for red lyrium for her boyfriend Cullen I love that map so much - the environment is among the most beautiful for me in that game, together with the Stormcoast
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Post by Catilina on Oct 29, 2017 17:18:31 GMT
Ralph Hawke (Background) All That Remains It's hard to start. Three weeks, but nightmares do not disappear. Drunken visions, whispering in silence. Mom's dead eyes. Fenris's cold, lifeless hand wakes me up, I open my eyes and look at him... Anders smiling at me: "Do you know, what the strongest force in the universe is? Love", his mouth's sewn. Quentin whispers, "I love you. You always made me so proud." Mother stands beside him, in white dimness. Her hand on his shoulder. Smiles. Enough! Time to sober up! ___ Before that the Carta dwarves broke into the castle, we went to the DuPuis house. The house was full of shades, and we found some evidence (Aveline, your guards...!), and Meredith's apologetic letter. Pathetic. We also found Du'Puis, with a woman. He said, he supposed this woman in trouble, he needs her blood for track her, if she's in danger. It's suspicious, but I know the spell, so probably he does not lie, nevertheless, I'm sure, he knows more. He said, he will help me in the investigation, I can find him in the Lowtown. I feel, it worth a try. Back to Emeric. But Emeric was not at Gallows, disappeared. Poor man, his possible death probably enough proof to the Templars, that his theory's not a delusion. Anyway, I did not say anything about my discovery. Better to continue the investigation without these idiots. So for a while, I did not have time to deal with this issue and seems nobody cares about it. A few weeks later Gamlen visited me. He was nervous. He said Mother did not visit him at the usual time. He was worried about it. I didn't wonder so much, Gamlen's a grumpy bastard, but somehow Mother insists him. Bodahn suggested, she probably meets with her suitor, who sent these white lilies. What?! Emeric spoke about white lilies... Go, to DuPuis, until it not too late! Let's show me, what you know! Gascard duPuis helped, as he promised, I hope, isn't too late! Mother's amulet! And an altar. With her portrait?! What the hell is this?! I feel more and more, it's too late. That smell! Finally we found the murderer. Totally mad. Said, Mother was waiting for me... And Gascard, that bastard, knows him. He was his mentor. Quentin –as he called the madman–, offered to DuPuis, he can be his apprentice again. Turn against me, little shit, and I'll kill you! Gascard stayed with me. Good boy! We'll return to this topic later, just get my mother back! “Do you know, what the strongest force in the universe is? Love.” The madman says. With crazy adoration in his eyes turned to a lifeless body, and gently touched its face. The corpse stood up and walked slowly toward us. It was wearing a wedding dress. Mother?! I killed the monster. I went to my mother and hugged her cold body. "I can't do anything for her. His magic kept her alive." Anders said. "I love you. You always made me so proud.", I heard. Mother dead eyes looked at me. She smiled when finally found her peace in the death. At home, Gamlen was already waiting for me. I told him what had happened. He blamed me, and the magic. Anders was with me and didn't blame me for anything. He remained to me. He's my family. ___ Since then I have not seen Gascard duPuis. I don't give a shit. His death wouldn't bring my Mother back. The nightmares will disappear over time, I know... I hope.
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Post by phoray on Oct 29, 2017 18:04:10 GMT
Anyway, we need less wine and more cheese. Day 57: Noob Inquisitor Log p.s. Would anyone like to play a forum game? I don't fancy self-promotion, but it feels like such faaaail that a thread I start is such a crash and buurn before it evens begins, so I have to ask once. Trouble at SkyholdI know that goofy grin! But also, I am already in 5 writing projects or I would join.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 18:25:01 GMT
Anyway, we need less wine and more cheese. Day 57: Noob Inquisitor Log p.s. Would anyone like to play a forum game? I don't fancy self-promotion, but it feels like such faaaail that a thread I start is such a crash and buurn before it evens begins, so I have to ask once. Trouble at SkyholdI know that goofy grin! But also, I am already in 5 writing projects or I would join. Ahhh the joy of the goofy grin where you don't feel the pain of walking into random objects in a happy daze. You won't be the one doing the writing, unless you really want to. That would be the game master's job. You will be doing all the figuring out part about the culprit (unless you are the culprit then you will spread the fog of confusion all around mwuhaha). When you're given a role in this game, you're not writing/role playing this role. It's more that each role has a special ability and you're trying to apply that special ability in the most useful way for your team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 19:01:48 GMT
I am absolutely stunned, because I came home from grocery shopping and my excited offspring is yelling for me: Mom! I finished the maze!
And, yes, she did. No walk through, no nothing, told me she loved the section the most, and wished she could keep the forms. She loved the Mouse and Spirit the most. Also, apparently, it was too easy with forms. Told her she can increase the difficulty but she was not enthusiastic about it with companions.
Then she went on an killed Wynne... not sure how. Apparently she told her she’d kill blood mages. She did not Annul the tower. I dunno, I never saw that path. But I had to backseat drive her through the last battle there because she immediately lost Alistair. We’ve managed between Leliana, her warrior and all the potions she had on her (not that many).
So, next she wanted to visit the Dwarves, got Zevran, and to my surprise she kicked Leliana from the group with a steady hand to check out what Zevran can do in a fight. Apparently she really liked stealth on the Mouse form.
Then she got into another conversation with Morrigan, lost another 30 points of affection for just asking Morrigan why she is staying and if she likes it...
...and told me she’s gonna go check out Mage’s Origin. Apparently, Wynne’s group heal had impressed her, and she’s getting fed up with high maintenance mages in the game. Lol. I need to see if there is a way to get Spirit healing spec on blessed Morrigan with Wynne dead... but yeah, if Morrigan ups and leaves, it would suck much. Wish they had Anders in the base game....
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Post by melbella on Oct 29, 2017 19:43:54 GMT
...and told me she’s gonna go check out Mage’s Origin. Apparently, Wynne’s group heal had impressed her, and she’s getting fed up with high maintenance mages in the game. Lol. I need to see if there is a way to get Spirit healing spec on blessed Morrigan with Wynne dead... but yeah, if Morrigan ups and leaves, it would suck much. Wish they had Anders in the base game....
If she is playing on your account and the spec is already unlocked from another PT, it will be available. If it's a new account and first PT, then no, but there might be a book to buy for it instead.
Note: I played my last game with no mages in my party. I was an archer, used Alistair, Dog, and Shale (and Oghren when he became available, then Loghain for Al after the Landsmeet) for the entire game. The camp was really lonely with no Leliana, Wynne, Morrigan, Zevran, or Sten, but they all survived the Blight, so mission accomplished.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Oct 29, 2017 20:32:54 GMT
...and told me she’s gonna go check out Mage’s Origin. Apparently, Wynne’s group heal had impressed her, and she’s getting fed up with high maintenance mages in the game. Lol. I need to see if there is a way to get Spirit healing spec on blessed Morrigan with Wynne dead... but yeah, if Morrigan ups and leaves, it would suck much. Wish they had Anders in the base game....
If she is playing on your account and the spec is already unlocked from another PT, it will be available. If it's a new account and first PT, then no, but there might be a book to buy for it instead.
Note: I played my last game with no mages in my party. I was an archer, used Alistair, Dog, and Shale (and Oghren when he became available, then Loghain for Al after the Landsmeet) for the entire game. The camp was really lonely with no Leliana, Wynne, Morrigan, Zevran, or Sten, but they all survived the Blight, so mission accomplished.
My gosh, I can't bear to lose anyone, even if I can't stand them, so I have never had an empty camp, castle, mansion, etc. No one dies in my game, no one gets kicked out...just call my PC a wimp, because everybody gets to stay.
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Post by phoray on Oct 29, 2017 20:55:42 GMT
If she is playing on your account and the spec is already unlocked from another PT, it will be available. If it's a new account and first PT, then no, but there might be a book to buy for it instead.
Note: I played my last game with no mages in my party. I was an archer, used Alistair, Dog, and Shale (and Oghren when he became available, then Loghain for Al after the Landsmeet) for the entire game. The camp was really lonely with no Leliana, Wynne, Morrigan, Zevran, or Sten, but they all survived the Blight, so mission accomplished.
My gosh, I can't bear to lose anyone, even if I can't stand them, so I have never had an empty camp, castle, mansion, etc. No one dies in my game, no one gets kicked out...just call my PC a wimp, because everybody gets to stay. I killed Zevran my last Origin Game. IT was pretty sad. He only had 4 copper in his pocket. Can you believe it? That made it even more tragic.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Oct 29, 2017 21:07:25 GMT
My gosh, I can't bear to lose anyone, even if I can't stand them, so I have never had an empty camp, castle, mansion, etc. No one dies in my game, no one gets kicked out...just call my PC a wimp, because everybody gets to stay. I killed Zevran my last Origin Game. IT was pretty sad. He only had 4 copper in his pocket. Can you believe it? That made it even more tragic. I have the mod to get Zevran early and then he's never out of my party. How dare you kill him (despite him being a murdering assassin...my morals go out the window with Zevran and Anders).
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Post by Catilina on Oct 29, 2017 21:10:18 GMT
My gosh, I can't bear to lose anyone, even if I can't stand them, so I have never had an empty camp, castle, mansion, etc. No one dies in my game, no one gets kicked out...just call my PC a wimp, because everybody gets to stay. I killed Zevran my last Origin Game. IT was pretty sad. He only had 4 copper in his pocket. Can you believe it? That made it even more tragic. Did you kill him for his money? By the way, Anders has some loot? Worth to kill him?
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Post by phoray on Oct 29, 2017 22:22:34 GMT
I killed Zevran my last Origin Game. IT was pretty sad. He only had 4 copper in his pocket. Can you believe it? That made it even more tragic. I have the mod to get Zevran early and then he's never out of my party. How dare you kill him (despite him being a murdering assassin...my morals go out the window with Zevran and Anders). I usually find a "Rule to live by" for repeat play throughs. I gave my casteless dwarf the rule, "kill people who try to kill you" not realizing a good chunk of the way in that that rule would mean murdering Zev. Mercifully, he was unconscious. I was kinda shocked you could loot his corpse. I killed Zevran my last Origin Game. IT was pretty sad. He only had 4 copper in his pocket. Can you believe it? That made it even more tragic. Did you kill him for his money? By the way, Anders has some loot? Worth to kill him? I don't think Anders leaves behind a lootable body.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 29, 2017 22:32:13 GMT
I have the mod to get Zevran early and then he's never out of my party. How dare you kill him (despite him being a murdering assassin...my morals go out the window with Zevran and Anders). I usually find a "Rule to live by" for repeat play throughs. I gave my casteless dwarf the rule, "kill people who try to kill you" not realizing a good chunk of the way in that that rule would mean murdering Zev. Mercifully, he was unconscious. I was kinda shocked you could loot his corpse. Did you kill him for his money? By the way, Anders has some loot? Worth to kill him? I don't think Anders leaves behind a lootable body. Did Justice keep it, to remember the good old days?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 22:45:06 GMT
...and told me she’s gonna go check out Mage’s Origin. Apparently, Wynne’s group heal had impressed her, and she’s getting fed up with high maintenance mages in the game. Lol. I need to see if there is a way to get Spirit healing spec on blessed Morrigan with Wynne dead... but yeah, if Morrigan ups and leaves, it would suck much. Wish they had Anders in the base game....
If she is playing on your account and the spec is already unlocked from another PT, it will be available. If it's a new account and first PT, then no, but there might be a book to buy for it instead.
Note: I played my last game with no mages in my party. I was an archer, used Alistair, Dog, and Shale (and Oghren when he became available, then Loghain for Al after the Landsmeet) for the entire game. The camp was really lonely with no Leliana, Wynne, Morrigan, Zevran, or Sten, but they all survived the Blight, so mission accomplished.
Thank you so much! She is on my account (don’t tell BioWare, lol) so I guess then Morrigan will be able to spec into it on level 14? Sweet! Regarding the convo about killing, I actually prefer to not take everyone in each game. My unfinished Origins run, I was playing a rogue, so Zevran got killed, and I let Morrigan go the second I can, I don’t care what I play. Do you guys know of the Dog has a nightmare if you took it into the Mage’s tower and what is it? My daughter wants to know. She did start a Mage, and called her Doughnut. Her third character will be called Sushi. I am wondering what she’d call the Dog for those characters... or do I even want to know.
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Post by phoray on Oct 30, 2017 1:30:35 GMT
If she is playing on your account and the spec is already unlocked from another PT, it will be available. If it's a new account and first PT, then no, but there might be a book to buy for it instead.
Note: I played my last game with no mages in my party. I was an archer, used Alistair, Dog, and Shale (and Oghren when he became available, then Loghain for Al after the Landsmeet) for the entire game. The camp was really lonely with no Leliana, Wynne, Morrigan, Zevran, or Sten, but they all survived the Blight, so mission accomplished.
Thank you so much! She is on my account (don’t tell BioWare, lol) so I guess then Morrigan will be able to spec into it on level 14? Sweet! Regarding the convo about killing, I actually prefer to not take everyone in each game. My unfinished Origins run, I was playing a rogue, so Zevran got killed, and I let Morrigan go the second I can, I don’t care what I play. Do you guys know of the Dog has a nightmare if you took it into the Mage’s tower and what is it? My daughter wants to know. She did start a Mage, and called her Doughnut. Her third character will be called Sushi. I am wondering what she’d call the Dog for those characters... or do I even want to know. Dog is just sitting there bored in the Fade. Happy to see you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 2:54:31 GMT
Thank you so much! She is on my account (don’t tell BioWare, lol) so I guess then Morrigan will be able to spec into it on level 14? Sweet! Regarding the convo about killing, I actually prefer to not take everyone in each game. My unfinished Origins run, I was playing a rogue, so Zevran got killed, and I let Morrigan go the second I can, I don’t care what I play. Do you guys know of the Dog has a nightmare if you took it into the Mage’s tower and what is it? My daughter wants to know. She did start a Mage, and called her Doughnut. Her third character will be called Sushi. I am wondering what she’d call the Dog for those characters... or do I even want to know. Dog is just sitting there bored in the Fade. Happy to see you. Cool! I will let her know!
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Post by cmoe on Oct 30, 2017 9:32:59 GMT
I started playing DAI and then switched to create another sarcastic mage Hawke. Why I do not know. Just love creating them... Now I have 4 unfinished DA2 PTs. Kassie Hawke ran with her family to escape the darkspawn and had some witchy dragon lady save her family after losing her sis Bethany... Made it to Kirkwall only to find out the Amell's have no money... dang that uncle... So Kassie and Carver worked for a year to pay their way into Kirkwall... One year later.... She is trying to save up enough coin to join Bartrand's expedition... and she is looking for a warden... She needs a map, because apparently this expedition was not well planned out... Love this line! Easy there buddy, just want a map... Before switching to DA2, Mahanon ran around the Hinterlands while Varric just played with fire...
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